Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
07-02-2009, 10:21 AM
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07-06-2009, 07:04 AM
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News of the Morning:
It seems that the FIA made it an unwritten requirement for a prospective new team to have a Cosworth engine agreement. Those that planned on using Renault, Mercedes or Ferrari need not apply because they wouldn't get chosen.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38333
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=335463:F1
http://www.f1technical.net/news/12796
Rumor:
RBR moving to Mercedes engines?
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21613.html
USF1 will neither confirm or deny they are working on sponsorship from YouTube.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=335462:F1
There is an article wondering if any of the three new team will make the grid in 2010. Also, it is reported, a"senior business source in F1" recently visited the the USF1 team and said "there's nothing there". "I'd be very surprised if they ar there (next season)"
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38334
It seems that the FIA made it an unwritten requirement for a prospective new team to have a Cosworth engine agreement. Those that planned on using Renault, Mercedes or Ferrari need not apply because they wouldn't get chosen.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38333
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=335463:F1
http://www.f1technical.net/news/12796
Rumor:
RBR moving to Mercedes engines?
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21613.html
USF1 will neither confirm or deny they are working on sponsorship from YouTube.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=335462:F1
There is an article wondering if any of the three new team will make the grid in 2010. Also, it is reported, a"senior business source in F1" recently visited the the USF1 team and said "there's nothing there". "I'd be very surprised if they ar there (next season)"
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38334
Last edited by alnielsen; 07-06-2009 at 07:07 AM.
07-06-2009, 09:36 AM
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All this garbage and uncertainty can't be good for the teams, sponsors or really anyone. I have certainly lost interest since this whole new F1 dust-up started. Its amazing that people with so much money on the line have no idea how to play nicely with each other.
07-06-2009, 11:02 AM
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Bernie Ecclestone has opened the door to a tirade of condemnation by decrying democracy and defending the world's most universal tyrants Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein.
In a highly controversial and bizarre interview with Britain's Times newspaper, the F1 chief executive said democracy "hasn't done a lot of good for many countries" and then went on to talk about some well-known despots.
"Terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people able to get things done," the 78-year-old said.
Ecclestone also slammed Britain's decision to support the US in overthrowing Iraq's Hussein because "he was the only one who could control that country".
As for the Taliban in Afghanistan, "it was the same".
FIA president Max Mosley was enraged at the recent suggestion he is a dictator, but Ecclestone said being decisive is a positive trait.
"I like people who make up their minds. If you have to keep referring to your grandmother before you do anything I think that's dumb. I make decisions, sometimes wrong, sometimes right -- so long as you get more things right than wrong then that's ok," he said.
Ecclestone defended Mosley's fondness for sadomasochistic sex with prostitutes because "people can do what they like", and actually thinks the son of famous fascist Sir Oswald Mosley "would do a super job" as British prime minister.
He jokes that women wouldn't make good racing drivers because "they might take maternity leave", says people on unemployment benefits are "scroungers", and believes former British PM Tony Blair "probably told a lot of lies".
Ecclestone's Hitler remarks enraged numerous Jewish groups and spokesmen, while Conservative UK politician John Whittingdale remarked: "These are extraordinary views and I'm appalled that anybody could hold them."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10907052...saddam-hussein
In a highly controversial and bizarre interview with Britain's Times newspaper, the F1 chief executive said democracy "hasn't done a lot of good for many countries" and then went on to talk about some well-known despots.
"Terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people able to get things done," the 78-year-old said.
Ecclestone also slammed Britain's decision to support the US in overthrowing Iraq's Hussein because "he was the only one who could control that country".
As for the Taliban in Afghanistan, "it was the same".
FIA president Max Mosley was enraged at the recent suggestion he is a dictator, but Ecclestone said being decisive is a positive trait.
"I like people who make up their minds. If you have to keep referring to your grandmother before you do anything I think that's dumb. I make decisions, sometimes wrong, sometimes right -- so long as you get more things right than wrong then that's ok," he said.
Ecclestone defended Mosley's fondness for sadomasochistic sex with prostitutes because "people can do what they like", and actually thinks the son of famous fascist Sir Oswald Mosley "would do a super job" as British prime minister.
He jokes that women wouldn't make good racing drivers because "they might take maternity leave", says people on unemployment benefits are "scroungers", and believes former British PM Tony Blair "probably told a lot of lies".
Ecclestone's Hitler remarks enraged numerous Jewish groups and spokesmen, while Conservative UK politician John Whittingdale remarked: "These are extraordinary views and I'm appalled that anybody could hold them."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10907052...saddam-hussein
07-06-2009, 12:24 PM
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ty aln for hte update for cosworth scandal. i know that cosworth engines have a huge history in F1, and that williams, and scuderia roso used them back in 2004-2005. but if new teams are wanting to use engines that are winning currently (mclaren/merceds 
) then they should be allow to use them. i think every one knows that the FIA is forcing new teams to sign with cosworth , that doesnt suprise at all. since max and them wanted to use a standard engine.
i know i said this thousands of time, but FOTA needs to break away from F1. its messy now, they need to start off new and bring open wheel racing exciting again. i can honestly say that the first 2 races where the only one i stayed awake for.
) then they should be allow to use them. i think every one knows that the FIA is forcing new teams to sign with cosworth , that doesnt suprise at all. since max and them wanted to use a standard engine.i know i said this thousands of time, but FOTA needs to break away from F1. its messy now, they need to start off new and bring open wheel racing exciting again. i can honestly say that the first 2 races where the only one i stayed awake for.
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07-08-2009, 01:03 PM
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TIME FOR SOME NEWS
Formula one's brief peace was shattered on Wednesday, as the teams met with the governing body in Germany.
According to the FIA, the meeting ahead of the German grand prix at the Nurburgring was to seek the agreement of all 13 2010 teams to scrap the proposed budget cap rules and replace them with a "legally binding agreement ... to reduce costs" to early 90s levels within two years.
"The eight FOTA teams were invited to attend the meeting to discuss their further proposals for 2010. Unfortunately no discussion was possible because FOTA walked out of the meeting," the Paris federation said in a statement.
FOTA, representing every 2010 team except Williams, Force India and the three new entrants, gave a different account, revealing that the FIA's Charlie Whiting informed them that they "are not currently entered into the 2010 ... world championship and have no voting rights in relation to the technical and sporting regulations thereof".
Representatives of the rebel group requested the meeting be postponed but "this was rejected". FOTA denies part of the Paris peace deal in late June was the requirement "for unanimous agreement on regulations change".
"To subsequently go against the will of the WMSC (World Motor Sport Council) and the detail of the Paris agreement puts the future of formula one in jeopardy," said FOTA.
The eight FOTA teams said they had "no option other than to terminate their participation" in the FIA meeting.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10907082...of-fia-meeting
Formula one's brief peace was shattered on Wednesday, as the teams met with the governing body in Germany.
According to the FIA, the meeting ahead of the German grand prix at the Nurburgring was to seek the agreement of all 13 2010 teams to scrap the proposed budget cap rules and replace them with a "legally binding agreement ... to reduce costs" to early 90s levels within two years.
"The eight FOTA teams were invited to attend the meeting to discuss their further proposals for 2010. Unfortunately no discussion was possible because FOTA walked out of the meeting," the Paris federation said in a statement.
FOTA, representing every 2010 team except Williams, Force India and the three new entrants, gave a different account, revealing that the FIA's Charlie Whiting informed them that they "are not currently entered into the 2010 ... world championship and have no voting rights in relation to the technical and sporting regulations thereof".
Representatives of the rebel group requested the meeting be postponed but "this was rejected". FOTA denies part of the Paris peace deal in late June was the requirement "for unanimous agreement on regulations change".
"To subsequently go against the will of the WMSC (World Motor Sport Council) and the detail of the Paris agreement puts the future of formula one in jeopardy," said FOTA.
The eight FOTA teams said they had "no option other than to terminate their participation" in the FIA meeting.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10907082...of-fia-meeting
....are you FU@#ING KIDDING ME
07-08-2009, 01:24 PM
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Heck I don't care what it is called. I want to see Ferrari and McLaren and others fight for the checkered flag next year.
If it has to be a breakout series so be it. My loyalty as a viewer and a fan is to the FOTA, not Bernie or Max.
If it has to be a breakout series so be it. My loyalty as a viewer and a fan is to the FOTA, not Bernie or Max.
07-08-2009, 01:31 PM
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this whole drama bs is really getting annoying. the series this years has been a major borefest, thanks to ecclestone and his goon mosely for putting these stupid looking wings on cars amongst other things.
07-08-2009, 01:35 PM
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also i think the reason why i find the series a borefest this year, is due to no one really pushing to better their cars this year. unlike years before, we always seen mclaren and ferrari going back and forth trying to win races. putting more money into their current sessions car, unlike honda who put all their money into this year session.
now with all the changes, why even bother to better the car.
now with all the changes, why even bother to better the car.
07-08-2009, 02:27 PM
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Power!!
It's tough to better the cars this year due to the ban on testing between races. It's to keep costs down. While the races have been more boring than last year the field has been tighter in qualifying which indicates the cars are closer together. They just seem to shoot themselves in the foot with racing strategies or last minute tweaks before the race I guess. 
07-08-2009, 11:52 PM
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The rewards for taking a chance are much greater now though. Since the field is so close a good chance will place you at the top.
However, it is mostly foot-shooting-in-progress
However, it is mostly foot-shooting-in-progress
07-09-2009, 08:17 AM
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Not only Mosley, but Ecclestone is digging themselves a deeper hole.
Report: Formula One Chief accuses Jews of complicity in financial crisis
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1098728.html
His sympathies with Hitler and other dictators are getting him into trouble with the world outside of motor racing.
Report: Formula One Chief accuses Jews of complicity in financial crisis
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1098728.html
His sympathies with Hitler and other dictators are getting him into trouble with the world outside of motor racing.
HAM P1 in P2...but I think he only had about a 1/2 cup of fuel 
07-10-2009, 09:46 AM
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07-10-2009, 12:25 PM
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In todays news.
Alonso still kissing ferrari ****. if you dont feel like reading the article, i shall break it down for you.
1. alonso says, if you want a car that doesnt finish races, then ferrari is your team.
2. he wants to join ferrari, because they like to pay off FIA for the championships.
3. he wants to bring his ghey ways to the boys in flamer red (alns, Polo and all the ferrari fans here).
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10907102...ion-for-future
To the English-speaking media on Thursday, Fernando Alonso swore blind that reports of a looming Ferrari switch are not true.
The 27-year-old Spaniard, however, also gave interviews at the Nurburgring to reporters in the native tongues of Spain, France and Italy.
To the Spanish sports newspaper AS, he admitted that Ferrari is an option for the future.
"I have often said that I want to be in a car that allows me to win. In 2005 and 2006 everyone dreamed of the Renault, but in the last ten seasons Ferrari have won more championships than us.
"That's why Ferrari is the option that everyone has in mind, because of their successes of the past decade. You want to go where you will have the best car," said Alonso.
In another newspaper, El Mundo, the 27-year-old insisted he has "always been ready to go to a team like Ferrari".
"What I mean is that I am not demoralised, I am not sad, I am simply in delay. It's like in the Tour (de France). I'm now in the stage where I am reserving my energy for the mountains, because it's then that I am going to be on top," Alonso added.
He refused to predict how his native country would react to the official news that he is switching to the famous Maranello based team.
"I don't know, I am not a fortune teller. It is necessary to have this race in Germany, to see what happens in the championship, and what happens in the future is difficult to predict," said Alonso.
Source: GMM
Alonso still kissing ferrari ****. if you dont feel like reading the article, i shall break it down for you.
1. alonso says, if you want a car that doesnt finish races, then ferrari is your team.
2. he wants to join ferrari, because they like to pay off FIA for the championships.
3. he wants to bring his ghey ways to the boys in flamer red (alns, Polo and all the ferrari fans here).
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10907102...ion-for-future
To the English-speaking media on Thursday, Fernando Alonso swore blind that reports of a looming Ferrari switch are not true.
The 27-year-old Spaniard, however, also gave interviews at the Nurburgring to reporters in the native tongues of Spain, France and Italy.
To the Spanish sports newspaper AS, he admitted that Ferrari is an option for the future.
"I have often said that I want to be in a car that allows me to win. In 2005 and 2006 everyone dreamed of the Renault, but in the last ten seasons Ferrari have won more championships than us.
"That's why Ferrari is the option that everyone has in mind, because of their successes of the past decade. You want to go where you will have the best car," said Alonso.
In another newspaper, El Mundo, the 27-year-old insisted he has "always been ready to go to a team like Ferrari".
"What I mean is that I am not demoralised, I am not sad, I am simply in delay. It's like in the Tour (de France). I'm now in the stage where I am reserving my energy for the mountains, because it's then that I am going to be on top," Alonso added.
He refused to predict how his native country would react to the official news that he is switching to the famous Maranello based team.
"I don't know, I am not a fortune teller. It is necessary to have this race in Germany, to see what happens in the championship, and what happens in the future is difficult to predict," said Alonso.
Source: GMM
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07-11-2009, 10:53 AM
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The Latest
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=336083:F1
Political war rumbles on in Nurburgring shadows
2009-07-11 By Motorsport.com/GMM
The leading figures perhaps deserve a light pat on the back this weekend for so far keeping F1's political brawl out of the main spotlight.
But behind the scenes the ructions are definitely ongoing, with an increasingly clear message: Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley are very much on the outer.
According to the latest from the Nurburgring, the rebel FOTA group has bypassed F1's chief executive in the wake of his ignoble Hitler interview and staged crucial talks directly with CVC, the controller of the commercial rights.
An agreement between the two sides is all but done, and the suggestion is that they will present their accord to both FIA president Mosley and Ecclestone as a fait accompli: 'either sign up or the breakaway is on'.
A variation of the speculation is that Ecclestone's FOM company may also be intricately on-board with FOTA and CVC's plan, meaning that the only marginalised entity is the FIA (or Mosley).
F1 is tied contractually to the Paris federation, but the 'fait accompli' is believed possible on the basis of CVC's involvement, meaning that CVC could argue in court that Mosley's defiance is damaging their business.
Another unconfirmed rumour is that FOTA has drafted a letter of resignation that it wants Mosley to sign. It is believed that his signature would also pave a rapid road to real peace.
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Oh, and Australia has said they won't host a GP without a Ferrari in the field. “Without Ferrari ... [it] will lose much of its glamour and therefore the government investment will come into question,” Ron Walker, chairman of the Australian Grand Prix Corporation
The cars are the show, not the FIA or FOM. Without the major teams, there aren't fans. And while Braun is good this year, they don't have a loyal fan base that will draw spectators or television viewers.
After I typed that, I later found this quote by Mr. Walker "The superstars sell tickets and if you don't have the superstars then ticket sales sag a bit."
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=336083:F1
Political war rumbles on in Nurburgring shadows
2009-07-11 By Motorsport.com/GMM
The leading figures perhaps deserve a light pat on the back this weekend for so far keeping F1's political brawl out of the main spotlight.
But behind the scenes the ructions are definitely ongoing, with an increasingly clear message: Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley are very much on the outer.
According to the latest from the Nurburgring, the rebel FOTA group has bypassed F1's chief executive in the wake of his ignoble Hitler interview and staged crucial talks directly with CVC, the controller of the commercial rights.
An agreement between the two sides is all but done, and the suggestion is that they will present their accord to both FIA president Mosley and Ecclestone as a fait accompli: 'either sign up or the breakaway is on'.
A variation of the speculation is that Ecclestone's FOM company may also be intricately on-board with FOTA and CVC's plan, meaning that the only marginalised entity is the FIA (or Mosley).
F1 is tied contractually to the Paris federation, but the 'fait accompli' is believed possible on the basis of CVC's involvement, meaning that CVC could argue in court that Mosley's defiance is damaging their business.
Another unconfirmed rumour is that FOTA has drafted a letter of resignation that it wants Mosley to sign. It is believed that his signature would also pave a rapid road to real peace.
..................
Oh, and Australia has said they won't host a GP without a Ferrari in the field. “Without Ferrari ... [it] will lose much of its glamour and therefore the government investment will come into question,” Ron Walker, chairman of the Australian Grand Prix Corporation
The cars are the show, not the FIA or FOM. Without the major teams, there aren't fans. And while Braun is good this year, they don't have a loyal fan base that will draw spectators or television viewers.
After I typed that, I later found this quote by Mr. Walker "The superstars sell tickets and if you don't have the superstars then ticket sales sag a bit."
Last edited by alnielsen; 07-11-2009 at 11:08 AM.
07-11-2009, 11:57 AM
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1 14 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:31.257 1:38.038 1:32.230 22
2 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:31.482 1:34.455 1:32.357 22
3 22 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 1:31.568 1:39.032 1:32.473 23
4 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:31.430 1:39.504 1:32.480 20
5 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.473 1:39.149 1:32.616 19
6 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.881 1:40.826 1:33.859 21
7 20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:32.015 1:36.740 1:34.316 20
8 3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.600 1:41.708 1:34.574 22
9 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:31.869 1:41.730 1:34.710 23
10 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 1:32.128 1:35.737 1:34.803 24
11 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:31.771 1:42.310 14
12 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:31.302 1:42.318 15
13 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:31.884 1:42.500 17
14 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:31.760 1:42.771 17
15 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:31.598 1:42.859 14
16 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:32.190 10
17 12 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:32.251 11
18 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 1:32.402 11
19 10 Timo Glock Toyota 1:32.423 11
20 11 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 1:33.559 11
2 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:31.482 1:34.455 1:32.357 22
3 22 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 1:31.568 1:39.032 1:32.473 23
4 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:31.430 1:39.504 1:32.480 20
5 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.473 1:39.149 1:32.616 19
6 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.881 1:40.826 1:33.859 21
7 20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:32.015 1:36.740 1:34.316 20
8 3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.600 1:41.708 1:34.574 22
9 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:31.869 1:41.730 1:34.710 23
10 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 1:32.128 1:35.737 1:34.803 24
11 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:31.771 1:42.310 14
12 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:31.302 1:42.318 15
13 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:31.884 1:42.500 17
14 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:31.760 1:42.771 17
15 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:31.598 1:42.859 14
16 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:32.190 10
17 12 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:32.251 11
18 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 1:32.402 11
19 10 Timo Glock Toyota 1:32.423 11
20 11 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 1:33.559 11
07-12-2009, 09:15 AM
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For future reference, I found a live BBC broadcast of the race:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/formula-one-live
http://jamjame323.t83.net/#/f1-live/4534601859
I'm also liking the classification list on Speedtv.com better than the timing chart at F1.com. Maybe running both is the way to go (if you have dual monitors).
I won't post any spoilers.
More on CVC considers ousting Ecclestone
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...12133642.shtml
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/formula-one-live
http://jamjame323.t83.net/#/f1-live/4534601859
I'm also liking the classification list on Speedtv.com better than the timing chart at F1.com. Maybe running both is the way to go (if you have dual monitors).
I won't post any spoilers.
More on CVC considers ousting Ecclestone
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...12133642.shtml
07-12-2009, 03:25 PM
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Good on you Mark Webber...liked they way he thanked his doubters.
Webber has always been a great driver, it has been his "machinery" that has let him down.
The first time and Australian has won an F1 race since world champion Alan Jones..all those years ago, 28 to be precise.!
Webber has always been a great driver, it has been his "machinery" that has let him down.
The first time and Australian has won an F1 race since world champion Alan Jones..all those years ago, 28 to be precise.!
Last edited by ASH8; 07-12-2009 at 03:30 PM.
07-12-2009, 04:37 PM
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Yes, it was a good result for Mark and RBR. What we didn't see in the US is Rubens complaining about the Brawn purposely letting him down. He thought he could win the race. But, there was the fuel rig problem and his following Massa that caused him to loose time overall. I think when he reviews the events of the race he will regret his remarks.