ASH8

Price ratio is the same here..

Diesel acceptance is some what stronger also, but yes, some dumb-*** "motoring public" still associate diesel with dirty noisy trucks and tractors..but is is improving a lot.
As we know it is all to do with marketing.

What does concern me with diesel is the cost of basic service parts and maintenance, filters, etc, are always 50-80% more than gas banger stuff.

ASH8

Oh forgot, and the price of diesel spark plugs are outrageous...and you thought RX-8 iridium's are expensive!!...Shhhheeezzzz..

DocBeech

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^glow plugs you mean right.

MattMPS

quote 1000%. modern diesel are expensive to mantain.

but for the "average user" (long distance on daily basis, speed +o- costant between 50 and 90 km/h) in US, diesel is perfect.

i have still doubts in 100% city use.....

DocBeech

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I will use full size cars to compare this but here you go:

Chevy Volt - MSRP 40,000 dollars. 10 hours to charge. Range is 23-28 miles on full electric. 35City/40Highway MPG.

VW Jetta Gas 2.0 - 22,000 Fully loaded. 23City/34Highway MPG. 115HP/125TQ.
VW Jetta Gas 2.5 - 24,000 Fully loaded. 23City/32Highway MPG. 170HP/177TQ.
VW Jetta TDI - 25,000 Fully loaded. 30City/42Highway MPG. 140HP/236TQ.

Same power but 1K extra gets you 10 MPG difference. The tank holds 14.5 Gallons. So that makes it equal out to 140 more miles per gas tank. I would say that covers the difference over the life of the car.

The Audi A3 TDI totes the same numbers as the VW TDI so I wont put the numbers up for you. But MPG and Engine Performances are the same. Its -2mpg for each on the audi with the same engine. 2.0L TDI Clean Diesel. It is however a 30,000 Dollar car.

I cant see paying 20K more for the Chevy Volt when it takes 10 hours to charge it, vs paying 1K more for the VW Jetta TDI when you are going to get 140 more mpg per tank vs a car of similar size. By the way the fuel mileage only goes down when you bump up to 3.0 and 3.5L similar sized sedans from any company.

If you do all city driving thats equal to 160 Gallons of gas a year highway driving or 600 dollars a year in todays gas prices. If you do all city driving its 224 gallons a year or 850 dollars a year in savings in todays gas prices. So in almost a year the car itself will cover the extra 1K you paid for diesel. (I calculated based on filling up once a week). That 10 MPG is equal to a 50% increase over city driving and 33% increase in fuel economy for highway driving vs the comparable gas models. The price difference in regular and diesel fuel here in Dallas is about 20 cents. That more than covers the difference in fuel mileage you will see here.

DocBeech

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If your wondering I checked edmunds and found this on the Prius:

2011 Prius Generation 5 for the same features as the 2011 VW TDI Clean diesel is 34,000 Dollars at about 44-45 MPG. I cant see paying 10K more for 2 more MPG highway sorry. Plus not only do you have to think about the engine, but also the 3000 dollar battery replacement cost (not including labor).

Edmunds true cost to own:

Prius Year 1: 15,313 Year 2: 6,600 Year 3: 6,300 Year 4: 6,100 Year 5: 6,300 Total: 40,000

VW TDI Year 1: 9,800 Year 2: 6300 Year 3: 6100 Year 4: 6400 Year 5: 6800 Total 35,000

This includes cost to own, maintain, and depreciation. The prius cost 5000 more most of it is depreciation and maintenance. (Year 1 is high because of depreciation in general for the first year you own the car). The fuel costs on average for the test vehicles were the same. The fuel mileage is not a big enough difference to make a difference. So you are looking at paying 5 grand more to maintain the vehicle, and 10 grand more just to buy the vehicle.

DocBeech

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Now lets take everything we learned here and apply it to the new sky active. 20% increase of the markets general fuel mileage now is 50Highway/36City. That would be a savings of about 50 more dollars a year on top of your 850 dollars a year. So your talking about saving 900 dollars a year in fuel. Plus they claim more power, but I didn't see exactly how much. It has numbers that top the prius plus twin turbos which will increase your power. Sounds to me like its going to be a really fun engine with great fuel mileage to boot.

nycgps

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only idiots would get a Volt. it went from the original cool (it did look cool in CONCEPT) to pure garbage (looks like **** now) , not to mention they lied and it came from a pure EV to a god damn plug in Hybrid. Speaking of that, I love how often our government create double standards. They have the ***** to call Volt an EV ...

and the price ... is simply not worth it.

I rather get a Leaf and call it a day oh yes I tried Leaf when I was at NY auto show this year, tbh it really surprised me of how quiet and stable the car is, if they have more charging station I really don't mind getting one. we'll see in a couple of years.

Mazda should just release the Sky-D first, I'm really looking forward to it.

nycgps

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Japanese are good at driving cost down

We will see when it's release.

ZumnRx8

Lmao^

kvndoom

See, this is the mindset of an *educated* shopper. Unfortunately that does not make up the masses. The masses will look at the fuel price at the gas station and say "nope, the diesel costs too much" and get the gas engine that will actually cost them more in the long run.

MattMPS

excuse me nycgps, do you live in Central NY? (Manhattan or the other central boroughs).
because from what i remember the conditions of the traffic are "not-so-good" for a diesel engine .

i have some scary stories about the DPF of MZR-CD 2.0 mounted into Mazda6 first gen (GG platform).
the dpf of that car cant' have a correct "clean" process if used on heavy urban use with a lot of stop / queques...

diesel is PERFECT on an expressway/extraurban use......

BTW the 2.2 MZR-CD seems a lot better on that problem......

nycgps

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yep, New york city here

well, I'm sure Mazda figured something out for that, they came up with the lowest compression ratio for diesel. they should have ways to fight those city driving problem off.

Again, will see when it's release.

nycgps

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yep, pretty much

sorry to say but majority of car buyers are dumb, Just think of it, some woman just walk into a dealership and ask the sales which one is the biggest SUV, when she doesn't have kids, single, live alone and don't go out much. some sales told me that story.