NO RX-9, slight chance for RX-7
05-31-2011, 07:17 PM
#126
I'll be the first to eat my words too and publicly if proven wrong.
Paul.
05-31-2011, 07:23 PM
#127
Yeah, it sucks that manufacturers exaggerate mileage figures but honestly if you have a lead foot the mileage in any car will go down significantly. I'm not sure how accurate the system is in the 3 but my GF has a 2010 Mazda 3 2.5 and my average fuel economy dodging through traffic yesterday was only about 22MPG 
The display said her average MPG was 29MPG She drives very slow.
The display said her average MPG was 29MPG
She drives very slow.my foot is ultra heavy?! or my 3 having some problem ... OMG I'm so gonna complain to Mazda about my **** poor MPG !!!!
Will driving ultra slow gimme 29 mpg ... hmm ... in NYC is just not really possible ... all these crazy fuxks just want to cut u whenever and u gotta brake all the time + u get a red light every 10 seconds or so ...
I think you might want to reexamine your understanding of history. You are quite off from reality on that one.
05-31-2011, 07:41 PM
#128
Yeah, it sucks that manufacturers exaggerate mileage figures but honestly if you have a lead foot the mileage in any car will go down significantly. I'm not sure how accurate the system is in the 3 but my GF has a 2010 Mazda 3 2.5 and my average fuel economy dodging through traffic yesterday was only about 22MPG
The display said her average MPG was 29MPG She drives very slow.
The display said her average MPG was 29MPG
She drives very slow.
06-01-2011, 12:06 AM
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That said, I get better mileage in my RX-8 than the EPA sticker. Go figure...
06-01-2011, 12:13 AM
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Considering the amount of power I've seen pulled from an S2K motor you'll be able to scale the car to whatever power levels you need.
This should be interesting.
06-01-2011, 01:18 AM
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I am SO glad that Mazda does not and will not need to rely on previous owners of rotary powered vehicles to sell future rotary powered vehicles. Ash, you know I consider you a friend but I have to differ with you on this one. There has been significant improvement made in hp, fuel economy and emissions already with 16X. Will it be enough to be called a 'Sky' engine (Skyactiv-R)? We'll see.
I'll be the first to eat my words too and publicly if proven wrong.
Paul.
I'll be the first to eat my words too and publicly if proven wrong.
Paul.
I want to see it continue (not as a Hybrid Toyota...lol, it would want to be special).
Again, I just cant see the business case for one at the moment.
BTW..
Mazda does not need this crap...
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11105313...rt#commentform
06-01-2011, 01:31 AM
#134
there are plans for hybrid sportscars in many R&D offices around the world (Ferrari and Porsche included).
I don't see where is the problem of an hybrid rotary, hybrid dont' mean necessarily "Prius feel" IMHO.
in another topic i've posted links about an Hybrid LMP1 car...
I don't see where is the problem of an hybrid rotary, hybrid dont' mean necessarily "Prius feel" IMHO.
in another topic i've posted links about an Hybrid LMP1 car...
06-01-2011, 08:02 AM
#137
there are plans for hybrid sportscars in many R&D offices around the world (Ferrari and Porsche included).
I don't see where is the problem of an hybrid rotary, hybrid dont' mean necessarily "Prius feel" IMHO.
in another topic i've posted links about an Hybrid LMP1 car...
I don't see where is the problem of an hybrid rotary, hybrid dont' mean necessarily "Prius feel" IMHO.
in another topic i've posted links about an Hybrid LMP1 car...
Paul.
06-01-2011, 08:05 AM
#139
Mazda used Rx-8 to test the market to see if something like "this" would work. a sporty car, seats 4.
but again the biggest problem is ... the car has no power, precisely, no torque. This is not 1980s. and it's kinda sad to say I think my FC make about the same if not a bit more torque than my 8. and my FC is 20 f-king years old.
most of us might not "cared" about the torque. most car buyers do and that kills the sales.
I mean if they can somehow come up with at least 250 ft lbs of torque on a less than 3000 lbs body (2700 preferred) that will be awesome, and the car will sell like hot cakes.
It's possible IF Mazda really do what they said ----- use higher tensile strength steel that's also lighter. and maybe some Dry carbon parts. I don't mind to pay 40 K for the next Rotary Engine car, as long as they make it "worth while"
oh and I think Mazda should really release a bit more info about the 16x by now. its been 2 yrs ...
but again the biggest problem is ... the car has no power, precisely, no torque. This is not 1980s. and it's kinda sad to say I think my FC make about the same if not a bit more torque than my 8. and my FC is 20 f-king years old.
most of us might not "cared" about the torque. most car buyers do and that kills the sales.
I mean if they can somehow come up with at least 250 ft lbs of torque on a less than 3000 lbs body (2700 preferred) that will be awesome, and the car will sell like hot cakes.
It's possible IF Mazda really do what they said ----- use higher tensile strength steel that's also lighter. and maybe some Dry carbon parts. I don't mind to pay 40 K for the next Rotary Engine car, as long as they make it "worth while"
oh and I think Mazda should really release a bit more info about the 16x by now. its been 2 yrs ...
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06-01-2011, 08:10 AM
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nycgps...
You were there for the dyno at Lime Rock, and saw the log sheets. How many of the other cars that people pulled up were significantly more powerful than the 8? Even noticably more powerful? Even the cop car didn't really beat us by much. There were only 3 cars, THREE! all weekend (60 something cars) that were above this magical 300hp mark that everyone says "must be achieved for it to succeed".
You were there for the dyno at Lime Rock, and saw the log sheets. How many of the other cars that people pulled up were significantly more powerful than the 8? Even noticably more powerful? Even the cop car didn't really beat us by much. There were only 3 cars, THREE! all weekend (60 something cars) that were above this magical 300hp mark that everyone says "must be achieved for it to succeed".
06-01-2011, 08:53 AM
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nycgps...
You were there for the dyno at Lime Rock, and saw the log sheets. How many of the other cars that people pulled up were significantly more powerful than the 8? Even noticably more powerful? Even the cop car didn't really beat us by much. There were only 3 cars, THREE! all weekend (60 something cars) that were above this magical 300hp mark that everyone says "must be achieved for it to succeed".
You were there for the dyno at Lime Rock, and saw the log sheets. How many of the other cars that people pulled up were significantly more powerful than the 8? Even noticably more powerful? Even the cop car didn't really beat us by much. There were only 3 cars, THREE! all weekend (60 something cars) that were above this magical 300hp mark that everyone says "must be achieved for it to succeed".
that might be true BUT you gotta remember there were a lot of cars there that can go WAY above what we made. They just weren't on the Dyno. Forget about the 3 R8/4 R35/Ferrari/Other Supercars at the place. on the way to the grid/padlock, most of the BMWs even some Camry can beat us on the Dyno left & right ...
and the cop car ... like u said it's some 20 yr old pos and they will probably trash it soon anyway (government has no money right now, but that's whole other issue)
Like I said, my FC makes about the same torque as my 8, That's just sad. but consider we share the same 13B so ...
06-01-2011, 08:59 AM
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Which series S2 engine is that Jeff?
We have a club member with a centrifulcul super charger on his and it is sweet. He also has a water oil intercooler. Like any non FI engine--it has to be built for it, but his is a sweet ride and no temp issues. Pretty fast too. I am glad you didnt go with a v/8.
Your purchase of the 8 sounds lodgical. I understand.
Maybe another source of revenue for you will be this engine swap kit?
I never new it would bolt to the trans--thats a biggee.
No one is having trouble out of the 09 and later engines are they?
We have a club member with a centrifulcul super charger on his and it is sweet. He also has a water oil intercooler. Like any non FI engine--it has to be built for it, but his is a sweet ride and no temp issues. Pretty fast too. I am glad you didnt go with a v/8.
Your purchase of the 8 sounds lodgical. I understand.
Maybe another source of revenue for you will be this engine swap kit?
I never new it would bolt to the trans--thats a biggee.
No one is having trouble out of the 09 and later engines are they?
06-01-2011, 09:02 AM
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Which series S2 engine is that Jeff?
We have a club member with a centrifulcul super charger on his and it is sweet. He also has a water oil intercooler. Like any non FI engine--it has to be built for it, but his is a sweet ride and no temp issues. Pretty fast too. I am glad you didnt go with a v/8.
Your purchase of the 8 sounds lodgical. I understand.
Maybe another source of revenue for you will be this engine swap kit?
I never new it would bolt to the trans--thats a biggee.
No one is having trouble out of the 09 and later engines are they?
We have a club member with a centrifulcul super charger on his and it is sweet. He also has a water oil intercooler. Like any non FI engine--it has to be built for it, but his is a sweet ride and no temp issues. Pretty fast too. I am glad you didnt go with a v/8.
Your purchase of the 8 sounds lodgical. I understand.
Maybe another source of revenue for you will be this engine swap kit?
I never new it would bolt to the trans--thats a biggee.
No one is having trouble out of the 09 and later engines are they?
06-01-2011, 10:20 AM
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As an average consumer, I almost skipped the 8. Probably like many people, I assumed it was too cramped to really work for four people, and too sedan-ish to really work as a sports car. I figured if I wanted a sedan, I'd get a sedan... or if a sports car, I'd get a "real" one.
But then on a whim, I actually took one out for a test drive "just for fun," and well... you know how that goes, lol. You fall in love with that magical "feeling" of driving one you all know about, but really can't describe. But as an average consumer, I almost missed out on it.
Personally, I'd buy another 8 (four seater, same idea) if they perfected the reliability and improved the efficiency, even if that meant a little LESS power. I remember reading that the guy designing the 8 had in mind people who loved sports cars when young, but needed something more practical now as they grew older. I figure the "bar" has moved even a little more now, and us "aging" folk lol basically want an improved 8 without the first-generation problems and fuel milage
06-01-2011, 10:34 AM
#150
It is an F20C
Not until you are way past 500 HP. In stock form, the S2K motor is nearly bulletproof.
The problem is - the American market wants stuff in their vehicles that is antithetical to a light chassis.
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