Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
03-30-2009, 06:20 AM
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WHAT!!!!!!...I can see the 10 spot penalty for the incident, but 50k for driving with a damaged car??? Gimmie a break, you're right, they should have black flagged him and been done with it. That's an error on the part of the stewarts, not the driver or team. Hell, how many times have we seen a 3 wheeled car limping back to the pits...I commend the guy for giving it a go, now he should move the hell out of the way for the other cars, but my hats off to the guy for trying to get it across the line. That's just BS....they should have flagged him.
03-30-2009, 06:53 AM
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It was the excellent decision to keep running. Since it was yellow-flag and safety car noone was allowed to pass the limping three-wheeler. If he had been allowed to continue he would have ended in the points with his car.
I applauded his determination to try to at least bring the car home, no matter what. And as for the incident it was a race incident. It happens. Kubica saw that Vettel would not back down. He knew the car had no grip since it was flinging its tail at every turn (the reason Kubica was catching up). Still he did not hold out any margin of error at all. If Kubica had held furthest to the left he would have gotten the inner line in the next bend and the pass would be completed.
Really sucky driving from Kubicas part and Vettel takes the blame. Do note, I don't want Kubica penalized either. Race incidents happen.
Here is Schumachers thoughts of it:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...30100621.shtml
I applauded his determination to try to at least bring the car home, no matter what. And as for the incident it was a race incident. It happens. Kubica saw that Vettel would not back down. He knew the car had no grip since it was flinging its tail at every turn (the reason Kubica was catching up). Still he did not hold out any margin of error at all. If Kubica had held furthest to the left he would have gotten the inner line in the next bend and the pass would be completed.
Really sucky driving from Kubicas part and Vettel takes the blame. Do note, I don't want Kubica penalized either. Race incidents happen.
Here is Schumachers thoughts of it:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...30100621.shtml
03-30-2009, 08:55 AM
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WHAT!!!!!!...I can see the 10 spot penalty for the incident, but 50k for driving with a damaged car??? Gimmie a break, you're right, they should have black flagged him and been done with it. That's an error on the part of the stewarts, not the driver or team. Hell, how many times have we seen a 3 wheeled car limping back to the pits...I commend the guy for giving it a go, now he should move the hell out of the way for the other cars, but my hats off to the guy for trying to get it across the line. That's just BS....they should have flagged him.
03-30-2009, 12:03 PM
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As a former Flag Marshal, I can give you a little incite on this. The only flags that the corners can put out on their own is the yellow/Caution, blue/passing, red & white striped/slippery and the white/ambulance or slow moving vehicle flags. The only place that a mechanical black flag can be shown is at the bridge (Start/Finish Line). In some series, a black flag can be shown at a corner if the race is red flagged. Sometimes there is a designated corner which will be instructed, by the chief steward, to show a black flag or a mechanical black flag (a black flag with a red circle on it, the meatball flag) to a car. While I had the opportunity to work at the USGP, back in the 80's, I declined so I could watch the race on TV. Working at a GP makes for a very long day. Longer than other pro or amateur race weekends.
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03-30-2009, 12:18 PM
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Schumacher thoughts doesnt count they are both German 
. Iam polish so I know a lil bit about our neighbours.
The only thing kubica could do is to wait for a better moment to pass vettel. He got the fastest laps on this race. So he should wait fo a better moment. It was stupid for both of them to get in a accident and they will both have the podium. I hope they will get the lesson.
. Iam polish so I know a lil bit about our neighbours.The only thing kubica could do is to wait for a better moment to pass vettel. He got the fastest laps on this race. So he should wait fo a better moment. It was stupid for both of them to get in a accident and they will both have the podium. I hope they will get the lesson.
03-30-2009, 12:44 PM
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Schumacher thoughts doesnt count they are both German . Iam polish so I know a lil bit about our neighbours.
The only thing kubica could do is to wait for a better moment to pass vettel. He got the fastest laps on this race. So he should wait fo a better moment. It was stupid for both of them to get in a accident and they will both have the podium. I hope they will get the lesson.
. Iam polish so I know a lil bit about our neighbours.The only thing kubica could do is to wait for a better moment to pass vettel. He got the fastest laps on this race. So he should wait fo a better moment. It was stupid for both of them to get in a accident and they will both have the podium. I hope they will get the lesson.
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03-30-2009, 03:09 PM
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Power!!
I was definitely disappointed in the over officiating after the fact yesterday. McLaren didn't protest and was told to give the spot back to Trulli for pete's sake!! And what's with the crazy penalty on Vettel after the fact?? It seemed like they were both racing hard and Vettel was inside with no place to go. How is he at fault? It just seemed like hard racing. Nothing like making up the rules after the race...
03-30-2009, 04:19 PM
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Appeal in doubt, but Toyota's Trulli claim valid
March 31, 2009 12:05 AM
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Toyota faces an uphill battle to appeal its lost Melbourne podium, but the Japanese team does have a valid case to argue.
Jarno Trulli's third place and champagne celebrations became twelfth on the official classification, after stewards ruled he illegally overtook Lewis Hamilton behind the safety car.
The Italian had been running third when the safety car came out late in the race, but he dropped behind the McLaren driver in an off-track moment.
"Trulli took back the place under the safety car," said McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh at the time of the investigation.
The stewards of the meeting agreed, promoting Hamilton to third, but Trulli insisted that he only passed the Briton because he had "suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road."
"I thought he had a problem," the 34-year-old said, "so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."
The rules permit overtaking under the safety car in those sorts of circumstances.
The problem for Toyota is the inadmissibility of appeals for post-race 25-second penalties, because if the incident had occurred earlier in the race, the penalty would have taken the form of a drive-through, which is not subject to appeal.
Toyota snuck in its appeal through a loophole, by lodging it not with the stewards of the meeting, but with the local clerk of the course.
The team has two days to formalise its appeal in writing.
If its allows the appeal, the Court of Appeal would be faced with a difficult decision. Hamilton has been quoted by Speed TV as admitting that - after passing Trulli following the Toyota's off - he was then "told (by McLaren) to let him back past."
Hamilton presumably then pulled over and slowed, which would seem to corroborate Trulli's explanation that he only passed the Briton because "there was nothing else I could do."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090331....li-claim-valid
March 31, 2009 12:05 AM
Filed Under: F1
Toyota faces an uphill battle to appeal its lost Melbourne podium, but the Japanese team does have a valid case to argue.
Jarno Trulli's third place and champagne celebrations became twelfth on the official classification, after stewards ruled he illegally overtook Lewis Hamilton behind the safety car.
The Italian had been running third when the safety car came out late in the race, but he dropped behind the McLaren driver in an off-track moment.
"Trulli took back the place under the safety car," said McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh at the time of the investigation.
The stewards of the meeting agreed, promoting Hamilton to third, but Trulli insisted that he only passed the Briton because he had "suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road."
"I thought he had a problem," the 34-year-old said, "so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do."
The rules permit overtaking under the safety car in those sorts of circumstances.
The problem for Toyota is the inadmissibility of appeals for post-race 25-second penalties, because if the incident had occurred earlier in the race, the penalty would have taken the form of a drive-through, which is not subject to appeal.
Toyota snuck in its appeal through a loophole, by lodging it not with the stewards of the meeting, but with the local clerk of the course.
The team has two days to formalise its appeal in writing.
If its allows the appeal, the Court of Appeal would be faced with a difficult decision. Hamilton has been quoted by Speed TV as admitting that - after passing Trulli following the Toyota's off - he was then "told (by McLaren) to let him back past."
Hamilton presumably then pulled over and slowed, which would seem to corroborate Trulli's explanation that he only passed the Briton because "there was nothing else I could do."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090331....li-claim-valid
03-31-2009, 06:26 AM
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As a former Flag Marshal, I can give you a little incite on this. The only flags that the corners can put out on their own is the yellow/Caution, blue/passing, red & white striped/slippery and the white/ambulance or slow moving vehicle flags. The only place that a mechanical black flag can be shown is at the bridge (Start/Finish Line). In some series, a black flag can be shown at a corner if the race is red flagged. Sometimes there is a designated corner which will be instructed, by the chief steward, to show a black flag or a mechanical black flag (a black flag with a red circle on it, the meatball flag) to a car. While I had the opportunity to work at the USGP, back in the 80's, I declined so I could watch the race on TV. Working at a GP makes for a very long day. Longer than other pro or amateur race weekends.
COOOL MAN...That's awesome! I can imagine you've seen some pretty scarey moments.
03-31-2009, 06:42 AM
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...and as far as the Truli/Hamilton thing goes...I think they were both confused at the time. ...and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but under the safety car, if Truli went off for one reason or another, and he could continue, I would assume he should be able to take the third place back...since they are not under race conditions and everyone is supposed to remain in cue. Hamilton, having flashbacks himself when it comes to passing under unusual circumstances and wondering if he would get introuble for taking third, I think he made the safe bet and let Truli through. And one thing I'd like to reference is when Montoya spun during the pre-race reconnaissance lap a couple of years back, he was allowed to resume his place on the grid. Granted it wasn't a safety car period, but the cars were supposed to remain in cue. So all in all, I think Truli should have 3rd place, he was just resuming his position under the safety. Now had the same incident happened under race conditions, the yeah, Hamilton should have third...and I imagine he wouldn't have slowed anyway.
04-01-2009, 07:37 AM
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04-01-2009, 11:15 AM
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Kubica's contract could be terminated after mid-season
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Kubica's contract could be terminated after mid-season
By BMWF1Talk
April 1 2009
A member of our site, which we cannot mention, revealed us what somehow could be a boom for the BMW Sauber camp.
Apparently, as it's coming from sources related to sponsorship agency in Poland, who is currently finalizing some advertising and media contracts involving Kubica and his new sponsor... All we can tell the company is working on broadcast sponsorship deal with TV for races as early as.... June!!!
That seems to be the main reason why Brawn could not agree Brunno Senna deal with his Brazilian sponsors. They had pre-agreed obligations toward that seat. Barrichello agreed to a rolling (race by race) contract as he had nothing better to choose from other than retirement.
Kubica's management agreed conditional deal with BMW for 2009, during late summer, when Kubica was extremely disappointed with Team. The deal says, he can leave before mid season, if BMW is being behind Honda as per performance measures defined in 2009 option contract.
The additional condition is the if Kubica decides to take an option of moving, he will have to return his compensation from 6 months prior move.
The deal that seems to be purely academic for whole winter, got new fuel in due to what happened when performance of both teams was revealed in the season opener.
Remember. You heard it first here...
It may become an April Fools story...or it may not. Future will tell.
Kubica's contract could be terminated after mid-season
By BMWF1Talk
April 1 2009
A member of our site, which we cannot mention, revealed us what somehow could be a boom for the BMW Sauber camp.
Apparently, as it's coming from sources related to sponsorship agency in Poland, who is currently finalizing some advertising and media contracts involving Kubica and his new sponsor... All we can tell the company is working on broadcast sponsorship deal with TV for races as early as.... June!!!
That seems to be the main reason why Brawn could not agree Brunno Senna deal with his Brazilian sponsors. They had pre-agreed obligations toward that seat. Barrichello agreed to a rolling (race by race) contract as he had nothing better to choose from other than retirement.
Kubica's management agreed conditional deal with BMW for 2009, during late summer, when Kubica was extremely disappointed with Team. The deal says, he can leave before mid season, if BMW is being behind Honda as per performance measures defined in 2009 option contract.
The additional condition is the if Kubica decides to take an option of moving, he will have to return his compensation from 6 months prior move.
The deal that seems to be purely academic for whole winter, got new fuel in due to what happened when performance of both teams was revealed in the season opener.
Remember. You heard it first here...
It may become an April Fools story...or it may not. Future will tell.
04-01-2009, 11:17 AM
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Sepang slams Malaysia's waning F1 interest
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...01110327.shtml
Sepang slams Malaysia's waning F1 interest
''The F1 race has been put aside'' - Razali
01/04/09 11:03
Harsh words regarding the tourism ministry
Government support for Malaysia's Formula One race has waned, according to Sepang circuit boss Razlan Razali.
It has been a quiet promotional build-up to the 2009 edition, and Razali blames the Malaysian government's indifferent tourism ministry. Recent reports indicate that ticket sales are also down.
"There's only so much that we can do," he told the New Straits Times.
"We simply don't have the budget to transform KL (Kuala Lumpur) into an F1 city. We don't see the tourism ministry doing their part, although this is an event that has direct impact on their area and it helps them the most," Razali added.
He said the government has not been involved at all in the promotion of the race overseas.
"The F1 race has been put aside," said Razali.
Sepang slams Malaysia's waning F1 interest
''The F1 race has been put aside'' - Razali
01/04/09 11:03
Harsh words regarding the tourism ministry
Government support for Malaysia's Formula One race has waned, according to Sepang circuit boss Razlan Razali.
It has been a quiet promotional build-up to the 2009 edition, and Razali blames the Malaysian government's indifferent tourism ministry. Recent reports indicate that ticket sales are also down.
"There's only so much that we can do," he told the New Straits Times.
"We simply don't have the budget to transform KL (Kuala Lumpur) into an F1 city. We don't see the tourism ministry doing their part, although this is an event that has direct impact on their area and it helps them the most," Razali added.
He said the government has not been involved at all in the promotion of the race overseas.
"The F1 race has been put aside," said Razali.
04-01-2009, 11:30 AM
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Kubica's contract could be terminated after mid-season
By BMWF1Talk
April 1 2009
A member of our site, which we cannot mention, revealed us what somehow could be a boom for the BMW Sauber camp.
Apparently, as it's coming from sources related to sponsorship agency in Poland, who is currently finalizing some advertising and media contracts involving Kubica and his new sponsor... All we can tell the company is working on broadcast sponsorship deal with TV for races as early as.... June!!!
That seems to be the main reason why Brawn could not agree Brunno Senna deal with his Brazilian sponsors. They had pre-agreed obligations toward that seat. Barrichello agreed to a rolling (race by race) contract as he had nothing better to choose from other than retirement.
Kubica's management agreed conditional deal with BMW for 2009, during late summer, when Kubica was extremely disappointed with Team. The deal says, he can leave before mid season, if BMW is being behind Honda as per performance measures defined in 2009 option contract.
The additional condition is the if Kubica decides to take an option of moving, he will have to return his compensation from 6 months prior move.
The deal that seems to be purely academic for whole winter, got new fuel in due to what happened when performance of both teams was revealed in the season opener.
Remember. You heard it first here...
It may become an April Fools story...or it may not. Future will tell.
Kubica's contract could be terminated after mid-season
By BMWF1Talk
April 1 2009
A member of our site, which we cannot mention, revealed us what somehow could be a boom for the BMW Sauber camp.
Apparently, as it's coming from sources related to sponsorship agency in Poland, who is currently finalizing some advertising and media contracts involving Kubica and his new sponsor... All we can tell the company is working on broadcast sponsorship deal with TV for races as early as.... June!!!
That seems to be the main reason why Brawn could not agree Brunno Senna deal with his Brazilian sponsors. They had pre-agreed obligations toward that seat. Barrichello agreed to a rolling (race by race) contract as he had nothing better to choose from other than retirement.
Kubica's management agreed conditional deal with BMW for 2009, during late summer, when Kubica was extremely disappointed with Team. The deal says, he can leave before mid season, if BMW is being behind Honda as per performance measures defined in 2009 option contract.
The additional condition is the if Kubica decides to take an option of moving, he will have to return his compensation from 6 months prior move.
The deal that seems to be purely academic for whole winter, got new fuel in due to what happened when performance of both teams was revealed in the season opener.
Remember. You heard it first here...
It may become an April Fools story...or it may not. Future will tell.