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#152
Originally Posted by IkeWRX
I never doubted that the Mazda 3 is next, I just fail to see how Mazda is doing them in order... I do however have doubts that there will ever be a Mazdaspeed 8, at least not one with much in the way of HP gains.
I actually see Mazda dropping the rotary in North America once again..... unfortunately
#154
Originally Posted by rotary crazy
nope, there will be another mazdaspeed rx-8, the cuestions are will it be turbo? and come to the us?
#156
Originally Posted by Deslock
It's not a myth... initial RENESIS development was already underway when Ford decided to kill the rotary in 1995 (as part of its plan to return Mazda to profitability). A handful of die-hard rotary engineers continued its development on their own time with a small budget that they snuck past management (by allocating almost everything under miscellaneous). Eventually, a couple racing enthusiast Ford managers - who recognized that without the rotary, Mazda would lose its identity - went to bat for the project. This book covers RX8 and rotary history in detail.
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
Mazda has never stopped producing Rotaries, the 3rd generation RX-7 was sold in Japan, Australia and New Zealand until 2002 then production was stopped to start selling the RX-8 as a 2003 model.
Selling the same car with minor upgardes is not continuous development (In that case, the Cavalier must have been an amazing work of engineering). Remember- the 3rd gen FD RX-7 could not be sold in North America due to emission issues. Mazda would have loved to keep it in the North American lineup if it was able to pass emission requirements, and there was no money for R&D to make it pass.
It is true that some Mazda engineers worked on the Renesis on their own time when Ford told them to stop working on the engine (on company time). At some point, a Ford manager saw the work and saw promise, and then convinced Ford to allow the engine developement to be brought back into the company. But Mazda was forced to make a four seater 'sedan' for the Renesis, because Ford wanted the engine to be proven and the market to accept it before Mazda sold it in a more serious sports car. I also beleive Ford wanted the RX-8 to be more of a niche vehicle, and not pose any serious sales threat to the Mustang. A lighter two seater RX_ would be a much better competitor to the new Mustang.
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
Mazda has never stopped producing Rotaries, the 3rd generation RX-7 was sold in Japan, Australia and New Zealand until 2002 then production was stopped to start selling the RX-8 as a 2003 model.
Just to add to what BRealistic wrote, the 4-door design hadn't been conceived at that point, though they had already developed the RX-01 concept: an inexpensive, lightweight 4-seater with a normally aspirated multi-sideport rotary engine that used a dry sump lubrication system (allowing the engine to be mounted lower). The RX-01 also had the engine and fuel tank within the wheelbase to reduce polar moment of inertia.
#159
Originally Posted by NoTears316
If it makes you feel better, Mitsubishi's 4 door "family car" (Lancer EVO) will easily outperform thier "sports car" (Eclipse).
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Originally Posted by BRealistic
Selling the same car with minor upgardes is not continuous development (In that case, the Cavalier must have been an amazing work of engineering). Remember- the 3rd gen FD RX-7 could not be sold in North America due to emission issues. Mazda would have loved to keep it in the North American lineup if it was able to pass emission requirements, and there was no money for R&D to make it pass.
And they did continuously develop the 13B-REW engine with upgraded OMP system, twin turbo system, vaccum line black box, ECU, intake, exhaust, etc. Not mentioning the upgrades to the chassis, suspension, brakes and interior.
The Type R Bathrust and the Spirit R were the pinnacle of RX-7's being the lightest, fastest and best handling ever.
It is true that some Mazda engineers worked on the Renesis on their own time when Ford told them to stop working on the engine (on company time). At some point, a Ford manager saw the work and saw promise, and then convinced Ford to allow the engine developement to be brought back into the company. But Mazda was forced to make a four seater 'sedan' for the Renesis, because Ford wanted the engine to be proven and the market to accept it before Mazda sold it in a more serious sports car. I also beleive Ford wanted the RX-8 to be more of a niche vehicle, and not pose any serious sales threat to the Mustang. A lighter two seater RX_ would be a much better competitor to the new Mustang.
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C&D
0-60 in 5.4 seconds
400m(1/4) in 14.0 seconds @ 99 mph
.87g skidpad
5-60 in 6.9 seconds
R&T gave it a
0-60 in 6.0 seconds
400m (1/4) in 14.2 seconds @ unknown.
Ambient temp for C&D was most likely in the 40-50F (Nov/Dec in ohio), unknown for R&T.
Btw unless you want to get really mad at C&D, don't read what place the MPS 6 is in, you'll just get pissed off and want to send hate mail.
C&D
0-60 in 5.4 seconds
400m(1/4) in 14.0 seconds @ 99 mph
.87g skidpad
5-60 in 6.9 seconds
R&T gave it a
0-60 in 6.0 seconds
400m (1/4) in 14.2 seconds @ unknown.
Ambient temp for C&D was most likely in the 40-50F (Nov/Dec in ohio), unknown for R&T.
Btw unless you want to get really mad at C&D, don't read what place the MPS 6 is in, you'll just get pissed off and want to send hate mail.
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Originally Posted by zoom44
but it got top points in 1/4 mile acceleration and performance and 9 out of 10 in handling. tied for 2nd in fun to drive and got beat in ammenities.
Great, so why buy the car... If it's performance you're after first and foremost you're not going to buy it, if it's amenities you're after you're not going to buy it either. The only people that buy it are going to be people that are already loyal to Mazda and want a sportier sedan than the Mazda 6S. Also, C&D really likes the Mazda 6 so I'm a bit shocked at its 4th place showing.
#168
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Wow. I can't believe how many of these sedans can do 0-60 in less than 6 seconds these days. And now the V6 Accord does it too? What the hell is the point of even buying a sports car anymore?
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Originally Posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
Wow. I can't believe how many of these sedans can do 0-60 in less than 6 seconds these days. And now the V6 Accord does it too? What the hell is the point of even buying a sports car anymore?
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I never really paid any attention to the sedan market but I guess I should now. There are also plenty in the low 6s...like the GTP and Cobalt SS. Damn. I never thought those cars would be a close call against ours.
Oh well...at least we still have the handling and good looks, right?
Oh well...at least we still have the handling and good looks, right?
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Originally Posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
I never really paid any attention to the sedan market but I guess I should now. There are also plenty in the low 6s...like the GTP and Cobalt SS. Damn. I never thought those cars would be a close call against ours.
Oh well...at least we still have the handling and good looks, right?
Oh well...at least we still have the handling and good looks, right?
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Just for ***** n giggles...
Stock 6s MTX's are also running in the high 14's. Fastest stock time was around 14.75 @ 95 mph. Seems the engines are a bit on the weak side for the first thousand miles or so...dyno's at 15k+ are upwards of 10-15 whp higher then those below 5,000 on the odo.
Stock 6s MTX's are also running in the high 14's. Fastest stock time was around 14.75 @ 95 mph. Seems the engines are a bit on the weak side for the first thousand miles or so...dyno's at 15k+ are upwards of 10-15 whp higher then those below 5,000 on the odo.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Great, so why buy the car... If it's performance you're after first and foremost you're not going to buy it, if it's amenities you're after you're not going to buy it either. The only people that buy it are going to be people that are already loyal to Mazda and want a sportier sedan than the Mazda 6S. Also, C&D really likes the Mazda 6 so I'm a bit shocked at its 4th place showing.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
My 95 Maxima ran low 6s 0-60 and was capable of high 14s in the 1/4, this is nothing new... It's also a big part of the reason why you hear people say the RX-8 is underpowered.
I agree, the Accords and Maximas have been pretty fast for a while-
I think the funny thing is that when comparing cars as quick as the rx8, the rx8 is called underpowered. I.e., your 95 Maxima wasn't underpowered- its quick. But people seem to leave with the impression with these comparisons that the rx8 is slow. The Accord v6 isn't underpowered its well powered. So the fact that it gets times close to the 8 doesn't bother me. It should. I.e., when making the comparisons to cars with similar times, there seems to be an impression that the 8 is slow. Its not that its slow, there are just some other cars just as quick....
I guess it has to do with a lot of peoples expectations that the car should be faster. which is fine by me, and understandable.
But at the end of the day, in my opinion, anything in the 6 or high fives and 14s is still quick. Do i wish it was quicker? sure and yes its annoying when cars like the cobalt are coming close and my Moms v6 accord, but instead of worrying about that and feeling the rx8 slow, i just view those cars as just as quick.
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Originally Posted by Dinhx8
I think the funny thing is that when comparing cars as quick as the rx8, the rx8 is called underpowered. I.e., your 95 Maxima wasn't underpowered- its quick. But people seem to leave with the impression with these comparisons that the rx8 is slow. The Accord v6 isn't underpowered its well powered. So the fact that it gets times close to the 8 doesn't bother me. It should. I.e., when making the comparisons to cars with similar times, there seems to be an impression that the 8 is slow. Its not that its slow, there are just some other cars just as quick....
I guess it has to do with a lot of peoples expectations that the car should be faster. which is fine by me, and understandable.
But at the end of the day, in my opinion, anything in the 6 or high fives and 14s is still quick. Do i wish it was quicker? sure and yes its annoying when cars like the cobalt are coming close and my Moms v6 accord, but instead of worrying about that and feeling the rx8 slow, i just view those cars as just as quick.
I guess it has to do with a lot of peoples expectations that the car should be faster. which is fine by me, and understandable.
But at the end of the day, in my opinion, anything in the 6 or high fives and 14s is still quick. Do i wish it was quicker? sure and yes its annoying when cars like the cobalt are coming close and my Moms v6 accord, but instead of worrying about that and feeling the rx8 slow, i just view those cars as just as quick.