Mazda to Debut new vehicle at LA AUto SHOW!!
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I'll also throw out another possibility into the water:
Mazdaspeed MX-5 (to compete with the Solstice GXP and Sky Redline)
In my opinion though: This is probably either the new Mazda6 or another Kabura-style coupe concept. I doubt it will be a production ready Kabura.
Mazdaspeed MX-5 (to compete with the Solstice GXP and Sky Redline)
In my opinion though: This is probably either the new Mazda6 or another Kabura-style coupe concept. I doubt it will be a production ready Kabura.
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Originally Posted by CERAMICSEAL
Japan8,
You are absolutely right, again. This car won't have much trouble competing. There are many ready to jump ship from their favorite brands at the opportunity for a rear wheel drive entry level sports car. This does not in any way take away from the MX5s sales, nor the 8. It's all very plausable and exciting.
You are absolutely right, again. This car won't have much trouble competing. There are many ready to jump ship from their favorite brands at the opportunity for a rear wheel drive entry level sports car. This does not in any way take away from the MX5s sales, nor the 8. It's all very plausable and exciting.
I did say in one of my first couple of posts...
A RWD competitor to the Scion Tc, Cobalt SS and Civic Si is a very good idea. Many of those buyers jump to RWD (or AWD) sports cars for their next car. They get FWD just because it's all that's available in that segment... not because it's what they like. I know that if the Scion Tc was RWD it'd be more interesting to me. Hell even as much as I hate Honda... if the Civic Si was RWD I'd at least take a look. A Kabura-based car for this segement is a good idea. Whether or not it succeeds... that's another story.
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A little background on this proyect, it started as a new rx-3 coupe ( and idea that may have beeng born on rotary news), and entry level rotary sports car, to introduce the young car buyng people to the rotary and compete in the entry level coupe market wich is huge.
there are many things we know about this program most because of sevenstock, and the guys here, one is that some of mazdas people want a rotary elise or as close as posible, the price to be under 20,000, and the weight to be less than 2,600lbs with a traget of 2,400.
now, some things I was told recently, it has been giveng the green light for a long time now( more than a year), it has gotten a couple of inches bigger keeping the weight at or close to target, improve rotary for rotary version, as well as for second gen rx-8, mazdaspeed 8 to get 23% bump in hp. another one its a little fuzzy, its that they are working on another car base on the rx-8 platform apart from the kabura, this can be a new model or simply the second gen rx-8 wich we know its in development for some time now, people in mazda just dont want to talk about it, like theyre life depended on it, so.......
as far as the weight, they where able to make a 2700 pounds fc in 1985 and a 2600 pounds convertible mx-5 so......
the engine, if mazda does't make a rotary optcion they will shoot there self on the foot.
if this car takes sales from some car its not going to be a mazda if it is a mazda its going to be the 3.
This may or may not be the next step in the kabura proyect ,dont get me rwong, but im sure we will know soong and there are too many proyects in mazdas near future to just guess.
there are many things we know about this program most because of sevenstock, and the guys here, one is that some of mazdas people want a rotary elise or as close as posible, the price to be under 20,000, and the weight to be less than 2,600lbs with a traget of 2,400.
now, some things I was told recently, it has been giveng the green light for a long time now( more than a year), it has gotten a couple of inches bigger keeping the weight at or close to target, improve rotary for rotary version, as well as for second gen rx-8, mazdaspeed 8 to get 23% bump in hp. another one its a little fuzzy, its that they are working on another car base on the rx-8 platform apart from the kabura, this can be a new model or simply the second gen rx-8 wich we know its in development for some time now, people in mazda just dont want to talk about it, like theyre life depended on it, so.......
as far as the weight, they where able to make a 2700 pounds fc in 1985 and a 2600 pounds convertible mx-5 so......
the engine, if mazda does't make a rotary optcion they will shoot there self on the foot.
if this car takes sales from some car its not going to be a mazda if it is a mazda its going to be the 3.
This may or may not be the next step in the kabura proyect ,dont get me rwong, but im sure we will know soong and there are too many proyects in mazdas near future to just guess.
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lol Ike and rotary_crazy certainly live on different planets, that's for sure; Ike's glass barely has any water in it, perhaps also a dead fly, rotary_crazy's is full of bubbling fizzy S. Pellegrino!
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its all in perspective ( spell check) and point of view, ike love his evo, I use to own an evo for a long time and hate it mitsibishi is the worse car company in the wordl in my opinion of course , so.......
now I only told you guys what i investigate for my personal pleasure if it helps others then so be it
but people must remember how the rx-8 was develop, under a shoe string bugget, it is not the case today for those of you that havent please read this:http://rotarynews.com/node/view/797
now I only told you guys what i investigate for my personal pleasure if it helps others then so be it
but people must remember how the rx-8 was develop, under a shoe string bugget, it is not the case today for those of you that havent please read this:http://rotarynews.com/node/view/797
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBigmeat
Okay, I can buy that...but I still tend to think that it would cannibalize a decent bit of RX-8 sales. Both are RWD cars. A 3 seater (or 3+1) would be very nearly as practical as an 8. You'd have less power most likely, but better mileage and less weight. Which brings me to my next point...
I almost wonder...let's say the Kabura (or whatever they actually call it) comes out in 2008 or 2009. By that time, it might be time to redesign the 8. If they have a Kabura, I think they might just move the 8 upscale. Give it a bit more rear legroom perhaps, and a 3-rotor. Basically a RWD car with sedan seating but coupe styling. It would cost more than the current model, but that might be okay if the Kabura has the 8's former price point covered.
Comedy option: 2 seat, shortened RX-8. Cheaper and lighter without the rear seats and doors.
I almost wonder...let's say the Kabura (or whatever they actually call it) comes out in 2008 or 2009. By that time, it might be time to redesign the 8. If they have a Kabura, I think they might just move the 8 upscale. Give it a bit more rear legroom perhaps, and a 3-rotor. Basically a RWD car with sedan seating but coupe styling. It would cost more than the current model, but that might be okay if the Kabura has the 8's former price point covered.
Comedy option: 2 seat, shortened RX-8. Cheaper and lighter without the rear seats and doors.
since the rampant speculation is still on
this is what I have beeng sayng for a long time, the g35c has shown that there is a market for a 32 to 35,000 coupe, mazda should take the rx-8 a level up, make the fenders wider, give it a 3 rotor 300 NA hp, rework the front and back end, give it 2 doors to save weight, this is not that hard!even give it a limitted guarranty like 15,000 miles or something, this would be the mazdaspeed8 and the bases for the next gen rx-8
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
mazda should take the rx-8 a level up, make the fenders wider, give it a 3 rotor 300 NA hp, rework the front and back end, give it 2 doors to save wight, this is not that hard! this would be the mazdaspeed8 and the bases for the next gen rx-8
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
since the rampant speculation is still on
this is what I have beeng sayng for a long time, the g35c has shown that there is a market for a 32 to 35,000 coupe, mazda should take the rx-8 a level up, make the fenders wider, give it a 3 rotor 300 NA hp, rework the front and back end, give it 2 doors to save weight, this is not that hard!even give it a limitted guarranty like 15,000 miles or something, this would be the mazdaspeed8 and the bases for the next gen rx-8
this is what I have beeng sayng for a long time, the g35c has shown that there is a market for a 32 to 35,000 coupe, mazda should take the rx-8 a level up, make the fenders wider, give it a 3 rotor 300 NA hp, rework the front and back end, give it 2 doors to save weight, this is not that hard!even give it a limitted guarranty like 15,000 miles or something, this would be the mazdaspeed8 and the bases for the next gen rx-8
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ah but ike thats sort of the point- LA is trying to up the ante. and geting 8 automakers to confirm debuts there is a big step for the show. plusa they are saying they have more announcements to make suggesting more debuts will be anounced. they are really pushing to take some flash from detroit.
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Originally Posted by zoom44
ah but ike thats sort of the point- LA is trying to up the ante. and geting 8 automakers to confirm debuts there is a big step for the show. plusa they are saying they have more announcements to make suggesting more debuts will be anounced. they are really pushing to take some flash from detroit.
what is in that glass?
what is in that glass?
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to add to the rumor mill, the mazda rotary engine plant has capacity to produce over 10,000 engines a month and last month rx-8 production was just over 1000, im sure mazda wants to built 10,000 rotary engines so a rotary power kabura is more likely now
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
to add to the rumor mill, the mazda rotary engine plant has capacity to produce over 10,000 engines a month and last month rx-8 production was just over 1000, im sure mazda wants to built 10,000 rotary engines so a rotary power kabura is more likely now
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
to add to the rumor mill, the mazda rotary engine plant has capacity to produce over 10,000 engines a month and last month rx-8 production was just over 1000, im sure mazda wants to built 10,000 rotary engines so a rotary power kabura is more likely now
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Originally Posted by zoom44
ah but ike thats sort of the point- LA is trying to up the ante. and geting 8 automakers to confirm debuts there is a big step for the show. plusa they are saying they have more announcements to make suggesting more debuts will be anounced. they are really pushing to take some flash from detroit.
what is in that glass?
what is in that glass?
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I think they are going to debut the all wheel drive hydrogen 1 rotor hybrid CX-9 that is built on a stretched Miata platform rated at 273 hp but really producing 152 hp.
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
Maybe they should start making 3 rotors also, that would take more time per engine and lower their capacity, and at the same time it would use more of the parts they have in inventory.
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IF this "New" model to debut at the LA Show is said to sit between an MX-5 and RX-8, I don't think it could be named an MX-3 (name previously used for the MX-3 1.8V6 in the 1990s, Eunos here in OZ, MX-3 UK)...
Perhaps an MX-7 for the 4 banger, or if this is to be a rotary a RX-7 maybe?
Probably just the CX-9 release....
Perhaps an MX-7 for the 4 banger, or if this is to be a rotary a RX-7 maybe?
Probably just the CX-9 release....