may be wrong forum but I need your advise on a MS6.
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Yeah, My wife is cool driving stick but she would only drive it occasionally since she has her own ozone killer. She does not like driving stick much which is great for me. Evertime she does drive my 8 I sit by the door like I'm waiting for my daughter to come home from prom.
I did look this weekend and I didn't really like the silver or the drak grey so I am looking for a VR . At first I thought it would be dumb to have two VR cars but after seeing a brand new one on the lot I was sold. So I am looking for a used VR with less than 10k on the odometer for around $20k. I will have to chill on the computer and home audio/video buying for a while but it will be worth it. Two cars for around $750.00 a month won't be bad and my 8 will be paid off soon enough.
I did look this weekend and I didn't really like the silver or the drak grey so I am looking for a VR . At first I thought it would be dumb to have two VR cars but after seeing a brand new one on the lot I was sold. So I am looking for a used VR with less than 10k on the odometer for around $20k. I will have to chill on the computer and home audio/video buying for a while but it will be worth it. Two cars for around $750.00 a month won't be bad and my 8 will be paid off soon enough.
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A friend of mine has an MS6. he said just putting on an intake made a huge difference. The car also feels like a cruise missle. Tons and tons of torque. I like it a lot, even on CA 91 octane. Grips pretty well too. Drive it and see if you like it.
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just test drove an MS6 a few days back for the first time...fully loaded, every option, 9K. White/black leather seats (yuck?) They were askin $27K bottom line.
As far as the test drive went, it really did have some "whoosh" for a family sedan. However, I found the turbo lag to be almost excruciating, which came as a huge surprise since I hadn't heard much about lag. It really could get up and go in most any gear from 1-5, and offered a great ride.
Since the dealer was with me, i didn't get all that involved of a test drive as i'd like, but I did notice it to be an entirely differant machine then the 8. The spongy-but-distinct shifter left me with a real love/hate complex. The clutch was almost cumbersome, as it was so loose that letting the clutch out almost seemed to have a threshold point at which it went from no engagment to full engagement in a instant. Yea, pretty odd.
The car in general was a great car, but for $27K, even fully loaded, it was a lot to swallow for a 9K mile car. While i wouldn't expect any speed vehicle to depreciate at the rate the 8 does, i do wonder exactly how quick it'll be dropping.
I will say this though...if the torqueless wonder of a rotary bothers you all that much, the MS6 would be a nice jump. Very quick off the line, easily sits 5 adults, and of course that wonderful turbo. However, in overall driveability and excitement, it wasn't quite up to the level of the 8 IMO. Had it been an even trade on an 8 it'd be a close call, but taken in depriciation and all else said, a $30K+ tag seems a little excessive when comparing the ride you'd be taking a hit on
As far as the test drive went, it really did have some "whoosh" for a family sedan. However, I found the turbo lag to be almost excruciating, which came as a huge surprise since I hadn't heard much about lag. It really could get up and go in most any gear from 1-5, and offered a great ride.
Since the dealer was with me, i didn't get all that involved of a test drive as i'd like, but I did notice it to be an entirely differant machine then the 8. The spongy-but-distinct shifter left me with a real love/hate complex. The clutch was almost cumbersome, as it was so loose that letting the clutch out almost seemed to have a threshold point at which it went from no engagment to full engagement in a instant. Yea, pretty odd.
The car in general was a great car, but for $27K, even fully loaded, it was a lot to swallow for a 9K mile car. While i wouldn't expect any speed vehicle to depreciate at the rate the 8 does, i do wonder exactly how quick it'll be dropping.
I will say this though...if the torqueless wonder of a rotary bothers you all that much, the MS6 would be a nice jump. Very quick off the line, easily sits 5 adults, and of course that wonderful turbo. However, in overall driveability and excitement, it wasn't quite up to the level of the 8 IMO. Had it been an even trade on an 8 it'd be a close call, but taken in depriciation and all else said, a $30K+ tag seems a little excessive when comparing the ride you'd be taking a hit on
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Originally Posted by Stavesacre21
just test drove an MS6 a few days back for the first time...fully loaded, every option, 9K. White/black leather seats (yuck?) They were askin $27K bottom line.
As far as the test drive went, it really did have some "whoosh" for a family sedan. However, I found the turbo lag to be almost excruciating, which came as a huge surprise since I hadn't heard much about lag. It really could get up and go in most any gear from 1-5, and offered a great ride.
Since the dealer was with me, i didn't get all that involved of a test drive as i'd like, but I did notice it to be an entirely differant machine then the 8. The spongy-but-distinct shifter left me with a real love/hate complex. The clutch was almost cumbersome, as it was so loose that letting the clutch out almost seemed to have a threshold point at which it went from no engagment to full engagement in a instant. Yea, pretty odd.
The car in general was a great car, but for $27K, even fully loaded, it was a lot to swallow for a 9K mile car. While i wouldn't expect any speed vehicle to depreciate at the rate the 8 does, i do wonder exactly how quick it'll be dropping.
I will say this though...if the torqueless wonder of a rotary bothers you all that much, the MS6 would be a nice jump. Very quick off the line, easily sits 5 adults, and of course that wonderful turbo. However, in overall driveability and excitement, it wasn't quite up to the level of the 8 IMO. Had it been an even trade on an 8 it'd be a close call, but taken in depriciation and all else said, a $30K+ tag seems a little excessive when comparing the ride you'd be taking a hit on
As far as the test drive went, it really did have some "whoosh" for a family sedan. However, I found the turbo lag to be almost excruciating, which came as a huge surprise since I hadn't heard much about lag. It really could get up and go in most any gear from 1-5, and offered a great ride.
Since the dealer was with me, i didn't get all that involved of a test drive as i'd like, but I did notice it to be an entirely differant machine then the 8. The spongy-but-distinct shifter left me with a real love/hate complex. The clutch was almost cumbersome, as it was so loose that letting the clutch out almost seemed to have a threshold point at which it went from no engagment to full engagement in a instant. Yea, pretty odd.
The car in general was a great car, but for $27K, even fully loaded, it was a lot to swallow for a 9K mile car. While i wouldn't expect any speed vehicle to depreciate at the rate the 8 does, i do wonder exactly how quick it'll be dropping.
I will say this though...if the torqueless wonder of a rotary bothers you all that much, the MS6 would be a nice jump. Very quick off the line, easily sits 5 adults, and of course that wonderful turbo. However, in overall driveability and excitement, it wasn't quite up to the level of the 8 IMO. Had it been an even trade on an 8 it'd be a close call, but taken in depriciation and all else said, a $30K+ tag seems a little excessive when comparing the ride you'd be taking a hit on
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However, I found the turbo lag to be almost excruciating, which came as a huge surprise since I hadn't heard much about lag. It really could get up and go in most any gear from 1-5, and offered a great ride.
Don't take offense if I completely disregard your review of the MS6.
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Originally Posted by Ike
Odd that you say that, the RX-8 lags way more in the low end than a MS6 does. Also, 27k is more than a lot of other people are getting the car for brand new. There are people that have gotten sport models for less than 23k and loaded GT models for less than 25k.
Oh yea...and the lag, that was clearly a statement about TURBO lag. Hardly comparable to the low-rev lag of a rotary engine. The latter is expected, the aforementioned normally isn't.
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Odd that you say that, the RX-8 lags way more in the low end than a MS6 does. Also, 27k is more than a lot of other people are getting the car for brand new. There are people that have gotten sport models for less than 23k and loaded GT models for less than 25k.
I agree. Not being used to turbo cars will naturally make people feel like the car has a lot of lag, but trust me, it doesn't. The lag is actually quite minimal, and the car feels like it packs some serious natural muscle. I can't even here the turbo. They've managed to make this car incredibly quiet for what it is.
As for the price. $27k is way too high. I got my Speed 6 Sport for $23500 back in July, before the car was classified as leftover, and long before the 07s even came out. I did get one hell of a deal for back then, but the deals are better noe. Some have gotten a leftover Sport Speed 6 for $21k, and the GT for $23k. The car is now clasified as used, so when you drive it off the lot, the depreciation is all at once, instead of paced like it was when I got mine.
The car isn't worth paying $27k for now. I mean, you really have to drive one of these, and realize that for even $22k right now, the Sport Speed 6 is so worth it. It quickly makes you forget what the car lacks from an enthusiast standpoint TRUST ME!!!!!!!!! It was so easy to criticize this car when it came out, but with these deals, I see absolutely no justification whatsoever. The car is an absolute STEAL for the prices they are going for now.
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Let's not say turbo lag is akin to the 8's low torque. The 8 has a very linear power curve, a very gradual build of power, whereas most turbos have power off/on characteristics.
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Originally Posted by 9291150
Let's not say turbo lag is akin to the 8's low torque. The 8 has a very linear power curve, a very gradual build of power, whereas most turbos have power off/on characteristics.
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Today's turbo cars are like smooth as silk compared to the old turbo days. My former track car (highly modded 88 Mitsubishi Starion) was the turbo lag king. That car had throttle body injection, and just a torquey 2.6 liter single overhead cam. It relied Solely on the turbo to get it moving. I had a big 16g in it pushing 20psi. That car went from no ***** to HUGE GONADS fast. That car was sickly fast for an old outdated 80s machine, but to call the car laggy would be a HUGE understatement. Even bone stock, it had a large amount of lag. I sure miss that car though.
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^ Ok, you want to be literal, but you wouldn't say a turbo car typically has a pronounced stepped power delivery? Some more than others of course, but single turbo set-ups like your Evo are especially known to have quite a bit of lag stock, even greater if you run more boost.
My last car was a chipped 1.8T, and you sure as hell knew if you were on boost or off. It was a pain to modulate the throttle exiting a corner as the boost came on to not break traction, or not getting that immediate power with just a downshift.
I'm not insulting your car man, I'm just being factual that a turbo needs to spool up with exhaust gasses to gain power resulting in a stepped power delivery, which is far less gradual and linear than a n/a engine.
My last car was a chipped 1.8T, and you sure as hell knew if you were on boost or off. It was a pain to modulate the throttle exiting a corner as the boost came on to not break traction, or not getting that immediate power with just a downshift.
I'm not insulting your car man, I'm just being factual that a turbo needs to spool up with exhaust gasses to gain power resulting in a stepped power delivery, which is far less gradual and linear than a n/a engine.
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Originally Posted by 9291150
^ Ok, you want to be literal, but you wouldn't say a turbo car typically has a pronounced stepped power delivery? Some more than others of course, but single turbo set-ups like your Evo are especially known to have quite a bit of lag stock, even greater if you run more boost.
My last car was a chipped 1.8T, and you sure as hell knew if you were on boost or off. It was a pain to modulate the throttle exiting a corner as the boost came on to not break traction, or not getting that immediate power with just a downshift.
I'm not insulting your car man, I'm just being factual that a turbo needs to spool up with exhaust gasses to gain power resulting in a stepped power delivery, which is far less gradual and linear than a n/a engine.
My last car was a chipped 1.8T, and you sure as hell knew if you were on boost or off. It was a pain to modulate the throttle exiting a corner as the boost came on to not break traction, or not getting that immediate power with just a downshift.
I'm not insulting your car man, I'm just being factual that a turbo needs to spool up with exhaust gasses to gain power resulting in a stepped power delivery, which is far less gradual and linear than a n/a engine.
Also, more boost doesn't mean more lag, in fact sometimes it means less if you're talking someone doing exhaust work and tuning to accompany it. Bigger turbos mean more lag. The small turbos on cars like the MS3, MS6, GTI, and others make them drive almost like NA cars and saying they have any noticeable turbo lag is a stretch IMO. There's a difference between being out of the spool range of the turbo and turbo lag.
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I have owned a few turbocharged cars (last was a MSP) and the MS6 has virtually no lag. Is it as smooth as the 8's power curve? No. But the AWD makes up for any lag. By the time it bites the freight train has already begin to move. In my friends EVO you just have to know how to launch it in first gear. My friends STI has no lag if you rev it up on launch properly.
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