LMP2 Mazda Update?
04-01-2007, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
they should have develop a 4 rotor 
04-01-2007, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Senna
Looks like the entire season will be for testing and working out the kinks. Save myself the disappointment and not expect any real racing.
If you were just a casual observer you wouldn't even know Mazda was there!!!
At least they didn't put the car in the wall. The last thing they need is to be fixing the car while trying to get everything else sorted out.
If you were just a casual observer you wouldn't even know Mazda was there!!!
At least they didn't put the car in the wall. The last thing they need is to be fixing the car while trying to get everything else sorted out.
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04-01-2007, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
Well, the casual observers would've seen the Mazda sitting on track... stationary!! that caused a full course yellow when some great racing was happening.
04-01-2007, 09:46 PM
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04-01-2007, 10:08 PM
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With this performance I can only think of the rest as testing as it seems they are getting very little testing in as well. I won't count an official effort until next year. Though for now, lets home they can get that reliability sorted and finish some races.
With this performance I can only think of the rest as testing as it seems they are getting very little testing in as well. I won't count an official effort until next year. Though for now, lets home they can get that reliability sorted and finish some races.
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Man, rough crowd you guys are. :D
What do you guys think it takes to develop a prototype race car?
How many times do you think the Acura was on track before its first race, likewise the Porsche or the Audi?
How much many years do you think the R10 was in development before it took the track for the first time?
The Mazda has now been on track how many times?
You realize it hasnt been back to its own shop yet, nor will it for two more races. That doesnt exactly help when sorting out a brand new car.
I stood in the pit lane watching AER trying t get the car running during one of the sessions, changing plugs and coils and working on their laptops. That cost the team significant testing time on a track that the car, or one like it, has never run on. When you lose that kind of time, you lose a serious chance to get on the right track.
So far it seems like many of the issues have not been in Mazda's hands, but have been engine related.
I guarantee you that the Mazda was not lost in the shuffle. In the first part of the race I watched it hanging very well with cars such as Intersport's Creation (going through the same teething issues) and a Dyson Porsche Spyder. The car was showing well.
And realistically, what is worse? Showing real speed and actually contending for positions, only to have some teething issues, or being completely uncompetitive only to cross the line so far out of the lead its not funny? Personally, I'd rather see them in the current position than last years.
What do you guys think it takes to develop a prototype race car?
How many times do you think the Acura was on track before its first race, likewise the Porsche or the Audi?
How much many years do you think the R10 was in development before it took the track for the first time?
The Mazda has now been on track how many times?
You realize it hasnt been back to its own shop yet, nor will it for two more races. That doesnt exactly help when sorting out a brand new car.
I stood in the pit lane watching AER trying t get the car running during one of the sessions, changing plugs and coils and working on their laptops. That cost the team significant testing time on a track that the car, or one like it, has never run on. When you lose that kind of time, you lose a serious chance to get on the right track.
So far it seems like many of the issues have not been in Mazda's hands, but have been engine related.
I guarantee you that the Mazda was not lost in the shuffle. In the first part of the race I watched it hanging very well with cars such as Intersport's Creation (going through the same teething issues) and a Dyson Porsche Spyder. The car was showing well.
And realistically, what is worse? Showing real speed and actually contending for positions, only to have some teething issues, or being completely uncompetitive only to cross the line so far out of the lead its not funny? Personally, I'd rather see them in the current position than last years.
04-01-2007, 10:37 PM
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I think my post says it all or is misread. I see the great effort and the speed they got. I just wish they could get more testing in before races to sort or spot any issues. With being a new car I expect them to have issues. I still root for the little Mazda but I wont expect anything until they can get more time on the track and with the car.
04-02-2007, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
Man, rough crowd you guys are. :D
What do you guys think it takes to develop a prototype race car?
How many times do you think the Acura was on track before its first race, likewise the Porsche or the Audi?
How much many years do you think the R10 was in development before it took the track for the first time?
The Mazda has now been on track how many times?
You realize it hasnt been back to its own shop yet, nor will it for two more races. That doesnt exactly help when sorting out a brand new car.
I stood in the pit lane watching AER trying t get the car running during one of the sessions, changing plugs and coils and working on their laptops. That cost the team significant testing time on a track that the car, or one like it, has never run on. When you lose that kind of time, you lose a serious chance to get on the right track.
So far it seems like many of the issues have not been in Mazda's hands, but have been engine related.
I guarantee you that the Mazda was not lost in the shuffle. In the first part of the race I watched it hanging very well with cars such as Intersport's Creation (going through the same teething issues) and a Dyson Porsche Spyder. The car was showing well.
And realistically, what is worse? Showing real speed and actually contending for positions, only to have some teething issues, or being completely uncompetitive only to cross the line so far out of the lead its not funny? Personally, I'd rather see them in the current position than last years.
What do you guys think it takes to develop a prototype race car?
How many times do you think the Acura was on track before its first race, likewise the Porsche or the Audi?
How much many years do you think the R10 was in development before it took the track for the first time?
The Mazda has now been on track how many times?
You realize it hasnt been back to its own shop yet, nor will it for two more races. That doesnt exactly help when sorting out a brand new car.
I stood in the pit lane watching AER trying t get the car running during one of the sessions, changing plugs and coils and working on their laptops. That cost the team significant testing time on a track that the car, or one like it, has never run on. When you lose that kind of time, you lose a serious chance to get on the right track.
So far it seems like many of the issues have not been in Mazda's hands, but have been engine related.
I guarantee you that the Mazda was not lost in the shuffle. In the first part of the race I watched it hanging very well with cars such as Intersport's Creation (going through the same teething issues) and a Dyson Porsche Spyder. The car was showing well.
And realistically, what is worse? Showing real speed and actually contending for positions, only to have some teething issues, or being completely uncompetitive only to cross the line so far out of the lead its not funny? Personally, I'd rather see them in the current position than last years.
some of us here are race car drivers and team owners, we know the effort that has to go to get one going, not to mention a proyect of this magnitud
what I dont apreciate is BK motorsport doing testing in a race, getting DNF's in public is not good PR for mazda, no matter how much work they put in, and how many excuses the anouncer make and how many times they say its a new car, to any of the expectators there and on tv, the mazda lasted 30 minutes in a 2 hour race, that is a real bad showing
so you rather the car is fast bud dont finish the race, I allways though that in racing you have to finish firts to try and win second? the 20b courage was half way there
My personal opinion its that they should stop embarassing the mazda fans an themself and get some development time before the next race they compete in, get the car to the garage and test the **** out of it, than you can go racing
at least the courage dint get so much DNF's in its firts season, damn I think the rotary equiped car dint have more than 3 DNF in 3 years due to mechanical problems
dont get me rwong I dont think the 20b packege would be competitive in this season unless some mayor RD an inovations are done, but I really dont like the Lola /AER packege, intersport race it last year and they dint do that well, I would have like more an NA engine
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04-02-2007, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
Man, rough crowd you guys are. :D
What do you guys think it takes to develop a prototype race car?
How many times do you think the Acura was on track before its first race, likewise the Porsche or the Audi?
How much many years do you think the R10 was in development before it took the track for the first time?
The Mazda has now been on track how many times?
You realize it hasnt been back to its own shop yet, nor will it for two more races. That doesnt exactly help when sorting out a brand new car.
I stood in the pit lane watching AER trying t get the car running during one of the sessions, changing plugs and coils and working on their laptops. That cost the team significant testing time on a track that the car, or one like it, has never run on. When you lose that kind of time, you lose a serious chance to get on the right track.
So far it seems like many of the issues have not been in Mazda's hands, but have been engine related.
I guarantee you that the Mazda was not lost in the shuffle. In the first part of the race I watched it hanging very well with cars such as Intersport's Creation (going through the same teething issues) and a Dyson Porsche Spyder. The car was showing well.
And realistically, what is worse? Showing real speed and actually contending for positions, only to have some teething issues, or being completely uncompetitive only to cross the line so far out of the lead its not funny? Personally, I'd rather see them in the current position than last years.
What do you guys think it takes to develop a prototype race car?
How many times do you think the Acura was on track before its first race, likewise the Porsche or the Audi?
How much many years do you think the R10 was in development before it took the track for the first time?
The Mazda has now been on track how many times?
You realize it hasnt been back to its own shop yet, nor will it for two more races. That doesnt exactly help when sorting out a brand new car.
I stood in the pit lane watching AER trying t get the car running during one of the sessions, changing plugs and coils and working on their laptops. That cost the team significant testing time on a track that the car, or one like it, has never run on. When you lose that kind of time, you lose a serious chance to get on the right track.
So far it seems like many of the issues have not been in Mazda's hands, but have been engine related.
I guarantee you that the Mazda was not lost in the shuffle. In the first part of the race I watched it hanging very well with cars such as Intersport's Creation (going through the same teething issues) and a Dyson Porsche Spyder. The car was showing well.
And realistically, what is worse? Showing real speed and actually contending for positions, only to have some teething issues, or being completely uncompetitive only to cross the line so far out of the lead its not funny? Personally, I'd rather see them in the current position than last years.
04-02-2007, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
I've actually been much nicer lately. Most of my aggression was after the announcement of a piston engine. I'm pretty much over it now. I'm excited to see the new car in Houston later this month. I do wish it were still a rotary but now I just want to see them kick Porsche's ***. They've done it before. I too wish they had more development time before they went racing but it's not like this car will only last 1 season. They'll get it together. I really want to see the direct injection system put into use.
This is how most of us feel, the thing is that the way it should be is test, fix all your problems then race, not the other way around
04-02-2007, 01:38 PM
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Normally I would completely agree, but the only chance I'll get to cheer them on is in Houston, so they're welcome to have another 3 hour live testing session for me. :D
If only Autocon would hurry up and get their rumored new creation/judd for Houston as well. But sadly it appears they're waiting for Utah to debut that car...
If only Autocon would hurry up and get their rumored new creation/judd for Houston as well. But sadly it appears they're waiting for Utah to debut that car...
04-02-2007, 01:46 PM
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see Autocon compete with the Creation car. The creation LMP1, ran by the creation team last year was pretty fast! It seems Intersport is struggling to get the setup just right. I hope these two teams will get competitive and battle it out with the Audis.
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04-02-2007, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AggieLuke
Normally I would completely agree, but the only chance I'll get to cheer them on is in Houston, so they're welcome to have another 3 hour live testing session for me. :D
If only Autocon would hurry up and get their rumored new creation/judd for Houston as well. But sadly it appears they're waiting for Utah to debut that car...
If only Autocon would hurry up and get their rumored new creation/judd for Houston as well. But sadly it appears they're waiting for Utah to debut that car...
04-02-2007, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see Autocon compete with the Creation car. The creation LMP1, ran by the creation team last year was pretty fast! It seems Intersport is struggling to get the setup just right. I hope these two teams will get competitive and battle it out with the Audis.
To get this back on topic, how long did Mazda make it at Sebring before having to come in for major repairs the first time? They did have a stint longer than 2 hours and 45 minutes, right? That's all we're looking for in H-town, baby!
04-02-2007, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AggieLuke
Based on Intersport's past success I tend to agree with most that they're being held back by the Kumhos. As this is Kumho's first P1 swim, I'm sure they'll get the compounds figured out as the season progresses. (Notice I give the previously successful team the benefit of the doubt, while we're all hesitant to do the same for BK...) As for Autocon, I hope they go with Michelins as they'll need all the help they can get to just run with the Acuras and Porsches. No slight against them but they are a true privateer effort that's there mainly for fun.
To get this back on topic, how long did Mazda make it at Sebring before having to come in for major repairs the first time? They did have a stint longer than 2 hours and 45 minutes, right? That's all we're looking for in H-town, baby!
To get this back on topic, how long did Mazda make it at Sebring before having to come in for major repairs the first time? They did have a stint longer than 2 hours and 45 minutes, right? That's all we're looking for in H-town, baby!
I wont give them the benefit of the doubt untill they have a top 5 finish
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04-02-2007, 04:56 PM
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No doubt. I was saying that maybe when (if) BK gets a couple strong finishes under their belt, the forum as a whole might lay off 'em a little bit. So far I haven't seen much personally, but those more informed than I seem to think they're (we're) heading in the right direction...
04-02-2007, 05:19 PM
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It looks like they are. These are just teething problems. The car seems to be quite quick and the engine strong. Once all the bugs get worked out we should see them get better. Even if it all works good, they still have some very strong competition. Last year the penske Porsches were the cars to be and now after 2 races both they and Acura have 1 win apiece so there is definitely a fight ahead.
04-03-2007, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
This is how most of us feel, the thing is that the way it should be is test, fix all your problems then race, not the other way around
It may be that once they get a couple more races under their belt and work out the minor nags they'll run the second half of the season pretty well.
I still don't like outsourcing the powerplant. I think one of the reasons Acura has done well so far is they're doing it in house. I'm not downing AER either.
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Actually, if there is a kink in the armor right now its AER. They had software issues this past weekend that kept them out of a significant amount of practice time and the eventually went out with an electrical problem in the engine. These are the kinds of things that are more on the AER team as opposed to the BK team.
I just hope that this project doesnt become like the Dyson Lola's where they were constantly having issues with their AER powerplants. I hope AER can get it together for Mazda.
As for the Intersport car, I think they are struggling much more with a car that isnt designed for bumpy and less than smooth courses than they are with the Kumhos.
There is a reason that Creation never ran Sebring, its because they knew they car would be utter crap on a course like that. The car was built around the smooth European tracks and around the Michelin tires. Now Intersport is trying to shake down a new car and new tires on tracks that are crap compared to their Euro counterparts. And now they move on to two more street courses before finally getting a real road course. They are going to keep struggling, and I dont think its as much the tires fault as the car. But I bet they start to really come into their own once we hit tracks such as Utah and Mid O.
I just hope that this project doesnt become like the Dyson Lola's where they were constantly having issues with their AER powerplants. I hope AER can get it together for Mazda.
As for the Intersport car, I think they are struggling much more with a car that isnt designed for bumpy and less than smooth courses than they are with the Kumhos.
There is a reason that Creation never ran Sebring, its because they knew they car would be utter crap on a course like that. The car was built around the smooth European tracks and around the Michelin tires. Now Intersport is trying to shake down a new car and new tires on tracks that are crap compared to their Euro counterparts. And now they move on to two more street courses before finally getting a real road course. They are going to keep struggling, and I dont think its as much the tires fault as the car. But I bet they start to really come into their own once we hit tracks such as Utah and Mid O.
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Well here is a good look at our favorite pariah. (Not condescending merely labeling the object of our attention for the moment.)
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The rotary is really gone from the engine bay... =/
I hope the AER/BK guys will figure it out in time for the next race
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04-05-2007, 12:57 AM
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I know a lot of power can be had with a boosted I4 and it appears Mazda wants to hang their hat on it in their street goers and in this thing. I'm not convinced it's the route to go for the long haul road or track. Thoughts....???