Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
06-21-2009, 03:22 PM
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i must of read the aritlce wrong lol. thougth they mention suzuka, but got distracted by the race.
06-21-2009, 03:28 PM
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Deal or No Deal?
NO DEAL
As Max Mosley expressed hope for peace on Sunday, a word he uttered earlier at Silverstone echoed around the race-day paddock.
When told on the grid that the FIA president described him and some of his fellow FOTA bigwigs as "the loonies", Flavio Briatore replied: "What?"
Mosley believes that while some in the breakaway group are hoping a solution to the political standoff, others are determined to see the sport split -- perhaps buoyed by polls like the one conducted by Sky Italia, showing 91 per cent support for FOTA's plans.
Another figure not at all unhappy about the idea of a rival championship is Toyota's team president John Howett, who after hearing that Mosley is hoping for a peace agreement explained that he is optimistic but "in the other direction".
Mosley told the BBC that Howett, FOTA's deputy chairman, is on "the extreme wing" of the rebel association.
Howett said Mosley's 'loonies' comment was "unhelpful" and "unnecessary", while Briatore hit back at the jibe: "Maybe I am (a loonie)".
It was clear on Sunday that, while Mosley was talking about the likelihood of an agreement, FOTA figures had resolved to deliver a contrary message.
Briatore, McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh and even Ross Brawn flatly denied Mosley's claim that a deal is close, and Stefano Domenicali of Ferrari added that they were speaking "for all the (FOTA) teams".
As for the 'loonies' charge, the Ferrari boss replied: "I think we have shown a very rational and professional approach."
The next event in the saga is likely to be Wednesday's meeting of the World Motor Sport Council.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090621....mosley-no-deal
NO DEAL
As Max Mosley expressed hope for peace on Sunday, a word he uttered earlier at Silverstone echoed around the race-day paddock.
When told on the grid that the FIA president described him and some of his fellow FOTA bigwigs as "the loonies", Flavio Briatore replied: "What?"
Mosley believes that while some in the breakaway group are hoping a solution to the political standoff, others are determined to see the sport split -- perhaps buoyed by polls like the one conducted by Sky Italia, showing 91 per cent support for FOTA's plans.
Another figure not at all unhappy about the idea of a rival championship is Toyota's team president John Howett, who after hearing that Mosley is hoping for a peace agreement explained that he is optimistic but "in the other direction".
Mosley told the BBC that Howett, FOTA's deputy chairman, is on "the extreme wing" of the rebel association.
Howett said Mosley's 'loonies' comment was "unhelpful" and "unnecessary", while Briatore hit back at the jibe: "Maybe I am (a loonie)".
It was clear on Sunday that, while Mosley was talking about the likelihood of an agreement, FOTA figures had resolved to deliver a contrary message.
Briatore, McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh and even Ross Brawn flatly denied Mosley's claim that a deal is close, and Stefano Domenicali of Ferrari added that they were speaking "for all the (FOTA) teams".
As for the 'loonies' charge, the Ferrari boss replied: "I think we have shown a very rational and professional approach."
The next event in the saga is likely to be Wednesday's meeting of the World Motor Sport Council.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090621....mosley-no-deal
06-21-2009, 03:41 PM
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Mosley was interviewed today by Rai Uno and god, what a douche bag!
Something on the lines of "we are the real F1, don't even think about another series as an interesting thing".
The italian reported simply replied with a "well, i would watch a series with a Ferrari and a McLaren racing against other giants instead of an F1 with teams rented from minor series.
Lol, i love how rude we can be
Something on the lines of "we are the real F1, don't even think about another series as an interesting thing".
The italian reported simply replied with a "well, i would watch a series with a Ferrari and a McLaren racing against other giants instead of an F1 with teams rented from minor series.
Lol, i love how rude we can be
06-21-2009, 03:45 PM
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Mosley was interviewed today by Rai Uno and god, what a douche bag!
Something on the lines of "we are the real F1, don't even think about another series as an interesting thing".
The italian reported simply replied with a "well, i would watch a series with a Ferrari and a McLaren racing against other giants instead of an F1 with teams rented from minor series.Lol, i love how rude we can be
Something on the lines of "we are the real F1, don't even think about another series as an interesting thing".
The italian reported simply replied with a "well, i would watch a series with a Ferrari and a McLaren racing against other giants instead of an F1 with teams rented from minor series.Lol, i love how rude we can be
but i have to give it to mosely. he is right, there is only one F1, but he must of forgot that their is only one ferrari and mclaren
06-21-2009, 03:48 PM
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Interesting, last night I saw an interview on the news (done by a Brit, I think) where Max says he is going ahead with legal action, now he is saying "no legal" and they want to talk????
06-21-2009, 04:49 PM
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Drugs definitely played his mind out.
I mean, 91% of non consensual opinions in a poll means you'r doing something wrong... Fact is, now it's too late to change path so he is probably going to try and save the situation with some rule changes etc.
I really hope to see a series regulated by teams for the teams!
I mean, 91% of non consensual opinions in a poll means you'r doing something wrong... Fact is, now it's too late to change path so he is probably going to try and save the situation with some rule changes etc.
I really hope to see a series regulated by teams for the teams!
06-22-2009, 09:29 AM
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Say it ain't so.
USF1 evaluating Danica Patrick
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...anica-patrick/
USF1 evaluating Danica Patrick
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...anica-patrick/
06-22-2009, 10:19 AM
#760
Don't think that will work in the era of streaming pornography I mean, what's the point in following a series for a couple o' ***** with a helmet when you can have the ***** alone?
I would watch the new formula anyway
I mean, what's the point in following a series for a couple o' ***** with a helmet when you can have the ***** alone?I would watch the new formula anyway
06-22-2009, 02:17 PM
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uh uh, max scared that he might lose his job
Max Mosley has dismissed as a joke his reference to some members of the FOTA teams alliance as 'loonies'.
With tensions already high between the group and the FIA president, Toyota's John Howett on Sunday said the Mosley jibe was "unhelpful" and "unnecessary".
Mosley had also said Flavio Briatore "sees himself as the Bernie" of a breakaway series, to which the Renault boss replied: "I never get personal. Max should stop insulting people".
It is suggested that the 'loonies' dig was also directed towards Ferrari's Luca di Montezemolo: "Montezemolo and I have known each other nearly 40 years and I get along with him fine on a personal level," Mosley said.
"Flavio is great on a personal level but obviously sometimes when you have got something as complex as formula one, you can have disagreements about how things operate within the sport. But on a personal basis we've always got along fine."
Mosley explained that he travelled to the Silverstone circuit on Sunday in Briatore's own helicopter.
He said the 'loonies' label referred to those FOTA members who are presently not willing to discuss a solution, while others in the alliance "are the moderates who want to talk".
"It's more of a jokey reference than anything else. I don't think they are literally loonies, but I think they are a little bit immoderate in their approach," said Mosley.
It is believed the softening of Mosley's stance on Sunday, including vowing to drop the legal action against Ferrari and FOTA and suggesting peace is near, may be a reaction to rumours that a vote to expel him may be called for at Wednesday's World Motor Sport Council.
Bernie Ecclestone confirmed he is desperate to see the situation resolved.
"I have given 35 years of my life and more to formula one," said the 78-year-old. "My marriage broke up because of formula one. So I am sure as hell not going to let things disintegrate over what is, in the end, basically nothing."
If a solution is not found, he doubts anyone would have the time or money to establish a breakaway series.
"If that (series) started, everybody would be suing everybody else and there would be no other series. There would be nothing. Everyone would spend a fortune on lawyers and nothing will happen," said Ecclestone.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090622....-fears-for-job
Max Mosley has dismissed as a joke his reference to some members of the FOTA teams alliance as 'loonies'.
With tensions already high between the group and the FIA president, Toyota's John Howett on Sunday said the Mosley jibe was "unhelpful" and "unnecessary".
Mosley had also said Flavio Briatore "sees himself as the Bernie" of a breakaway series, to which the Renault boss replied: "I never get personal. Max should stop insulting people".
It is suggested that the 'loonies' dig was also directed towards Ferrari's Luca di Montezemolo: "Montezemolo and I have known each other nearly 40 years and I get along with him fine on a personal level," Mosley said.
"Flavio is great on a personal level but obviously sometimes when you have got something as complex as formula one, you can have disagreements about how things operate within the sport. But on a personal basis we've always got along fine."
Mosley explained that he travelled to the Silverstone circuit on Sunday in Briatore's own helicopter.
He said the 'loonies' label referred to those FOTA members who are presently not willing to discuss a solution, while others in the alliance "are the moderates who want to talk".
"It's more of a jokey reference than anything else. I don't think they are literally loonies, but I think they are a little bit immoderate in their approach," said Mosley.
It is believed the softening of Mosley's stance on Sunday, including vowing to drop the legal action against Ferrari and FOTA and suggesting peace is near, may be a reaction to rumours that a vote to expel him may be called for at Wednesday's World Motor Sport Council.
Bernie Ecclestone confirmed he is desperate to see the situation resolved.
"I have given 35 years of my life and more to formula one," said the 78-year-old. "My marriage broke up because of formula one. So I am sure as hell not going to let things disintegrate over what is, in the end, basically nothing."
If a solution is not found, he doubts anyone would have the time or money to establish a breakaway series.
"If that (series) started, everybody would be suing everybody else and there would be no other series. There would be nothing. Everyone would spend a fortune on lawyers and nothing will happen," said Ecclestone.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090622....-fears-for-job
06-22-2009, 08:42 PM
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Yeah, amazing that the team principals of the breakaway teams don't want to talk to him when he referrers to them as "loonies". Hopefully Max will have a lot more time to hit up the hookers.
06-23-2009, 11:15 AM
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....which goes to show how freaking good that Red Bull chasis is! I mean DAMN....Vettel crushed it Sunday...and let us not forget, they were'nt even part of the "super diffuser" crew. I bet McLaren and Renault never thought the'd be getting spanked by their customers
06-23-2009, 11:45 AM
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nvm i was right. i forgot the other redbull team is called Scuderia Toro Rosso.
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06-23-2009, 03:54 PM
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Say it ain't so.
USF1 evaluating Danica Patrick
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...anica-patrick/
USF1 evaluating Danica Patrick
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...anica-patrick/
Heck I will watch if she races in a bikini... but that's about it...
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06-24-2009, 12:18 AM
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06-24-2009, 03:44 AM
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Some Analysis of the Current Situation
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=333922:F1
Ingram's Flat Spot On: End of F1 as we know it?
Taken from the article:
Ingram's Flat Spot On: End of F1 as we know it?
Taken from the article:
The cost of F1 racing is at the heart of the dispute. FIA President Max Mosley, who initiated the plan to reduce costs for participants with a budget cap, continues to tack politically on a daily basis, alternating between defiant and conciliatory.
The Formula One Teams Association, led by its chairman Luca di Montezemolo of Ferrari, will apparently follow the lead of the Italians. In the minds of many, Ferrari is Formula One and vice versa. That's why the stalemate between the two sides has reached a crisis. In almost every dispute in the recent past, Ferrari has sided with the FIA and against other participating teams. As Ferrari goes, in many respects, so goes the prospects of any world championship for single seaters.
The Formula One Teams Association, led by its chairman Luca di Montezemolo of Ferrari, will apparently follow the lead of the Italians. In the minds of many, Ferrari is Formula One and vice versa. That's why the stalemate between the two sides has reached a crisis. In almost every dispute in the recent past, Ferrari has sided with the FIA and against other participating teams. As Ferrari goes, in many respects, so goes the prospects of any world championship for single seaters.
06-24-2009, 07:58 AM
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F1 peace deal agreed – Mosley
Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:12
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46243&PO=46243
Watch for FOTA's press release before believing this.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46243&PO=46243
A breakthrough deal has been reached that will prevent Formula 1 splitting in two, FIA president Max Mosley has said.
Following a meeting of the governing body’s World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, Mosley said a new approach to cost-cutting had been agreed and that the FOTA teams had now dropped plans to start a breakaway championship.
“There will be no split,” said Mosley.
“We have agreed to a reduction of costs.
“There will be one F1 championship but the objective is to get back to the spending levels of the early '90s within two years.”
As part of the deal Mosley has also agreed to step aside as FIA president when his current term of office runs out in October, despite having signalled on Tuesday that he would stand for re-election.
"I will not be up for re-election now we have peace," he said.
More to follow…
Following a meeting of the governing body’s World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, Mosley said a new approach to cost-cutting had been agreed and that the FOTA teams had now dropped plans to start a breakaway championship.
“There will be no split,” said Mosley.
“We have agreed to a reduction of costs.
“There will be one F1 championship but the objective is to get back to the spending levels of the early '90s within two years.”
As part of the deal Mosley has also agreed to step aside as FIA president when his current term of office runs out in October, despite having signalled on Tuesday that he would stand for re-election.
"I will not be up for re-election now we have peace," he said.
More to follow…
06-24-2009, 09:36 AM
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Wednesday, 24 June 2009 13:12
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46243&PO=46243
Watch for FOTA's press release before believing this.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46243&PO=46243
Watch for FOTA's press release before believing this.
06-24-2009, 10:31 AM
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Ferrari claims FOTA victory in F1 war
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=333989:F1
By Motorsport.com/GMM
Ferrari on Wednesday claimed victory in F1's political battle on behalf of the FOTA alliance.
Although Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo was more magnanimous in Paris, while the departing Max Mosley insisted there were no losers, a document distributed shortly afterwards by the Italian team claimed a clear outcome.
Ferrari said the 2010 season will be "a championship ... which will held, as required by FOTA, in the spirit of sport and technological competition, with clear and certain rules and a transparent governance".
The Maranello based team, to now call off its threat to break away from the official category with seven other major teams, said the outcome had been achieved because the World Motor Sport Council "accepted the proposals formulated by FOTA".
Mosley's impending departure, and his immediate replacement on F1 matters by Michel Boeri, was also intimated by Ferrari in insisting that FOTA's "objective" was to "avoid continuous (rule) changes decided by one person alone".
Ferrari also denied any backdown on the issue of cost reduction, insisting that the unwinding of budgets to early 90s levels was "constantly promoted" by FOTA".
Relief was the F1 community's buzzword on Wednesday, elucidated best by RTL, the German free-to-air broadcaster that was worried about the sport's impending United States-style series split.
"We were always confident that the two sides would agree in the end, because the differences between them were outweighed by the common interest," spokesman Mathias Bolhofer said.
By Motorsport.com/GMM
Ferrari on Wednesday claimed victory in F1's political battle on behalf of the FOTA alliance.
Although Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo was more magnanimous in Paris, while the departing Max Mosley insisted there were no losers, a document distributed shortly afterwards by the Italian team claimed a clear outcome.
Ferrari said the 2010 season will be "a championship ... which will held, as required by FOTA, in the spirit of sport and technological competition, with clear and certain rules and a transparent governance".
The Maranello based team, to now call off its threat to break away from the official category with seven other major teams, said the outcome had been achieved because the World Motor Sport Council "accepted the proposals formulated by FOTA".
Mosley's impending departure, and his immediate replacement on F1 matters by Michel Boeri, was also intimated by Ferrari in insisting that FOTA's "objective" was to "avoid continuous (rule) changes decided by one person alone".
Ferrari also denied any backdown on the issue of cost reduction, insisting that the unwinding of budgets to early 90s levels was "constantly promoted" by FOTA".
Relief was the F1 community's buzzword on Wednesday, elucidated best by RTL, the German free-to-air broadcaster that was worried about the sport's impending United States-style series split.
"We were always confident that the two sides would agree in the end, because the differences between them were outweighed by the common interest," spokesman Mathias Bolhofer said.
