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Old 10-25-2005, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ECHO1
you want everyone to grow up? who's racing "sports cars" in a mini-van on the way to the club w/ trance pounding out the windows?
LOL... got em dead to rights
Old 10-25-2005, 09:30 AM
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are u saying grown ups can't go clubbing?? LOL you need a life sir. if racing was only for kids, there wouldn't be many racing fans in the world, would there? you are basically saying ferrari is making their cars for kids... hmm..... very good one Echo1.


*edit: there is a section in this forum just for interior upgrades and engine modifications. and many of the members have posted their topics. so i am guessing all of you are kids, if i must refer to what you are saying?

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LOL--
Seriously though, this thing is basically the strongest minivan ever--and most expensive. Sure there will be a couple on the road--but at that price, its a niche vehicle. I've seen one driving--and it was probably the $50K R350. This van won't make or break MB and they are AMGing it with the R63 as well. MB is kind of like a kid with extra legos sitting around after the main model is built.
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Originally Posted by ECHO1
the r500 is basically an answer to a question that no one's asking,
Thats a pretty good way of summing it up.... As Dre said, it wont make or break MB, but thats a project I wouldnt have touched if I were a shot caller at Daimler
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MB has been so good at making a niche market. it's been its history.

same thing goes with the ML the SUV, no one had luxury SUV in the market. I didn't think i would ever buy one, but now i have one.

I'm not saying this R will succeed 100% for their sales. but this is a niche that MB just created, again.
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Originally Posted by termigni
MB has been so good at making a niche market. it's been its history.

same thing goes with the ML the SUV, no one had luxury SUV in the market. I didn't think i would ever buy one, but now i have one.

I'm not saying this R will succeed 100% for their sales. but this is a niche that MB just created, again.
What do you call Range Rovers then?
Old 10-25-2005, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by termigni
are u saying grown ups can't go clubbing?? LOL you need a life sir. if racing was only for kids, there wouldn't be many racing fans in the world, would there? you are basically saying ferrari is making their cars for kids... hmm..... very good one Echo1.


*edit: there is a section in this forum just for interior upgrades and engine modifications. and many of the members have posted their topics. so i am guessing all of you are kids, if i must refer to what you are saying?
I guess you missed the memo. Street racing isn't to be discussed on the forum man. Whether or not you think these guys are immature, or they think you are immature is irrelevant. Let's keep this on topic. I think this vehicle will fail and be discontinued after 2 years, maybe 3. There is not enough of a market for it.
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Originally Posted by NomisR
What do you call Range Rovers then?
I never was a fan on the Range Rovers, but they are the originators(I think). Their designs bore me though. I've never ridden in one, so the ride quality/interior and the like are foreign to me.
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I found the review I read of it. It's from Octobers EVO Magazine.
Mercedes-Benz R-Class
It's huge, it's got four-wheel drive, but what's the point?

What's this mammoth device you see here? It's the new R-class, M-B's 15th unique model range. It has arisen from a 2002 concept called Vision GST, or Grand Sports Tourer. It could equally stand for Giant Sports Tourer. But what is it? Estate car? SUV? MPV?

All of the above, is the answer. Here we have the most crossed-over of crossovers, the car that can do everything provided you live somewhere spacious, like the US where the four-wheel drive R-class is made; it's an inch short of 17 feet long. Admittedly that's for the long-wheelbase version, but even the Europe-only SWB R-class busts the 16ft barrier.

The style disguises the bulk a bit, but the key to the R-class's appeal is its interior space. It's a six-seater in three rows of two, and the front four chairs give space and comfort akin to Club Class on a 747. The rearmost pair are pretty good, too, with adult-size headroom and enough leg space even for a six-footer sitting behind another six-footer. That's in the LWB version, anyway; the SWB is 235mm shorter overall so some of the R-class's USP is lost. Neither version will be able to swallow six well-heeled people's luggage, though.

Naturally, the seats slide and fold in usual MPV fashion to make a big load bay, but the centre-row seat-fold needs some strength and skill to deploy. There's an optional

removable centre storage box with cupholders between these seats, matching the fixed one between the front seats, which adds to the R-class's vibe of long-distance usefulness.

These US-spec cars had softer dampers, thinner anti-roll bars and lighter steering than Euro-spec cars will have, but the two sampled engines - R350 V6 and R500 V8 - are the same. Europe will get an R320 CDI turbodiesel, too.

First off, the 306bhp V8. It's a smooth, torquey device able to haul the R500's 2240kg bulk with surprising vigour and without forever hunting up and down the seven-speed automatic transmission on difficult roads. Nor do you need to rescue it with manual gearchange intervention, which is good because the side-to-side rocker switches on the back of the steering wheel's spokes are hopeless.

The R350's engine struggles despite its ample 272bhp, and the endless gearchanges are tiresome and not always smooth. It feels a bit wieldier in corners but you're still aware of the bulk. The US-spec dampers give a good ride when you're ambling but they feel like they've covered 100,000 miles if you up the pace on a poorly-surfaced road. As for off-road driving, this isn't really in the R-class's remit despite the four-wheel drive.

So, why is it a 4x4? Because US buyers believe four-wheel drive is the only way to stay safe in a big car. And the customer, of course, is always right.

-Words/Pictures: John Simister/Andy Morgan

EVO RATING
2/5 stars
+:Imposing and versatile, rapid V8
-Not much luggage space six up
Like they said, what's the point?
Old 10-25-2005, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueEyes
I found the review I read of it. It's from Octobers EVO Magazine.


Like they said, what's the point?
Haha, that's a pretty good review.
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Originally Posted by NomisR
What do you call Range Rovers then?
British?

seriously, can we stay on this topic?

fyi, even though Range was around, Range Rovers did not revolutionize the luxury SUV industry. MB did back in 1997. the classic Range was sold till 1996 in parallel with the P38 Range. Range came out with their P38 in 1994 and was not so successful nor set any trends. When BMW took over Range Rover, that's when they started to make real Luxury SUV(MKIII) in 2002.
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Originally Posted by Aoshi Shinomori
I think this vehicle will fail and be discontinued after 2 years, maybe 3. There is not enough of a market for it.
great opinion, let's see if that happens.
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