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07-15-2011, 12:51 PM
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07-15-2011, 01:55 PM
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I didn't think anyone in this discussion had said "never". At least I didn't.
Never is an operation of forever, which is unknowable.
This is a discussion about the immediate succession of the RX-8, which goes out of production presently.
What they might do in 2020 or whatever is not up for discussion here.
Never is an operation of forever, which is unknowable.
This is a discussion about the immediate succession of the RX-8, which goes out of production presently.
What they might do in 2020 or whatever is not up for discussion here.
07-15-2011, 01:57 PM
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Perhaps I misunderstood your words when you posted this bit in red:
I've been wrong and misinterpreted stuff before.
I'm quite happy with "optimism" and all, but there has been nothing but clear, constant communication from every angle - the manufacturer, the market, the economy, the enviro-fascists - that the rotary is dead.
It was dead in 2008, but the re-tooling of the RX-8 was a low cost way to prolong the return on the initial buy-in for the RX-8.
It was dead in 2008, but the re-tooling of the RX-8 was a low cost way to prolong the return on the initial buy-in for the RX-8.
07-15-2011, 02:01 PM
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Ok guys, here are some news. Please read from the source link below...
Source: http://www.daily-autonews.com/latest...hnologies.html
There has been a change in technology to improve the new Rotary...
Source: http://www.caradvice.com.au/125120/m...nition-report/
hope the link comes up right this time.
Source: http://www.daily-autonews.com/latest...hnologies.html
There has been a change in technology to improve the new Rotary...
the upcoming rotary sports car would use a “special kind of ignition system”. This special ignition is expected to be applied to Mazda’s latest rotary engine development, an engine dubbed the 16X Renesis.
Using laser ignition could allow the new rotary to pass the latest and upcoming emissions regulations, such as the Euro 5 and Euro 6, both of which the current Mazda RX-8 is unable to pass. Reports say the technology could provide a more complete and more controlled method of ignition for each combustion chamber, and help the new rotary run leaner and thus more efficiently.
Using laser ignition could allow the new rotary to pass the latest and upcoming emissions regulations, such as the Euro 5 and Euro 6, both of which the current Mazda RX-8 is unable to pass. Reports say the technology could provide a more complete and more controlled method of ignition for each combustion chamber, and help the new rotary run leaner and thus more efficiently.
hope the link comes up right this time.
07-15-2011, 02:06 PM
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Have you even followed any of the other threads around this topic?That is a great idea - take a motor that is already legendary for its reliability problems and put an experimental ignition system into it that that is more expensive than the motor itself and doubles the complexity of the engine management. All to just try to keep up with what a piston motor can already accomplish in terms of emissions, power and torque with a 1980's-vintage distributor?
07-15-2011, 02:19 PM
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This one tells more...
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2011...aser-ignition/
I guess you can say "Saved by the bell(laser)"
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2011...aser-ignition/
I guess you can say "Saved by the bell(laser)"
is that a high-power laser can generate the temperatures needed in lieu of an electric spark to ignite the air/fuel mixture in the Renesis. In turn, that would permit the new engine to run extremely lean – which translates into significantly better mileage if it can work.
Using a laser for the rotary engine “was absolutely possible,” the source told AutoCar.
Using a laser for the rotary engine “was absolutely possible,” the source told AutoCar.
07-15-2011, 02:24 PM
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SaveTheRotary...
Again, I agree with your desire to have the rotary return.
But you are shooting us in the collective foot with the garbage you are posting.
You are hurting us more than you are helping. Everything you are posting is either proven false already, nothing more than sheer rumor, or outlandish claims.
Please stop.
Again, I agree with your desire to have the rotary return.
But you are shooting us in the collective foot with the garbage you are posting.
You are hurting us more than you are helping. Everything you are posting is either proven false already, nothing more than sheer rumor, or outlandish claims.
Please stop.
07-15-2011, 02:44 PM
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07-15-2011, 02:59 PM
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The "press" (i.e. just about any car blog or magazine) has always latched onto a single piece of information and spun whole acres of rumors off of it, feeding off of each other, reposting old information as new, and generally muddying the waters.
I wasn't lying or exaggerating about a single point in the list of "what I have heard" posted earlier today. They have been at this rumor mongering for a LONG time.
You are new to it, and perpetuating the problem because you haven't been seeing all of this for the past several years like the rest of us.
I wasn't lying or exaggerating about a single point in the list of "what I have heard" posted earlier today. They have been at this rumor mongering for a LONG time.
You are new to it, and perpetuating the problem because you haven't been seeing all of this for the past several years like the rest of us.
07-15-2011, 03:00 PM
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A big block Chevy is more reliable cheaper to maintain and will have the same or more WHP than a Ferrari 458. I it will bolt right on into the Ferrari.... Would you swap a Chevy on the Ferrari?
IT JUST DOES'T FEEL THE SAME!
The S2K K24 engine is a great engine. The guys at K20.org are swapping it into anything, even Fiats. I do love Hondas but the Mouth Gargling sound they produce is not as exiting, thrilling or fascinating as a Ferrari or a Hayabusa bike.
Mazda has done a lot of work on the intake, but have not done a lot of work refining the exhaust to show new buyers how unique this engine is, to show how special is what's under the Hood.
Nissan has done a great Job with that. I wish Maeda can do it too.
IT JUST DOES'T FEEL THE SAME!
The S2K K24 engine is a great engine. The guys at K20.org are swapping it into anything, even Fiats. I do love Hondas but the Mouth Gargling sound they produce is not as exiting, thrilling or fascinating as a Ferrari or a Hayabusa bike.
Mazda has done a lot of work on the intake, but have not done a lot of work refining the exhaust to show new buyers how unique this engine is, to show how special is what's under the Hood.
Nissan has done a great Job with that. I wish Maeda can do it too.
Ummmm, you are all over the place and really don't make much sense at all. Oh, and BTW, the S2000 does not have K series motor. The K series is for FWD platforms. The S2000 uses and F20C or F22C1.
07-15-2011, 03:08 PM
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There is no fight per say. You either like the rotary or don't. It's always been that way and always will be.
The side port design is a compromise. The rotary works best in PP form for both intake and exhuast. It's not surprising the issues w/ carbon and heat on the seal on the side of the rotor (oil, scraper, and side seals) with the side exhaust ports. I wish Mazda would get rid of them entirely, but unfortunately they eliminate overlap therefor help w/ emissions (which I could care less about). The FD had 2 cats for this reason and the FC had 3, 2 precats! This is why the older cars respond so well to exhaust mods.
The rotary isn't as efficient but it can move a lot of air and rev high and smooth which is why it is such a great road course motor. Mazda knows this, but is trying to adapt it to stop and go low rpm driving. It does not shine is this aspect with it's low torque in the low end and high heat production. Again stuff most already know, but I forget it, when talking to people with no rotary knowledge, because I over look these faults as I love the engines so much.
Plus the American public remembers the Muscle car era where hp/torque numbers were large because the motors where the size of small cars today. The rotary will never fit this category. Its small compact and can fit into a small sports car (not a muscle car, but a sports car that can handle corners). Since it doesn't fit the muscle car category it is dismissed as a woman's car.
I like the way Mazda is going w/ lighter weight cars and hopefully they give us a great new rotary engine. If not I may stuff one into a new miata. Who knows, but Mazda always has the platform correct for handling. I do believe they will bring another rotary out weather its the 16X or 13B or 24A who knows but with the heritage and dedication they have with this little engine I cannot see them stopping.
The side port design is a compromise. The rotary works best in PP form for both intake and exhuast. It's not surprising the issues w/ carbon and heat on the seal on the side of the rotor (oil, scraper, and side seals) with the side exhaust ports. I wish Mazda would get rid of them entirely, but unfortunately they eliminate overlap therefor help w/ emissions (which I could care less about). The FD had 2 cats for this reason and the FC had 3, 2 precats! This is why the older cars respond so well to exhaust mods.
The rotary isn't as efficient but it can move a lot of air and rev high and smooth which is why it is such a great road course motor. Mazda knows this, but is trying to adapt it to stop and go low rpm driving. It does not shine is this aspect with it's low torque in the low end and high heat production. Again stuff most already know, but I forget it, when talking to people with no rotary knowledge, because I over look these faults as I love the engines so much.
Plus the American public remembers the Muscle car era where hp/torque numbers were large because the motors where the size of small cars today. The rotary will never fit this category. Its small compact and can fit into a small sports car (not a muscle car, but a sports car that can handle corners). Since it doesn't fit the muscle car category it is dismissed as a woman's car.
I like the way Mazda is going w/ lighter weight cars and hopefully they give us a great new rotary engine. If not I may stuff one into a new miata. Who knows, but Mazda always has the platform correct for handling. I do believe they will bring another rotary out weather its the 16X or 13B or 24A who knows but with the heritage and dedication they have with this little engine I cannot see them stopping.
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07-15-2011, 03:19 PM
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You don't have to "like" or "dislike" a motor. It is just a lump of aluminum and iron.
Despite what most fanbois of various other platforms (and, seemingly, ALL fanbois of the rotary), you can be completely objective about all powerplants just as you can about anything else.
I do not dislike the rotary any more than I like the LS7 or the F20C. It is just another mill to me.
07-15-2011, 03:24 PM
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I can accept and understand this.
But not everyone sees engines as dispassionately as you do.
If you can agree that there are people that passionately hate an engine (however irrational), then logically you would have to agree that there are people on the other end of the scale (however irrational). Just as I disagree with your personal coldly logical way of viewing engines, you disagree with my passionate way of viewing engines.
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07-15-2011, 06:19 PM
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This thread brings to mind an "inspirational" poster I saw a few days ago. I'm sure you have all already seen it but it was new to me and I laughed...I'm gonna go find it. And I'll brb.
