Mazda to Debut new vehicle at LA AUto SHOW!!
#76
Originally Posted by zoom44
bascho see that in my first post? i havent closed yet!!
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My theory distilled
-Exterior heavily carried over the Kabura Concept, few changes
-Interior will definitely be less exotic
-RWD
-170hp 4-cylinder engine (base), 190hp 4-cylinder (sport)
-2600lbs weight
-Faster than a MX-5, slower than a RX-8 in sport version
-They'll accomodate at least 4 seats, 3 is just not market friendly
-PRICE: $19k for base, $23k for sport
-Exterior heavily carried over the Kabura Concept, few changes
-Interior will definitely be less exotic
-RWD
-170hp 4-cylinder engine (base), 190hp 4-cylinder (sport)
-2600lbs weight
-Faster than a MX-5, slower than a RX-8 in sport version
-They'll accomodate at least 4 seats, 3 is just not market friendly
-PRICE: $19k for base, $23k for sport
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Originally Posted by Blue Sky
My theory distilled
-Exterior heavily carried over the Kabura Concept, few changes
-Interior will definitely be less exotic
-RWD
-170hp 4-cylinder engine (base), 190hp 4-cylinder (sport)
-2600lbs weight
-Faster than a MX-5, slower than a RX-8 in sport version
-They'll accomodate at least 4 seats, 3 is just not market friendly
-PRICE: $19k for base, $23k for sport
-Exterior heavily carried over the Kabura Concept, few changes
-Interior will definitely be less exotic
-RWD
-170hp 4-cylinder engine (base), 190hp 4-cylinder (sport)
-2600lbs weight
-Faster than a MX-5, slower than a RX-8 in sport version
-They'll accomodate at least 4 seats, 3 is just not market friendly
-PRICE: $19k for base, $23k for sport
Come on Mazda, all I want for Christmas is the promise of a MS8.
#80
My prediction? Mazda isn't going to show anything that we (as in the enthusiast Internets community) aren't already aware of. I agree with Baron's #5; it's probably going to be some boring *** car that appeals to the sheeples. I don't see Mazda doing anything other than continuing to snub the enthusiast community in favor of what (barely) pays the bills.
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Originally Posted by zoom44
im thinking we'll see both. the new 6 AND the next protype development stage of the coupe- it is a year later afterall
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I'm having trouble seeing jsut where the kub will fit into the lineup?!?!
RWD coupe with 170hp?
The 3 and MS3 are small FWD coupes, not quite compact sport coupes, but still...~20k
The Miata is their RWD sportish coupe...~25k
The RX8 is their RWD entry level sports car...~30k
They bring in a 20k-ish rwd coupe with 170hp...what hole is that filling?
What am i missing?
RWD coupe with 170hp?
The 3 and MS3 are small FWD coupes, not quite compact sport coupes, but still...~20k
The Miata is their RWD sportish coupe...~25k
The RX8 is their RWD entry level sports car...~30k
They bring in a 20k-ish rwd coupe with 170hp...what hole is that filling?
What am i missing?
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Originally Posted by zoom44
well the MS3 already had its debut and will ne in dealers in august(barring sinking ships) and the CX-9 had its world debut at this past New York Auto Show. It will be in dealers in December(barring any ship sinking) so it should be somehting new new getting its world debut....
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/27/c...mazdas-aboard/
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Besides, there's this.
Posted Feb 28th 2006 ... one gets the sense that Mazda built the Kabura with production in mind and that von Holzhausen would like nothing more than to insert his love child into the lineup between the MX-5 and RX-8.
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on th ford side of speculation and my point earlier about a possible shared car mazda/ford
http://www.autospectator.com/modules...p?storyid=5032
http://www.autospectator.com/modules...p?storyid=5032
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Originally Posted by hedgecore
I'm having trouble seeing jsut where the kub will fit into the lineup?!?!
RWD coupe with 170hp?
The 3 and MS3 are small FWD coupes, not quite compact sport coupes, but still...~20k
The Miata is their RWD sportish coupe...~25k
The RX8 is their RWD entry level sports car...~30k
They bring in a 20k-ish rwd coupe with 170hp...what hole is that filling?
What am i missing?
RWD coupe with 170hp?
The 3 and MS3 are small FWD coupes, not quite compact sport coupes, but still...~20k
The Miata is their RWD sportish coupe...~25k
The RX8 is their RWD entry level sports car...~30k
They bring in a 20k-ish rwd coupe with 170hp...what hole is that filling?
What am i missing?
#90
Originally Posted by zoom44
3 seats and budget Elise is definetly what some in Japan are looking at.
MS8
MS8
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What I think Mazda needs is a more upscale sedan that will attack the G35, 3-series, TL market. My opinion of Mazda is that it will always be a "small" time player due to a lack of an "upscale" division, developing entry-level cars. I wouldn't mind a production version of Kabura concept myself, but I'm looking at this at an overall market persepective and the growth potential of this company.
Comedy option: 2 seat, shortened RX-8. Cheaper and lighter without the rear seats and doors.
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Quick thought of speculation hey you said let it run rampant Zoom...
Ok.. in 08' Nissan is releasing the GTR in the states.... what if Mazda under Fords go ahead decided to make the Kabura as a total sports car.. this whole under/around 20k is just b.s. talk to throw everyone off. They either slap in a 3 rotar or god forbid the most evil thing to mention a Ford V8 (gotta think cost savings if its made in America still lol). After that call it a 9 or a Rx-9 if it has a rotary (sorry for not saying rx-7 but what if it sucks do you want this car to sully the 7's rep?). ok end of speculation...
Ok.. in 08' Nissan is releasing the GTR in the states.... what if Mazda under Fords go ahead decided to make the Kabura as a total sports car.. this whole under/around 20k is just b.s. talk to throw everyone off. They either slap in a 3 rotar or god forbid the most evil thing to mention a Ford V8 (gotta think cost savings if its made in America still lol). After that call it a 9 or a Rx-9 if it has a rotary (sorry for not saying rx-7 but what if it sucks do you want this car to sully the 7's rep?). ok end of speculation...
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^ nah... the RX-7's return is another beast altogether that has been mentioned repeatedly with lots of "wink" and "nudge".
A RWD competitor to the Scion Tc, Cobalt SS and Civic Si is a very good idea. Many of those buyers jump to RWD (or AWD) sports cars for their next car. They get FWD just because it's all that's available in that segment... not because it's what they like. I know that if the Scion Tc was RWD it'd be more interesting to me. Hell even as much as I hate Honda... if the Civic Si was RWD I'd at least take a look. A Kabura-based car for this segement is a good idea. Whether or not it succeeds... that's another story.
Next gen Mazda6? It's pretty reasonable to think that it'll be at one of the two (LA or Detroit) auto shows... MS8? Maybe... but probably not. What we may see is an early facelift RX-8... a move to help boost the lagging sales. If that helps... then a MS8 the year before the next gen RX-8.
A RWD competitor to the Scion Tc, Cobalt SS and Civic Si is a very good idea. Many of those buyers jump to RWD (or AWD) sports cars for their next car. They get FWD just because it's all that's available in that segment... not because it's what they like. I know that if the Scion Tc was RWD it'd be more interesting to me. Hell even as much as I hate Honda... if the Civic Si was RWD I'd at least take a look. A Kabura-based car for this segement is a good idea. Whether or not it succeeds... that's another story.
Next gen Mazda6? It's pretty reasonable to think that it'll be at one of the two (LA or Detroit) auto shows... MS8? Maybe... but probably not. What we may see is an early facelift RX-8... a move to help boost the lagging sales. If that helps... then a MS8 the year before the next gen RX-8.
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Originally Posted by saturn
It's hard to believe because it'll be the exact same car as the MX-5 which was just re-released! You want same base price, same engine, same weight, same drive axle AND more seats?? With the advent of hardtop convertible MX-5 it makes even less sense.
This will eat away sales from the MX-5 if all they do is make it a stylish, hardtop MX-5 with more seats.
This will eat away sales from the MX-5 if all they do is make it a stylish, hardtop MX-5 with more seats.
I don't like convertibles. The retractable hardtop does make it more appealing, but I've sat in one at the Tokyo Motorshow. It was pretty damn hard for my large 6' *** to get in and out of. Maybe you lanky 5'7" - 5'9" guys don't have any problems with it, but us bigger guys do.
I don't like 2 seaters at all. If I was interested in a 2 seater, I'd just get a 350Z coupe and call it day.
So no... I wouldn't buy one either way.
This is why the kabura is appealing. I'm certainly not the only one who feels like this. There are many people who either don't like convertibles or don't like two seaters (or need more seats)... or both of the above. The MX-5 doesn't compete with the Cobalt SS. Neither does the Mazda3 (5 door or 4 door). The MS3 does, but it's a limited production run car. Once it's done... Mazda has nothing competing in this segement anymore. And once the run is done, Mazda will roll out the Kabura to take its place.
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Maybe, but I'd never buy a MX-5.
I don't like convertibles. The retractable hardtop does make it more appealing, but I've sat in one at the Tokyo Motorshow. It was pretty damn hard for my large 6' *** to get in and out of. Maybe you lanky 5'7" - 5'9" guys don't have any problems with it, but us bigger guys do.
I don't like 2 seaters at all. If I was interested in a 2 seater, I'd just get a 350Z coupe and call it day.
So no... I wouldn't buy one either way.
This is why the kabura is appealing. I'm certainly not the only one who feels like this. There are many people who either don't like convertibles or don't like two seaters (or need more seats)... or both of the above. The MX-5 doesn't compete with the Cobalt SS. Neither does the Mazda3 (5 door or 4 door). The MS3 does, but it's a limited production run car. Once it's done... Mazda has nothing competing in this segement anymore. And once the run is done, Mazda will roll out the Kabura to take its place.
I don't like convertibles. The retractable hardtop does make it more appealing, but I've sat in one at the Tokyo Motorshow. It was pretty damn hard for my large 6' *** to get in and out of. Maybe you lanky 5'7" - 5'9" guys don't have any problems with it, but us bigger guys do.
I don't like 2 seaters at all. If I was interested in a 2 seater, I'd just get a 350Z coupe and call it day.
So no... I wouldn't buy one either way.
This is why the kabura is appealing. I'm certainly not the only one who feels like this. There are many people who either don't like convertibles or don't like two seaters (or need more seats)... or both of the above. The MX-5 doesn't compete with the Cobalt SS. Neither does the Mazda3 (5 door or 4 door). The MS3 does, but it's a limited production run car. Once it's done... Mazda has nothing competing in this segement anymore. And once the run is done, Mazda will roll out the Kabura to take its place.
This car is getting better and better every time someone talks about it!
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Yeah I think our speculation is starting to lean towards day-dreaming.
I don't think we'll get the Kabura or anything like it for many years to come.
Auto-execs just don't know **** about what people really want.
I don't think we'll get the Kabura or anything like it for many years to come.
Auto-execs just don't know **** about what people really want.
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Originally Posted by BlueSky
Yeah I think our speculation is starting to lean towards day-dreaming.
I don't think we'll get the Kabura or anything like it for many years to come.
Auto-execs just don't know **** about what people really want.
I don't think we'll get the Kabura or anything like it for many years to come.
Auto-execs just don't know **** about what people really want.
because you touch yourself at night.
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Originally Posted by saturn
I see. So this mythical 2400 lbs car with a hard top and rear wheel drive AND 4 seats is going to magically have as much room as the 8?
This car is getting better and better every time someone talks about it!
This car is getting better and better every time someone talks about it!
Who said seat 4? That is part of the charm of the odd layout in the Kabura... 3+1. Besides... in this segment 2+2 instead of 4 seater is fine.
This isn't so far-fetched...
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Shave weight by NOT using the suicide doors. The extra bracing/stiffening required for not only rear doors (over just sheet metal), but also having them work as b-pillars is a weight penalty. Versus the MX-5... a coupe is lighter than a convertible... less body and chassis stiffening needed.
Who said seat 4? That is part of the charm of the odd layout in the Kabura... 3+1. Besides... in this segment 2+2 instead of 4 seater is fine.
This isn't so far-fetched...
Who said seat 4? That is part of the charm of the odd layout in the Kabura... 3+1. Besides... in this segment 2+2 instead of 4 seater is fine.
This isn't so far-fetched...
You are absolutely right, again. This car won't have much trouble competing. There are many ready to jump ship from their favorite brands at the opportunity for a rear wheel drive entry level sports car. This does not in any way take away from the MX5s sales, nor the 8. It's all very plausable and exciting.