Mazda 6 2014 now in US- Diesel delayed, again!
02-05-2013, 01:41 PM
#501
Learn the rules noob!
The VWs are overpriced pieces of crap. Designed like crap, built like crap.
It's no longer the time of bulletproof german cars. Now they break, and often.
Bse50 , but im on your side with this one. I personally don't like any german cars. 
02-05-2013, 01:54 PM
#503
When you wrote that my trickle charger fell on my rx8's hood.
True story, paypal me 500$. I haz to buff it out.
02-05-2013, 02:06 PM
#507
02-05-2013, 02:09 PM
#508
02-05-2013, 02:24 PM
#510
02-05-2013, 02:26 PM
#511
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I really like the car mostly but the transmission is kind of jerky and the engine is just underwhelming. A $30,0000.00+ GT sedan should have some refinement in my opinion and a buzzy four banger just seems and feels silly in such a big car. The 2.5L is sufficient in my girlfriends Mazda 3S but not in such a large fully loaded sedan.
They need fuel economy as the primary desire.
Hence the fact that the vast bulk of mid size family sedan market is sold with 4 cylinder engines, between the $20k and $25k mark here in the US.
All the cars are around 180 hp.
The 6 actually makes more torque at a lower RPM than Altima, Accord, and Camry.
Oddly enough, it has exactly the same Bore and Stroke dimensions as the Altima's 4 cylinder engine.
Stop comparing the 4 cylinder Mazda 6 to vehicles it doesn't compete against, and start comparing it to the vehicles it actually does.
The Accord was made hideously ugly in this new refresh.
The Altima doesn't look bad at all, and I owned the previous version. No manual sucks ***, though, so f it.
The Camry is boring, and looks, yet again, like one of its previous generations did.
Hopefully, the US market will buy the thing.
When Nissan refreshed the Altima in '07, its sales jumped up, and it became a bigger player in this market. Hopefully the same will happen for the Mazda 6.
BC.
02-05-2013, 04:43 PM
#512
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2.2 Diesel is a different animal again, it has a ton of torque and will shame every other Mazda made before for North America.
Have been reading quite a few reviews of 2.5 4 and all are impressive.
Have been reading quite a few reviews of 2.5 4 and all are impressive.
02-05-2013, 04:55 PM
#513
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Here you go..kind of the opposite from detractors..
Do I want it?
If cars such as the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima and Chevrolet Malibu bore you to tears with underwhelming looks and lackluster drive characters, then, yes, you want the 2014 Mazda 6. It's been the most athletic driving vehicle in the segment, and the new model continues that tradition.
In addition to having the sportiest entry, the Skyactiv equipment now gives the 6 a strong fuel economy argument, which is something that Mazda had previously lacked in comparison with its rivals.
The Kodo design is attractive and gives the 6 a clean visual punch with the flowing character line that runs from the front quarter panel to the front doors. However, the rear end does look a bit bland to our eye.
Most exciting is the forthcoming diesel engine that will certainly give the Volkswagen Passat TDI a run for its money. The Mazda certainly trumps the VW in a beauty contest and in the handling reflexes department. It's safe to say we are eagerly waiting to get a crack at driving the diesel-powered 6.
Read more: 2014 Mazda 6 drive review - Autoweek
Do I want it?
If cars such as the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima and Chevrolet Malibu bore you to tears with underwhelming looks and lackluster drive characters, then, yes, you want the 2014 Mazda 6. It's been the most athletic driving vehicle in the segment, and the new model continues that tradition.
In addition to having the sportiest entry, the Skyactiv equipment now gives the 6 a strong fuel economy argument, which is something that Mazda had previously lacked in comparison with its rivals.
The Kodo design is attractive and gives the 6 a clean visual punch with the flowing character line that runs from the front quarter panel to the front doors. However, the rear end does look a bit bland to our eye.
Most exciting is the forthcoming diesel engine that will certainly give the Volkswagen Passat TDI a run for its money. The Mazda certainly trumps the VW in a beauty contest and in the handling reflexes department. It's safe to say we are eagerly waiting to get a crack at driving the diesel-powered 6.
Read more: 2014 Mazda 6 drive review - Autoweek
02-05-2013, 05:16 PM
#514
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I hate to point out the obvious, but you are completely missing out on the fact that this entire segment of vehicles is sold to families. Not to sports car owning acceleration junkies, but to a guy and a wife who have a couple of kids, and they need a good reliable car that can seat two adults, with two strapped in brats in the back, with enough room between them to fit an adult in order to smack both brats in the head on occasion.
They need fuel economy as the primary desire.
Hence the fact that the vast bulk of mid size family sedan market is sold with 4 cylinder engines, between the $20k and $25k mark here in the US.
All the cars are around 180 hp.
The 6 actually makes more torque at a lower RPM than Altima, Accord, and Camry.
Oddly enough, it has exactly the same Bore and Stroke dimensions as the Altima's 4 cylinder engine.
Stop comparing the 4 cylinder Mazda 6 to vehicles it doesn't compete against, and start comparing it to the vehicles it actually does.
The Accord was made hideously ugly in this new refresh.
The Altima doesn't look bad at all, and I owned the previous version. No manual sucks ***, though, so f it.
The Camry is boring, and looks, yet again, like one of its previous generations did.
Hopefully, the US market will buy the thing.
When Nissan refreshed the Altima in '07, its sales jumped up, and it became a bigger player in this market. Hopefully the same will happen for the Mazda 6.
BC.
They need fuel economy as the primary desire.
Hence the fact that the vast bulk of mid size family sedan market is sold with 4 cylinder engines, between the $20k and $25k mark here in the US.
All the cars are around 180 hp.
The 6 actually makes more torque at a lower RPM than Altima, Accord, and Camry.
Oddly enough, it has exactly the same Bore and Stroke dimensions as the Altima's 4 cylinder engine.
Stop comparing the 4 cylinder Mazda 6 to vehicles it doesn't compete against, and start comparing it to the vehicles it actually does.
The Accord was made hideously ugly in this new refresh.
The Altima doesn't look bad at all, and I owned the previous version. No manual sucks ***, though, so f it.
The Camry is boring, and looks, yet again, like one of its previous generations did.
Hopefully, the US market will buy the thing.
When Nissan refreshed the Altima in '07, its sales jumped up, and it became a bigger player in this market. Hopefully the same will happen for the Mazda 6.
BC.
2. The Mazda 6 I drove (friend who traded in a 2010 RX-8 GT) was a $30,000.00+ Grand Touring. So it does compete against the V-6 crowd of sedans in the $30,000.00 price range.
3. Looks are subjective and so is performance in a large part. My mother drives a CVT equipped 2.5L Altima and it drives better than the Mazda 6 I drove IMO just because I was so disappointed in the transmission in the new 6. A 3.5L SEL Altima would be way better in every way I would imagine based on the reviews I have read thus far
4. I agree on the Camry for the most , but if you have ever driven a fully loaded V-6 model you would have to agree that it is pretty nice, reliable, and equipped family transport.
02-05-2013, 05:32 PM
#516
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Here you go..kind of the opposite from detractors..
Do I want it?
If cars such as the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima and Chevrolet Malibu bore you to tears with underwhelming looks and lackluster drive characters, then, yes, you want the 2014 Mazda 6. It's been the most athletic driving vehicle in the segment, and the new model continues that tradition.
In addition to having the sportiest entry, the Skyactiv equipment now gives the 6 a strong fuel economy argument, which is something that Mazda had previously lacked in comparison with its rivals.
The Kodo design is attractive and gives the 6 a clean visual punch with the flowing character line that runs from the front quarter panel to the front doors. However, the rear end does look a bit bland to our eye.
Most exciting is the forthcoming diesel engine that will certainly give the Volkswagen Passat TDI a run for its money. The Mazda certainly trumps the VW in a beauty contest and in the handling reflexes department. It's safe to say we are eagerly waiting to get a crack at driving the diesel-powered 6.
Read more: 2014 Mazda 6 drive review - Autoweek
Do I want it?
If cars such as the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima and Chevrolet Malibu bore you to tears with underwhelming looks and lackluster drive characters, then, yes, you want the 2014 Mazda 6. It's been the most athletic driving vehicle in the segment, and the new model continues that tradition.
In addition to having the sportiest entry, the Skyactiv equipment now gives the 6 a strong fuel economy argument, which is something that Mazda had previously lacked in comparison with its rivals.
The Kodo design is attractive and gives the 6 a clean visual punch with the flowing character line that runs from the front quarter panel to the front doors. However, the rear end does look a bit bland to our eye.
Most exciting is the forthcoming diesel engine that will certainly give the Volkswagen Passat TDI a run for its money. The Mazda certainly trumps the VW in a beauty contest and in the handling reflexes department. It's safe to say we are eagerly waiting to get a crack at driving the diesel-powered 6.
Read more: 2014 Mazda 6 drive review - Autoweek
Hype.
02-05-2013, 05:39 PM
#517
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Well if a 2.5L GT is $30,000.00 I can only imagine what a diesel will run especially with the dealer mark up due to hype.
Now when the prices subside and you can get a Mazda 6 GT in the $25,000.00-$27,000.00 range then it may be worth it but I would personally never drive one.
Now when the prices subside and you can get a Mazda 6 GT in the $25,000.00-$27,000.00 range then it may be worth it but I would personally never drive one.
02-05-2013, 05:53 PM
#518
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This European dude seems to think the new 6 does favorably against the crop of cars over there and he's testing a 2.0l wagon.
I remember the days when a quick SPORTS car did a near 7 second 0-60 but now (Especially here in the US) We are not satisfied if our common sedan does not break 6 seconds. I seriously wonder if there is a limit to our needs and desires.
Paul.
I remember the days when a quick SPORTS car did a near 7 second 0-60 but now (Especially here in the US) We are not satisfied if our common sedan does not break 6 seconds. I seriously wonder if there is a limit to our needs and desires.
Paul.
No wonder he found the seats ''a little small''..
But yet again, all around the world, every writer/driver says the exact same thing..
The Mazda is "more fun to drive" than any other car in it's segment.
And I agree with the lunacy that every car has to be faster which means more powerful....it is moronic.
Mazda has the correct formula of making their cars lighter, they have been the leader in this field for many years, decades, the only drawback with 'lighter' thinner HS steel and fabrics with low profile wheels, is more 'road noise' transmission, you can't have both-ways.
A lighter car is way more fun .....
02-05-2013, 06:04 PM
#519
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I would expect a 1800-2200 for USA?
02-05-2013, 08:42 PM
#520
This would be the proper comparison, The Honda Accord EX-L with it's 17" wheels and CVT transmission. It still gets worse mileage, has less horsepower and torque. Please notice the starting price of the EX-L model at $27995.
2013 Honda Accord Sedan - Options and Pricing - Official Honda Site
We will see how Mazda 6 sells over time. I think it's a winner myself.
Paul.
2013 Honda Accord Sedan - Options and Pricing - Official Honda Site
We will see how Mazda 6 sells over time. I think it's a winner myself.
Paul.
02-05-2013, 11:50 PM
#521
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Don't get me wrong it's a nice car but just doesn't stack up for the price in my opinion.
Just a quick search locally on Autotrader shows a brand new Accord V-6 EX-L with Nav for $33,000.00.
My buddy paid $32,000ish IIRC all said and done for his Mazda 6 GT and he has owned a few Mazdas over the past few years and has good credit so he got the best deal he could find for exactly what he wanted (A black fully loaded GT). He is happy but admits he misses the performance of his 2010 RX-8 GT. But with a growing family he needed a more convenient car that he and his wife could drive with the kids comfortably and he is a die hard Mazda guy and loyal to the brand.
Just a quick search locally on Autotrader shows a brand new Accord V-6 EX-L with Nav for $33,000.00.
My buddy paid $32,000ish IIRC all said and done for his Mazda 6 GT and he has owned a few Mazdas over the past few years and has good credit so he got the best deal he could find for exactly what he wanted (A black fully loaded GT). He is happy but admits he misses the performance of his 2010 RX-8 GT. But with a growing family he needed a more convenient car that he and his wife could drive with the kids comfortably and he is a die hard Mazda guy and loyal to the brand.
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02-06-2013, 03:36 AM
#522
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Here is some skilled testing (promo) for Melbourne F1 GP Celebrity Race using (12 I think) Mazda 6 Diesels, all that had to change was pads, roll cage and race seat/harness...everything else is bog standard..
Pretty crappy handling Mazda
Pretty crappy handling Mazda
02-06-2013, 07:48 AM
#523
Don't get me wrong it's a nice car but just doesn't stack up for the price in my opinion.
Just a quick search locally on Autotrader shows a brand new Accord V-6 EX-L with Nav for $33,000.00.
My buddy paid $32,000ish IIRC all said and done for his Mazda 6 GT and he has owned a few Mazdas over the past few years and has good credit so he got the best deal he could find for exactly what he wanted (A black fully loaded GT). He is happy but admits he misses the performance of his 2010 RX-8 GT. But with a growing family he needed a more convenient car that he and his wife could drive with the kids comfortably and he is a die hard Mazda guy and loyal to the brand.
Just a quick search locally on Autotrader shows a brand new Accord V-6 EX-L with Nav for $33,000.00.
My buddy paid $32,000ish IIRC all said and done for his Mazda 6 GT and he has owned a few Mazdas over the past few years and has good credit so he got the best deal he could find for exactly what he wanted (A black fully loaded GT). He is happy but admits he misses the performance of his 2010 RX-8 GT. But with a growing family he needed a more convenient car that he and his wife could drive with the kids comfortably and he is a die hard Mazda guy and loyal to the brand.
).Now the tough part. Where exactly does the diesel fit? Can they convince people that torque is the new horsepower (In terms of marketing) or even that fuel mileage is the new horsepower? Will they mostly pull the Volkswagen customer who was already in the market for a diesel? A car with 175 hp is not going to do the things that one with 275 will (Everything else being equal). That being said, I have way oversimplified because torque at any given rpm is related to hp and the new 6 diesel may have lots of usable power vs it's competition in everyday driving. That's just not a tangible that is easily marketable. We shall see
.Paul.
02-06-2013, 09:25 AM
#524
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You are right, we shall see. The Autotrader price on the Accord was from a local Honda dealership. I just think the driving experience is severely limited due to the weak engine and trans options. A lot of guys buying family cars still look for performance and power whether they need it or not.
02-06-2013, 02:18 PM
#525
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The 2.2 Diesel has almost twice (well 80% more) the maximum torque @ 2000 RPM of the 2.5 Gas has @ 3500...
If Mazda USA does this right, they will be on a winner, but I am not optomistic...unfortunately.
Supply will be an issue...until they move North American Mazda 3 production to Mexico they can not make more 6's @ Hofu....until then there will be issues....and USA will then see the smaller 6 Wagon.
Plus the fact Australia has #1 allocation priority out of Japan, MMC makes twice the profit out of every Mazda sold here while we mugs continue to pay for it.
If Mazda USA does this right, they will be on a winner, but I am not optomistic...unfortunately.
Supply will be an issue...until they move North American Mazda 3 production to Mexico they can not make more 6's @ Hofu....until then there will be issues....and USA will then see the smaller 6 Wagon.
Plus the fact Australia has #1 allocation priority out of Japan, MMC makes twice the profit out of every Mazda sold here while we mugs continue to pay for it.