alfy28

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090401....ian-grand-prix

nico to bore us with his video (jk)

PerSmitt

A harsh but fair ruling:

Hamilton has been stripped of all points from the first race and Trulli is reinstated at third position.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...02110240.shtml

ATL-GP

...really, I mean were any of these guys watching what happened!! I agree, Trulli should have kept third, but damn, why did they take away ALL points from Hamilton. McLaren must have submitted and presented a shadey *** argument...but the radio communications are now supposed to be open, couldn't the FIA listen and make the determination for themselves? I will say this, if McLaren DID try something underhanded, then OH HELL YEAH, take points and give them the 25 second penalty. I'm all about punishing a cheat, but the stewards and the FIA should have done their "due diligence" from the beginning. This whole thing should have never gone this far...what a mess

ATL-GP

The incident started when Trulli made a mistake and ran off the track under safety car conditions at Turn 15, with Hamilton going through to take the third position. However, with the safety car still on track, the McLaren then yielded to the Toyota by lifting off the thottle to allow Trulli back through. The Italian subsequently explained that he believed the McLaren was in trouble, and possibly out of the race. Hamilton, on the other hand, told the stewards that he did not let Trulli past, despite explaining the opposite to SpeedTV just minutes earlier; it is for this 'deliberately misleading' information that the FIA elected to remove the McLaren team from the final results of the race, having also reviewed the team's radio communications.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...s-been-honest/

OK. Hamilton deserves the penalty....and he's a freaking dumb *** for lying about what happened Had he told them that he yielded to Trulli because he didn't want to run afoul of the rules, they might have rewarded him with 3rd. And worst case, he could have kept 4th and learned a lesson. Who the hell does he think he is??? Michael

PerSmitt

I think McLaren saw an opportunity for another point and went for it with a vague statement.

It is such a high level of competition and so much rivalry between teams that I can fully understand it even if it is dishonest to do it.

McLaren also explains it as having expected FIA to have done their due diligence and did not mention the radio conversation in the statement to the race stewards. (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...02130159.shtml)

I can only agree by saying... what a f*cking mess. All caused by FIAs meddling. I suppose they were not happy until they could take all points away from at least one driver.

FIA person 1: Well it looks like we have to give Trulli back his third place
FIA person 2: But I want to take 6 points away from someone!
FIA person 1: Well take Hamiltons points then!
FIA person 2: But if Trulli had third place then Hamilton only had 5 points! I want 6 points!!!
FIA person 1: But Hamilton temporarily had 3rd place, so see it as taking 6 points.
FIA person 2: *grumbles* Ok, but they I want to take a couple of points in Malaysia too in compensation...
FIA person 1: Of course, you will get to disqualify someone in Malaysia too. And besides you also got to give Vettel a 10 grid penalty. That should count for something.
FIA person 2: *grumbles*

alfy28

K i am confused. Did mcarlen lose their points because they thought the stewards would review the radio chat and come up with their own conclusion.

or did they lose their points because because hamilton told speed channel that he was told by the pits to let trulli past (which the radio should be open broadcast right) due to truli avoding debri from the road. did mcaleren make up a story?

SO what happened is, MCarlen tried to say that Toyota illegally passed hamilton under yellow? if that is the case, then i am happy that Hamilton got his point stripped away from him.












LMAO

shaunv74

WTF?? Okay so I can see that at that level of competition you don't want to deliberately give away points since there is so much at stake but geez didn't McLaren know that they would see the interview? That was just dumb on their part to say what they said.

I'm glad to see Trulli re-instated but it's unfortunate that McLaren couln't have just said to the judges what was said to the press.

A stiff penalty but I'm sure McLaren won't make the mistake of saying different things to the judges than what they said to the press.

ATL-GP

....bet Ron's wishing he was still at the helm....you know he's got to be ROYALLY PISSSED OFFFFFFF I'd hate to be at the next meeting...somebody is going to get chewed a new one ...either that or fired...or both

Renesis_8

McLaren and Lewis lied, thats why they got stripped of their points. Nothing would have happened if they didn't. They should know better.

I am happy for Toyota, they really deserve that 3rd place finish (now 4th too!). They will be a strong contender for the constructor championship this year.

alfy28

spokesman for F1's governing body late Thursday would not rule out "further action" against McLaren and Lewis Hamilton.

Following a reconvened stewards hearing at Sepang, the reigning world champion was excluded from the results of the Australian grand prix, having been found guilty of "deliberately misleading" the Melbourne inquiry.

"We could not rule out further action at this stage," the spokesman said in Malaysia.

It is Hamilton and McLaren's breach of article 151c of the International Sporting Code that could carry penalties ranging from reprimands to total exclusion from the championship.

Rumours at Sepang suggested the matter could be referred by the FIA to the World Motor Sport Council.

McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh, however, insists that neither the team nor McLaren "lied."

"I don't know what they meant by (deliberately misleading), you'd have to ask them," he said as he addressed swarms of media in the paddock.

"They believe that the omission of the information about the radio conversation between the team and Lewis was withheld and that is what they believe was misleading."

Triple world champion Niki Lauda told the German broadcaster RTL that he considers it "the biggest joke of all time" that the FIA took four days to come to a definitive ruling about the incident.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090403....possible---fia

PerSmitt

I agree with you on the point that lying should be punished. However I find Toyota deserves 4th and 5th place. Trulli went off. Hamilton passed lawfully and was in 3rd. Then Hamilton gets the order from his team (who did not know the rules well enough) to let Trulli pass. And that started the entire carousel.

Heck wouldn't you feel chagrined if you had third place and you gave it away for fourth place without reason. I'm not defending it and the right thing would be to accept P4 at that point and just live with it. But when given a chance McLaren probably felt they could take back their rightfully owned P3.

There are lots of ways for people to self-justify strange actions...

LionZoo

Well the FIA are saying that Hamilton not only didn't mention the radio conversation, he claimed that Trulli flew by him on the track and that he didn't let Trulli go by on purpose, which was the whole point of the penalty. It seems McLaren is still trying to spin it.

Pololo_RX8

I AM SO GLAD TO SEE THIS!!!

Typical Mclaren style: CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT...

Same way they did in the last corner of last race last year when "all of a sudden" Glock "slowed down" and let Hamilton pass...

Well deserved penalty and they should be penalized even 1/2 of the season at least!!!

Carlos

alfy28

news
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090403....sh-comes-clean

Despite the denials of Thursday, McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh on Friday admitted suspended sporting director Dave Ryan and Lewis Hamilton did lie to FIA stewards.

During a packed and dramatic FIA press conference at the Sepang circuit, he was asked if F1's reigning world champion told the truth relating to the Jarno Trulli safety car incident of a week ago.

"No. I think that Lewis was not entirely truthful, but we have spoken to Davey (Ryan). He was the senior member of the team and they went into the situation together.

"I had to take an incredibly difficult decision. I have personally known Davey for 20 years," Whitmarsh added.

He explained that Ryan, who has been sent home despite his 35 years of service to the Woking based squad, decided to lie "in the heat of the moment" and possibly due to his "high" level of sensitivity after being involved in last year's controversial Spa-Francorchamps penalty.

"Lewis was led by that," Whitmarsh said, referring to Hamilton's decision to also lie. "The team and myself are not only deeply embarrassed but deeply regretful."

Whitmarsh said a decision about Ryan's future, and indeed his own, will be taken after this weekend.

"I don't rule anything in or out," he insisted.

alfy28

i take it you didnt watch last year race. because if you did, you would know Glock was not on Wets, and glock was spinning out every where. yes your precious massa lost last year, but its ok because its 2009. so we can stop with the conspiracy theoies

Pololo_RX8

A well put coment by James Allen on ITV-F1.com

"Things are moving so fast here in Sepang it makes your head spin.

Lewis Hamilton has just made an appearance in the media centre and given what has to be the most frank and open admission of guilt and apology we have seen in this sport.

He sat alone on the stage and spoke for a little over 10 minutes, his voice cracking at times, his body language full of anguish and regret.

“When I went into the [stewards’] meeting…I just wanted to tell the story, say what happened,” he said.

“Whilst waiting for the stewards I was instructed – and misled – by my team manager to withhold information, and that’s what I did.

“I sincerely apologise to the stewards for wasting their time.

“I would like to say a big sorry to all my fans who have believed in me and supported me for years.

“Who I’ve showed you I am the past three years is who I am. I’m not a liar. I’m not a dishonest person.

“I’m a team player and every time I’ve been informed to do something I’ve done it.

“This time I’ve realised that it was a huge mistake, and I’m learning from it. It’s taken a huge toll on me.”

Hamilton and Ryan have been in the stewards’ room together on many occasions over the past two years and the only thing we didn’t get the chance to ask is whether this is the first time Ryan ‘instructed’ Hamilton to lie.

I’m sure that the FIA will consider this when the World Council look at the situation.

Actually by making such a frank admission, it’s likely that Lewis will escape a ban or even a suspended ban.

The damage to his reputation and the loss of the result in Australia are likely to be deemed punishment enough.

The FIA’s Alan Donnelly was at the back of the room listening and the event was televised by FOM’s TV crew, so it was a really public affair.

Hamilton has been criticised in the past for not putting his hands up and saying ‘sorry’ often enough. He couldn’t avoid it on this occasion.

The room was full of media from all around the world, with the Fleet Street boys on the front row.

At the end there was a light round of applause from some journalists, as Hamilton walked from the room, his shoulders sagging.

How the public will view him now, only time will tell – but it’s been a savagely bad start to the season for Hamilton, for McLaren and for new team principal Martin Whitmarsh.

Other teams are surprised that McLaren have allowed this to come down to individuals, that they have not stuck together as a team.

By singling out Ryan, they have acted in a way which is different from the team spirit of McLaren in the past."

This goes to show you how Alonso must have felt and how this team singled out one person instead of sticking together as a "real team".

The apology is not enough and in my book, it re-emphasizes what I have always felt and commented about Hamilton and MClaren.

Carlos

alfy28

yah your right. **** Blocking a team member in the pits during qualify is TEAM WORK , especially on the flying lap. god your comment is a huge joke.

Pololo_RX8

Do you take things personal?? I am commenting about Hamilton and McLaren not you... You love them and I don't... END OF THE STORY!!!

However if you have something personal against me, please PM me as I don't have time to answer your stupid remarks about what I say.

Move on... McLaren got what they deserved and I hope they get penalized even more.

However in my book, a cheat is a cheat... and Hamilton will always be that.

I admire Alonso for having the guts and not putting up with this crap and I do like ALL the latin drivers...perhaps you don't and that is fine and I respect that...

Just don't call me a "huge joke" because I disagree with your points of view... GROW UP A LITTLE...

Carlos

alfy28

for starters, my comments are just crap talk, which should be taken as jokes. which is why i ediit my comment to your whole comment is a joke.

as for your comment about alonso, you admire him being a total brat? i mean the guy was pissed because hamilton drove faster and wanted to win. you admire somone who wanted his team member to be 2nd because he wanted to be 1st when his team member was out driving him? what i admire is Kimi for not acting like alonso , due to massa out driving him (kimi).

btw what does alonso being latin have to do with anything. arton senna was my favorite driver, and he is latin from what i last remember him as

also like to add, when it comes to F1 all my crap talk is just crap talk. its fun for me to pick on ferrari fans ,even though i have nothing against them. i find them to be the sheeps of f1 . (JK btw)

Pololo_RX8

Jokes is fine... Finally we agree on something! Ayrton was the BEST EVER! and I still remember how my whole country was in shock when he died.

BTW, I am not a Ferrari fan... I just don't like McLaren period and I do admire Alonso for having the ***** to do what he did. To me, he is the best driver nowdays...cocky? suuure... who isn't in F1, well except for Barrichello

Carlos

alfy28

lol same in japan. he was like a god to us it seemed. i remember the girls in my class where crying (12th grade) and the us guys where just in silence

also i agree with you on Ruben. he probably the most nice driver in F1 right now. so glad he got a podium finish, it sure has been a long time for him.

alfy28

Finally i can agree with Eccelstone on.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090403....g---ecclestone

Bernie Ecclestone on Friday said it was "wrong" for FIA stewards to penalise Sebastian Vettel for his crash in Melbourne a week ago.

The F1 chief executive did not travel to Australia last week, but he has arrived at Sepang for round two, where his favourite driver Vettel will drop ten places down the grid.

Ecclestone, 78, said the Red Bull driver's penalty for colliding with BMW's Robert Kubica was not deserved.

"It was wrong," the Briton told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport. "The poor guy is punished for an accident. He lost third place.

"If the rule is that you get punished for a collision with another driver, then soon we will have no more fights," said Ecclestone.

"We want to see more wheel-to-wheel (duels), not less," he added.

alfy28

Q & A with Lewis Hamilton

By Jonathan Noble Friday, April 3rd 2009, 10:33 GMT


Lewis Hamilton has been at the centre of a controversy since the Australian Grand Prix, where the McLaren driver and sporting director Dave Ryan faced the FIA stewards to explain an incident with Jarno Trulli during the race.

Over the week, the FIA revealed both men had misled the stewards, leading to Hamilton's disqualification from the event and to heavy criticism in the British media over his antics.

On Friday at Sepang, Hamilton faced the media to offer an apology and to give his view on the whole incident.

Lewis Hamilton: In Melbourne, I had a great race. As soon as I got out the car I had the television interviews at the back of the garage, and straight away I gave them a good account of what happened during the race. Straight after that we were requested by the stewards, and while waiting for the stewards I was instructed and misled by my team manager to withhold information, and that is what I did.

I sincerely apologise to the stewards for wasting their time and for making them look silly. I am very, very sorry for the situation: for my team, for Dave because he has been a good member of the team for many years, and whilst I don't think it was his intention or...he is a good guy.

I went into the meeting, I had no intention of...I just wanted to tell the story and say what happened. I was misled and that is the way it went. I would like to say a big sorry to all my fans who have believed in me, who have supported me for years, who I showed who I am for the past three years, and it is who I am. I am not a liar. I am not a dishonest person. I am a team player.

Every time I have been informed to do something I have done it. This time I realise it was a huge mistake and I am learning from it. It has taken a huge toll on me. I apologise to you guys, I didn't speak to you yesterday, but there was a lot of take in and a lot to deal with. I am here to apologise to everyone and I assure you it won't happen again.
Q. How do you feel about yourself? Do you feel comfortable with yourself about what you have done?

LH: No. This is why I am here. This is why I am sitting here in front of you. This is not an easy thing for anyone to do. To put their hand up, and step back and realise they are in the wrong. But the fact is I was in the wrong. I feel I owe it to my fans and I owe it to my people to let them know. But like I said, I was misled. It is easy to be misled sometimes, and I realise that that is the situation and that is why I am here.

Q. You say you were misled. Can I ask, did you talk to Dave Ryan before you went into the stewards and say, that doesn't stack up with what I have just said or what I believe? And how difficult was it for you to go in knowing that what you were saying was misleading?

LH: The thing is we were rushed. I was still in my suit, and we went straight up. Actually when I came up from the garage, we went straight up the pitlane and we went straight there, and while we were waiting for Jarno to come out, I was instructed.

I honestly acted as a team member. If the team have asked me to do something I have generally done it. I didn't have time to think about it, to think about what I was going to do. I went in and I did it, and I felt awkward. I felt very uncomfortable. I think the stewards could see that, and I guess that is why I am in this position.

To refer to the guy before's question - I've never felt so bad. Try and put yourself in my position and understand that, like I said, I am not a liar. I have not gone through my life being a liar or dishonest. And so for people to say I am dishonest and for the world to think that....what can I say?

Q. You have said it was a matter between you and Dave Ryan. Was anyone else at McLaren involved in the planning for the decision, or was it only you two?

LH: No. It was just me and Dave.

Q. There was nothing wrong with what you did on the circuit. There was nothing wrong with the radio conversation itself. Did you not ask yourself why the hell they [the team] wanted to present this version, and what was the target out of it?

LH: Like I said, I was literally walking in so I didn't have time to really think about it. But for sure afterwards I wasn't completely sure why. We hadn't done anything wrong, we were just going in there to give account of what happened - regardless of if I had third or fourth. Jarno did a fantastic race and I had no need and no intention of giving him the penalty. That was not my aim. That is not something I do. I earn my points and my positions through hard work, and that is not the way I think.

Q. Have you apologised to Jarno, and was it you who pressured the team to sack Ryan [who has been suspended]?

LH: That second part of the question is nothing to do with me. Dave is a great guy and he has worked with the team for many years. He is feeling it just as much as the whole team. I haven't had the chance to speak to Jarno. I did actually see him before we went into the meeting and I said sorry for the situation. But…

Q. When Jarno went off and you passed him correctly, because he was off the track, why was there was any decision at all about letting him back in front? Why didn't you just stay there? Why was there any radio communication?

LH: When the safety car comes out, the team tell you time and time again, no overtaking under yellow flags. So while that has been drummed into you, you are dealing with everything that has been going on.

Jarno went off the track and clearly I went by. I tried to avoid going by, but I went by. Whilst I was sure in my mind that this is not my fault I have gone by him, I had to be sure. I worked this hard to get from dead last on the grid to fourth place, I was sitting in third now and I didn't want to be penalised. I didn't want the hard work to go out the window by getting a penalty, so I had to make sure. It is better to be safe and sound so I asked time and time again.

Q. Is this the worst thing you've ever had to do. And do you fear FIA retribution for the team, which a lot of people have speculated on? The FIA has said it is possible there could be repercussions

LH: For me, the situation is definitely the worst thing I've experienced in my life. That is why I am here. It is right for me as a human being and as a man to stand in front of you all and tell you exactly what went on and put up my hands. I cannot tell you how sorry I am. I'm sorry to my team and my family for the embarrassment. It is a very, very embarrassing situation.

I am sure the FIA will act accordingly and in the right way. I don't know what else is going to happen in the future. For me now, I have to focus on the race and try to move forward from this, learn from it and grow.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74203

Motomouse

iTrader: (1)

Is the saturday qualifying race will be on Speed ???
Thanks

alfy28

here you go