New KF 2017 CX-5 and diesel official.
#252
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Mazda to recall 640,000 Diesels Engine Worldwide due to valve spring issues.
It is this sort of **** that could be the end of Mazda as this cost (none of it) is not recoverable as the parts are self made (Mazda cant recoup from third party).
Then the actual labor cost...
Mazda already lost millions in the recent floods, 44,000 cars not made, then the Takata recall
https://www.aol.com/article/finance/...ssue/23583804/
It is this sort of **** that could be the end of Mazda as this cost (none of it) is not recoverable as the parts are self made (Mazda cant recoup from third party).
Then the actual labor cost...
Mazda already lost millions in the recent floods, 44,000 cars not made, then the Takata recall
https://www.aol.com/article/finance/...ssue/23583804/
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hoping to see the Grand Touring Reserve and Signature trims at the LA auto show at the end of the month.
#254
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I mean, I went to see a Mazda 6 GT 2.5T with a friend yesterday and it's pretty nice inside. The salesman made sure to mention that since Mazda lacks a luxury brand, they are trying to make the higher-trim 6 more luxurious. It definitely looks more classy than an Accord or a Camry.
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unknown: absolutely! Mazda has been trying to move up-market for years and when you compare their designs and especially the interiors of today vs where they were just 5 or 8 years ago it's night and day.
I got into a CX-9 signature at the LA auto show 2 years ago and then immediately got into a new BMW X series and Mazda is right on par with them. Sure the bimmer has some newer tech but the car was also 25k more than the mazda.
I'm happy to see Mazda making strides in this area and I might even add a new Mazda to my garage some time soon.
I got into a CX-9 signature at the LA auto show 2 years ago and then immediately got into a new BMW X series and Mazda is right on par with them. Sure the bimmer has some newer tech but the car was also 25k more than the mazda.
I'm happy to see Mazda making strides in this area and I might even add a new Mazda to my garage some time soon.
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There is a minor thing I like about Mazda as well: a lot of their cars are manufactured in Japan.
Cars made in Japan have very good finishes. You don't(or at least much less likely) have crap like uneven gaps, panels that don't attach, etc. I know this stuff happens a lot with the Accord(manufactured in the US). Even my old Accord Coupe has one side of the hood higher up than the other side and there were no accidents on the record. My RX-8 by comparison doesn't have anything like that.
Cars made in Japan have very good finishes. You don't(or at least much less likely) have crap like uneven gaps, panels that don't attach, etc. I know this stuff happens a lot with the Accord(manufactured in the US). Even my old Accord Coupe has one side of the hood higher up than the other side and there were no accidents on the record. My RX-8 by comparison doesn't have anything like that.
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There is a minor thing I like about Mazda as well: a lot of their cars are manufactured in Japan.
Cars made in Japan have very good finishes. You don't(or at least much less likely) have crap like uneven gaps, panels that don't attach, etc. I know this stuff happens a lot with the Accord(manufactured in the US). Even my old Accord Coupe has one side of the hood higher up than the other side and there were no accidents on the record. My RX-8 by comparison doesn't have anything like that.
Cars made in Japan have very good finishes. You don't(or at least much less likely) have crap like uneven gaps, panels that don't attach, etc. I know this stuff happens a lot with the Accord(manufactured in the US). Even my old Accord Coupe has one side of the hood higher up than the other side and there were no accidents on the record. My RX-8 by comparison doesn't have anything like that.
Always felt the same way. I want my Japanese cars made in Japan, and I want my German cars made in Germany. You essentially have to murder someone to get fired from american auto manufacturing thanks to unions. There was an old saying about buying an american manufactured car. You don't want one built on a Monday or a Friday.
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^Basically why I wouldn't consider or recommend a Tesla Model 3. Mismatched interior panels, interior mirrors falling off(at least on earlier models)... HTF does that even make past QC(if there even is one)? Especially for a car that's not priced that high? People say these cars are made in tents for a reason.
Anyway, it's a shame that my local dealer's sales department sucks. Catalogue not properly updated, and they wouldn't budge the price. My friend even showed them a dealer in Vancouver that's selling the same trim Mazda 6 for CAN$4000 cheaper, and he even said if you price match with them, it's a done deal. Still wouldn't budge on the price, so my friend basically said "Well f**k you too" and is checking with the Vancouver dealer.
My friend also researched and he said that the 6 also doesn't offer very good value compared to the competitors. I guess it has to do with the fact that most people still don't consider 6 to be a luxury car. He said the interior noise is also a bit higher but I don't really recognize that. Our local dealer has 4 Mazda 6 in stock along with about 30 Mazda 3. Supposedly the 3 sells a lot better, and the SUV frenzy also dented all the mid-size Sedan sales.
Anyway, it's a shame that my local dealer's sales department sucks. Catalogue not properly updated, and they wouldn't budge the price. My friend even showed them a dealer in Vancouver that's selling the same trim Mazda 6 for CAN$4000 cheaper, and he even said if you price match with them, it's a done deal. Still wouldn't budge on the price, so my friend basically said "Well f**k you too" and is checking with the Vancouver dealer.
My friend also researched and he said that the 6 also doesn't offer very good value compared to the competitors. I guess it has to do with the fact that most people still don't consider 6 to be a luxury car. He said the interior noise is also a bit higher but I don't really recognize that. Our local dealer has 4 Mazda 6 in stock along with about 30 Mazda 3. Supposedly the 3 sells a lot better, and the SUV frenzy also dented all the mid-size Sedan sales.
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wtf.
CARB just issued a cert for the CX-5 Diesel. https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad...160_diesel.pdf
CARB just issued a cert for the CX-5 Diesel. https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad...160_diesel.pdf
#260
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So CX-5 is gonna have 4 engine options? Pretty damn diverse for an SUV.
2.0, 2.5, 2.5T and 2.2D?
2.0, 2.5, 2.5T and 2.2D?
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I hate to admit it but I think the Diesel is dead for Mazda in the US.
they got EPA certification a while back but then it disappeared from the 2019 specs so I think Mazda pulled the plug. Only thing I can think of is since it had already begun the certification process, they just wanted to see it through.
I honestly (at this point) can't see them actually selling the 2.2D here in the states especially given what the EPA fuel figures came out as. They were laughable compared to the 2.5NA
they got EPA certification a while back but then it disappeared from the 2019 specs so I think Mazda pulled the plug. Only thing I can think of is since it had already begun the certification process, they just wanted to see it through.
I honestly (at this point) can't see them actually selling the 2.2D here in the states especially given what the EPA fuel figures came out as. They were laughable compared to the 2.5NA
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I am still hopeful - Mazda's PR person in some article I read and cannot find mentioned another engine option and confirmed it through head of marketing. Fingers crossed.
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...my evil plan is to get one of those SkyActivX HCCI when it "comes out in the USA" and switch the fuel pump, rail, and injectors to run Diesel! Diesel want solved!
#265
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Efficiency? I can imagine SPCCI having very good efficiency as well, and any hybrid cars will give you much better efficiency in stop-and-go city driving.
Fuel? Diesel isn't much cheaper, and in some cases are more expensive. It's also generally less available than gasoline. We don't live in Europe, either.
Fun? Yep, sure is a lot of fun to rev a diesel to its sky-high 5k RPM redline.
Towing? Unless you have that much stuff to tow on a regular basis, I have seen Prius towing a small trailer. Any gas engined car will have some towing capability as well.
I get that this is a joke, but if you actually make a mod like that... It's not worth a single cent for anything.
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Let's be real for a second. Why do you like diesel for passenger cars so much?
Efficiency? I can imagine SPCCI having very good efficiency as well, and any hybrid cars will give you much better efficiency in stop-and-go city driving.
Fuel? Diesel isn't much cheaper, and in some cases are more expensive. It's also generally less available than gasoline. We don't live in Europe, either.
Fun? Yep, sure is a lot of fun to rev a diesel to its sky-high 5k RPM redline.
Towing? Unless you have that much stuff to tow on a regular basis, I have seen Prius towing a small trailer. Any gas engined car will have some towing capability as well.
I get that this is a joke, but if you actually make a mod like that... It's not worth a single cent for anything.
Efficiency? I can imagine SPCCI having very good efficiency as well, and any hybrid cars will give you much better efficiency in stop-and-go city driving.
Fuel? Diesel isn't much cheaper, and in some cases are more expensive. It's also generally less available than gasoline. We don't live in Europe, either.
Fun? Yep, sure is a lot of fun to rev a diesel to its sky-high 5k RPM redline.
Towing? Unless you have that much stuff to tow on a regular basis, I have seen Prius towing a small trailer. Any gas engined car will have some towing capability as well.
I get that this is a joke, but if you actually make a mod like that... It's not worth a single cent for anything.
#267
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I have chatted to a few taxi drivers as sometimes I have to take taxis. They all said these cars keep going with zero problems, and they travel more than 300 miles every single day without rest. Many Toyota hybrids even get bought out by the drivers after they retire from taxi duties.
If anything, lots of diesel engines have problems with carbon buildup from what I have seen, and some of these buildups will actually clog the EGR, etc. That's not cheap to fix.
And on the flip side, wouldn't that mean you have to compete against semi-trucks and hope they don't suck up all the diesel before you get there?
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Cx - 4
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See x four indeed. Mazda being a small company - I'm surprised they're able to offer so many SKUs. It would be far cheaper for them to offer fewer and produce them (less footprint, more often, etc). I wonder if they're going to drop another model off the list like the CX3 once the CX4 is announced.
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It's official - the CX-5 Diesel is available for preorder. https://www.mazdacx-5diesel.com/
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The only downsides are: (1) it starts at $41300USD, (2) three colors available, (3) MPG is not much better than the CX-5 gas (we knew that), (4) only a 2 yr/30K mile warranty.
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Car and Driver review here: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...l-photos-info/
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Yeah that's a questionable move by Mazda. Why release this so late in the engines life cycle? I know they've made revisions along the way but SkyActiv Gen 2 is due out in 2020.
That price tag is shocking for a CX-5 given it only gets you 3 mpg more and the 2.5T has better hp/tq at a cheaper fuel cost in CA which is a major market for Mazda.
That price tag is shocking for a CX-5 given it only gets you 3 mpg more and the 2.5T has better hp/tq at a cheaper fuel cost in CA which is a major market for Mazda.
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The accountants - make some profit after filing all that $$$ paperwork. Instead of that projects InternalOrder profit center having a -$3623453 amount, it might have only -$748453. Less loss. (calculations assume a profit of 5750 per car to Mazda corporate and a sale of 500 cars in 2019/20.).