Motor Trend: BMW 1 vs. Mitsu Evo
04-17-2008, 10:19 AM
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The GT-R comes with a dual clutch gearbox conceptually just like the EVO's. It's not a traditional automatic. That said, the BMW's automatic is very good, but I would still prefer their new dual clutch gearbox that they're putting in next year's M3 over both the automatic and the manual. I test drove an automatic 135i, because that's all they had for me to drive and I was still very impressed.
I drive a manual now and if I buy the 135i, I'll probably get it in manual trim, but I'm going to drive one before I commit.
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I drive a manual now and if I buy the 135i, I'll probably get it in manual trim, but I'm going to drive one before I commit.
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'regular' automatics are certainly better than what they were a generation ago, and in many cases the objective performance gaps compared to manual counterparts have gotten very slim. but for many folks it's all about the subjective *feel* and *control* of a standard tranny. Most auto trannys i've driven will still upshift at the redline regardless of driver's intention, or will briefly delay a prompted downshift if it 'thinks' it shouldn't be downshifting.
Dual-Clutch semiautomatic gearboxes look to be a very nice compromise; I'm looking forward to trying out Mitsu's version. Hoping it will offer 'full manual' control of gear selection, at least moreso than, say, VAG's DSG.
04-17-2008, 10:40 AM
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^ ^ ^ What he said ^ ^ ^
'regular' automatics are certainly better than what they were a generation ago, and in many cases the objective performance gaps compared to manual counterparts have gotten very slim. but for many folks it's all about the subjective *feel* and *control* of a standard tranny. Most auto trannys i've driven will still upshift at the redline regardless of driver's intention, or will briefly delay a prompted downshift if it 'thinks' it shouldn't be downshifting.
Dual-Clutch semiautomatic gearboxes look to be a very nice compromise; I'm looking forward to trying out Mitsu's version. Hoping it will offer 'full manual' control of gear selection, at least moreso than, say, VAG's DSG.
'regular' automatics are certainly better than what they were a generation ago, and in many cases the objective performance gaps compared to manual counterparts have gotten very slim. but for many folks it's all about the subjective *feel* and *control* of a standard tranny. Most auto trannys i've driven will still upshift at the redline regardless of driver's intention, or will briefly delay a prompted downshift if it 'thinks' it shouldn't be downshifting.
Dual-Clutch semiautomatic gearboxes look to be a very nice compromise; I'm looking forward to trying out Mitsu's version. Hoping it will offer 'full manual' control of gear selection, at least moreso than, say, VAG's DSG.
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