LMP2 Mazda Update?
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I wish the amount of money that was spent on this years car was spent originally on the first attempt. The Racecar Engineering article even mentions that they could have had everything worked out properly but it would have taken about another 6 months or so. So what!!! I'd rather be the latecomer who does good than the guy to get there on time who never does good year after year and design change after design change. Do it right the first time no matter how long it takes or do it over again and take even more time. Not to mention the public embarassment. I'm quite frankly shocked that they still have ANY sponsors.
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I wish the amount of money that was spent on this years car was spent originally on the first attempt. The Racecar Engineering article even mentions that they could have had everything worked out properly but it would have taken about another 6 months or so. So what!!! I'd rather be the latecomer who does good than the guy to get there on time who never does good year after year and design change after design change. Do it right the first time no matter how long it takes or do it over again and take even more time. Not to mention the public embarassment. I'm quite frankly shocked that they still have ANY sponsors.
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They had ANOTHER turbo failure. The sad part is that they have been working directly with Garrett/Honeywell on the turbo design. I'd be pissed at those guys right now. The Courage never had a single turbo failure!
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I dont see how mazda is going to continue with this team, I dont think we are going to see a mazda prototype for next season
I think a chassis like the lola with a 20b in it, done properly would be a contender, with the amounts of money spend on this car they could by now have a DI 3 spark per rotor 20b, with variable length intakes, and better cooling, all the things that need to be develop for the next rotary car, after all thats what racing is for, to develop the technologys that you would latter use in the road cars
I think a chassis like the lola with a 20b in it, done properly would be a contender, with the amounts of money spend on this car they could by now have a DI 3 spark per rotor 20b, with variable length intakes, and better cooling, all the things that need to be develop for the next rotary car, after all thats what racing is for, to develop the technologys that you would latter use in the road cars
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Well, at this point it would be a better idea for Mazda to throw more of their backing into Speedsource. They have always had a better sorted car, and with the noise they are making about Speedsource customer cars next year, it sure would be nice to have more than 2 Mazdas in the field to fight the Porsches.
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I found and bought the issue of Racecar Engineering. It tells alot of what was done and why. Some of it we all pretty much had figured out such as too many engine builders.
They used the Courage chassis because Jim Downing recommended it. It was the only one available that they could get a rotary mounted in quickly. The back half of the car was basically a C60 Courage which is an LMP1 car. They even had the LMP1 car's brakes. The transmission they had to use wasn't what is normally used. They were 275 lbs overweight and 50 hp down. That's huge.
The chassis didn't have enough cooling area which we all knew. At the end of last season we knew they had a new water pump but the article reveals that it was a water pump from a Champ car and had dual radiators. Interesting. Francesco Ianetti developed special ceramic heat shields for the car. We all know of his wonderful apex seals. I didn't realize that he (along with a few others) designed the heat shielding for the Space Shuttle!
They said that the car could have been setup to use the rotary properly in the first place. In other words they could have gotten things redesigned to get weight down and the adaptation done properly before it ever hit the track but they said it would have taken another 6 months. They just wanted to get the car out on the track now. Maybe they should have started construction of it 6 months earlier! They only built the thing 2 weeks before it's first race! Why is there never enough time and money to do it right the first time but always enough to do it again? I'll never understand that. Especially when you are working on a tight budget.
The goal of their first RFQ (request for quote) for a new engine last year was pretty interesting. The goal was a turbocharged, direct injected 20B using lightweight alloys (all aluminum) with a goal of 550hp and 450 ft lbs of torque. Since the RX-8 didn't have a turbo, they didn't feel the turbo idea would be good from a marketing point of view though. The other option was a 4 rotor but there are no production based 4 rotors (or 3 rotors anymore so go figure?) and parts for them haven't been made in 20 years. The race engine they were running used standard Renesis rotors. The turbo 3 rotor would have been cool.
They had a change of heart at some point though and saw the MZR DISI as a perfect marketing engine that also met their needs on the track so that's what they did. Too bad they barely finish any races with the new car. I'd have liked to have seen them just take the extra 6 months to get the original car done properly and then evolve from there. They half assed the car together in too short of a time and then spent too much money to try to make it all work only to spend far more money in the end on a totally new car. The logic escapes me.
They used the Courage chassis because Jim Downing recommended it. It was the only one available that they could get a rotary mounted in quickly. The back half of the car was basically a C60 Courage which is an LMP1 car. They even had the LMP1 car's brakes. The transmission they had to use wasn't what is normally used. They were 275 lbs overweight and 50 hp down. That's huge.
The chassis didn't have enough cooling area which we all knew. At the end of last season we knew they had a new water pump but the article reveals that it was a water pump from a Champ car and had dual radiators. Interesting. Francesco Ianetti developed special ceramic heat shields for the car. We all know of his wonderful apex seals. I didn't realize that he (along with a few others) designed the heat shielding for the Space Shuttle!
They said that the car could have been setup to use the rotary properly in the first place. In other words they could have gotten things redesigned to get weight down and the adaptation done properly before it ever hit the track but they said it would have taken another 6 months. They just wanted to get the car out on the track now. Maybe they should have started construction of it 6 months earlier! They only built the thing 2 weeks before it's first race! Why is there never enough time and money to do it right the first time but always enough to do it again? I'll never understand that. Especially when you are working on a tight budget.
The goal of their first RFQ (request for quote) for a new engine last year was pretty interesting. The goal was a turbocharged, direct injected 20B using lightweight alloys (all aluminum) with a goal of 550hp and 450 ft lbs of torque. Since the RX-8 didn't have a turbo, they didn't feel the turbo idea would be good from a marketing point of view though. The other option was a 4 rotor but there are no production based 4 rotors (or 3 rotors anymore so go figure?) and parts for them haven't been made in 20 years. The race engine they were running used standard Renesis rotors. The turbo 3 rotor would have been cool.
They had a change of heart at some point though and saw the MZR DISI as a perfect marketing engine that also met their needs on the track so that's what they did. Too bad they barely finish any races with the new car. I'd have liked to have seen them just take the extra 6 months to get the original car done properly and then evolve from there. They half assed the car together in too short of a time and then spent too much money to try to make it all work only to spend far more money in the end on a totally new car. The logic escapes me.
Anyway back to topic.... Thanks for the article review. I would add though in response, that "their" decisions have had no logic. Just plenty of ignorance!! It's what happens when you have a bunch of people too afraid to speak up when someone presents a real stupid idea. And usually it involves one person with money surrounded by people on his payroll.
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Well, at this point it would be a better idea for Mazda to throw more of their backing into Speedsource. They have always had a better sorted car, and with the noise they are making about Speedsource customer cars next year, it sure would be nice to have more than 2 Mazdas in the field to fight the Porsches.
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Qualified 10th for tomorrows race.
10. Ben Devlin, England; Jamie Bach, Saukville, WI; Lola/B07-40/Mazda (P2), 1:08.021, 130.14
3 seconds of of the leader though. Any updates at all on the car?
10. Ben Devlin, England; Jamie Bach, Saukville, WI; Lola/B07-40/Mazda (P2), 1:08.021, 130.14
3 seconds of of the leader though. Any updates at all on the car?
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Anybody able to sign up for Speed's on Demand live video? I can't seem to be able to register for it. Seems like they are picking it up though, they were a lap down at one point I think.
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The guys were really geeked today after the race. They have been trying to get this thing together and have faced failure and bad luck, but today some went their way. The car was fast, it held together and some things just went the right way for them today. A great result for them.
Hopefully this will help them turn the corner and start to show what they can do.
Hopefully this will help them turn the corner and start to show what they can do.
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An AWESOME result for the team! We need an ad campaign showing Mazda beating both Acuras and Porkas! Now when I'm cross-shopping the RX-8 VS the next NSX or 911, I can say "Well, this is nice and all, but last I saw you guys couldn't beat Mazda on one of the fastest tracks in North America. What's up with that?"
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It was a great result by the team... this shows the true potential once things all come together. The team site has been updated with current news and pics:
http://www.gomazdaracing.com/
-Bern
http://www.gomazdaracing.com/
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I am still concerned because it seems the car still does not have enough power. I missed the end of the race but at the beginning they were several seconds off of the Porches. I don't think the 2.0l is that competitive compared the the V8's.
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The lap times were about a second off the pace near the end from what I could see from the rare “last lap” scrolls across the top. They only finished 1 lap down from the winning Porsche though.