RWatters

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I think it would have been absolute genius if Ferrari released the information, paid the guy to take the fall, and everything ended like this. Not saying it happened, but it'd sure be crazy if it did. Conspiracy theorists unite!

I'd imagine Renault would take Alonso back. They've already admitted to cheating themselves, anyways.

Razz1

Speed Spying

Football Spying

Gary Bonds Steroids

Shows that cheaters win unless they get caught.

Maclern already has championships
Gary Bonds still plays
New England Patriots still have their Super Bowl Champioships.

Another tell tale sign from God the end is near.

DemonRX-8

This is just what I've heard whenever the fine was mentioned on TV. And the fact that McLaren had all but wrapped up the manufacturer's championship makes it a very real fine.

Reuters article, click here: However, it said in a statement that the sum would be "less the FOM (Formula One Management) income lost as a result of the points deduction".

alnielsen

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Ecclestone was source of spy email tip-off
Alonso showed emails to Ecclestone first

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...19200007.shtml

n the 13 September hearing, which resulted in McLaren's constructors' championship exclusion and record $100m fine, it emerged that Bernie Ecclestone may also have been involved in informing the FIA about the incriminating emails between Pedro de la Rosa and Fernando Alonso....
But Dennis suggested in Paris that "Bernie said that he may have seen something" and that he "would pass it to Max (Mosley)".
"I do not know what that is," the McLaren boss added. "I do know that Bernie said it was in Spanish, but I do not know how this material came to the knowledge of the FIA," he added, also in the presence of Ecclestone, who is F1's Chief Executive.

Also.....
Elsewhere in the transcripts, when it was clear that exclusion from the 2007 and 2008 championships was a real threat for McLaren, engine partner Mercedes-Benz's Norbert Haug spoke about the impact that it would have on formula one.
In a possible reference to McLaren-Mercedes' alliance with Prodrive, he said: "We are speaking to a second team now; as you know, there are other issues in Formula One now.
"This is not a threat; this comes from my heart."

nu2rx8

Got news for Alonso if he thinks going back to Renault will solve all of his problems...Heikki is no slouch and Nelsinho was just as quick as Hamilton in GP2 (just more erratic and on a worse team). Flav must have promised him M.Schumacher status in the team, something Alonso was an opponent of until mid-2007.

nu2rx8

Check out Ron Dennis' description of life this year with Alonso...

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=32875

Phil_Hendrie_is_back

What would happen if a young, new challenger arose out of nowhere in Lance Armstrong's Tour de France team?

It was always Lance's way or the highway. Some riders have had to leave the team because they wanted to try to win. Everyone on Armstrong's teams existed to serve Armstrong.

Even Ferrari sabotaged Felipe Massa on purpose to make it clear that Kimi Raikkonen is the number one. Why couldn't Ron Dennis make it clear to Hamilton that Hamilton has to pay his dues?

nu2rx8

I totally get what you're saying in regards to cycling...there were a few talented guys that had to leave us postal/ discovery in order to have a real shot at the gc title. IMHO there are just a few things that differ btw that and with the Mclaren situation this year:
1) Lance brought sposors/ money to the team...aside from Banco Santander sposorship, i doubt that Alonso had much impact on Mclarens budget this year over previous years.

2) Ron Dennis (like Frank Williams) has always professed drivers get eqaul staus in the team. No matter if it was Prost v. Lauda, Prost v. Senna, Senna v. Andretti (haha) or Hakkinen v. Coulthard...Why should Alonso rec'v more favor than Lauda, Prost or Senna?

3) Lastly Alonso signed up for equal treatment. I'm guessing at the time he signed he expected to drive against Montoya or De la Rosa...In this case bad luck on his part.

RX-Hachi

In a sense, Alonso did just that. The FIA cut a deal with the drivers. In exchange for their evidence, they promised the drivers would not be punished. That's why only the constructor's points were stripped, not the driver's points.

IMHO, both drivers did probably gain some advantage from this information. Perhaps a better approach would have been to strip one win from both Hamilton and Alonso. That still keeps the drivers championship alive down to the wire, but at least it evens things up a bit for Kimi and Felipe.

But I think the FIA really wanted to nail Ron Dennis, the evil genius behind McLaren.

Phil_Hendrie_is_back

Did you read the speech of Hamilton's QC (whatever the hell a QC is), Mark Phillips, to the FIA? He may have saved the driver's title competition for Hamilton and Alonso.

Now that's how you write and speak persuasively!

nu2rx8

Wouldn't it be great if the BMW drivers dominated the final three rounds? That would probaly restore some faith in the series. I know wishful thinking but still...

BlueRenesis82

Well, maybe you wouldn't understand this, but your teammate is the FIRST person you want to beat. It doesn't look very good when your teammate in the same car is doing better than you are. You always want to be the #1 driver for your team, job security and more money are nice rewards.

BlueRenesis82

You honestly believe that having a 2 time World Driving Champion driving for your team would have NO impact on the sponsors that you would sign?

BlueRenesis82

Who is Gary Bonds?

Phil_Hendrie_is_back

I think he means Gary Ponds.

BlueRenesis82

So we have a Ferrari fan in our midst

nu2rx8

Yep I actually do. They are the Mercedes factory team so its not like Alonso went to Super Aguri, here. Most of Mclaren's corporate partners have been there for years except for Santander. I also think they were working to swipe Vodafone from Ferrari prior to Alonso's signing. Also, Alonso is a $20M+ man, rightly so as a world champ. The salary step-up from Kimi to Alonso would obviously eat into some of the new money he attracted anyway.

alfy28

I understand what you are saying, but to run your own team mate off the track , just to be ahead of him is going kinda of far dont you think? he already cut off hamilton from the start off (which is ok in my book)

alonso was suppose to be the big dog at Mercedes team, and a rookie is taking all the spot light from alonso. but to purposely run somone off the track is going way to far in my eyes. plus say that hamilton didnt catch what alonso was doing, alonso could of taken out both cars for selfish ways. that only shows that he is jealous of hamilton, and doesnt care for the team as a whole.

Phil_Hendrie_is_back

I'm not sure Alonso is jealous of Hamilton. Alonso knows he is a better driver than Hamilton but the world doesn't know it. That would **** him off. Insiders know that Alonso's more aggressive style makes it harder on him when F1 changed to Bridgestone tires, which are not as sticky as the old Michelins. The Bridgestones suit Hamilton's driving style. Alonso has had the bigger adjustment, actually, and has done a superb job of adjusting. Alonso is the better driver.

BlueRenesis82

Not at all, Alonso has made no secret that he is unhappy at McLaren, and plus with them not able to win the constructor's championship, he is just going for broke to grab that driver's title.

RWatters

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It could have been Alonso's mother beside him in that car and he would have done the same thing. He does what it takes to win. Period. Schumacher did the same exact thing.

Phil_Hendrie_is_back

Anyway, Alonso is going to Ferrari next year. I predict he will not only defeat Hamilton next year but also get into a bunch of head games and issues with Kimi Raikkonen. Kimi will give him the iceman nerves of metal treatment and Alonso will get freaked out and paranoid and there will be a lot of **** again. In the end, Alonso will establish himself as Ferrari's number one.

DemonRX-8

Hmmm, Flavio breeds a two time world champion who moves on to an illustrious career at Ferrari - where have I heard this before?

Razz1

When are they going to take away the Super Bowl Championship from the cheaters?

Jedi54

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^^^ 2nd tuesday of next week