Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
08-20-2009, 09:49 AM
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F1's governing body late on Wednesday published the sporting and technical regulations for the 2010 season.
The headline amendments are the removal of the highly contentious budget cap and two-tier elements, but it was also confirmed that Bernie Ecclestone has once again failed to have his 'medals' scoring system implemented.
'Q3' qualifying, meanwhile, will be contested with low-fuel, with the FIA confirming that refuelling "during a race is forbidden".
A mooted increase in testing for 2010 has not materialised, with only eight straight-line tests and limited running on "promotional" tyres excluded from the strict in-season testing ban.
Additionally, wind tunnel testing is limited to 60 per cent (or smaller) scale models, and tunnel speeds capped at 50 metres per second.
Tyre-warming blankets, however, have survived, and the eight-engines-per driver regulation remains in force despite speculation of a move to five engines.
Also remaining the same is the one-gearbox-per-four-races rule, but the car-plus-driver limit has increased to 620kg, with KERS to remain officially legal in 2010 despite the FOTA agreement to not use the energy-recovery systems.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10908202...f1-regulations
The headline amendments are the removal of the highly contentious budget cap and two-tier elements, but it was also confirmed that Bernie Ecclestone has once again failed to have his 'medals' scoring system implemented.
'Q3' qualifying, meanwhile, will be contested with low-fuel, with the FIA confirming that refuelling "during a race is forbidden".
A mooted increase in testing for 2010 has not materialised, with only eight straight-line tests and limited running on "promotional" tyres excluded from the strict in-season testing ban.
Additionally, wind tunnel testing is limited to 60 per cent (or smaller) scale models, and tunnel speeds capped at 50 metres per second.
Tyre-warming blankets, however, have survived, and the eight-engines-per driver regulation remains in force despite speculation of a move to five engines.
Also remaining the same is the one-gearbox-per-four-races rule, but the car-plus-driver limit has increased to 620kg, with KERS to remain officially legal in 2010 despite the FOTA agreement to not use the energy-recovery systems.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10908202...f1-regulations
08-21-2009, 07:28 AM
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And the Mercedes-McLaren KERS is right now an extremely nice package. Personally I have liked KERS from the start. I am an electronics/computer engineer and the KERS system has really appealed to me.
If the added weight of the system is too much of a penalty then increase the amount of power taken out of it. How about 200hp extra for 10 seconds every lap. Right now it is only software preventing that output (and maybe a bit of battery size).
I want a fun 2010 season with KERS!
*putting on flame suit*
08-21-2009, 09:42 AM
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at first i hated it. only because the problems it gave mclaren. but now with the new modifcations they had done to their car and worked out the kinks with kers, i am in love with the idea.
one thing though, you can always count on at least 2 teams (flamer red and the silver knights ) to get it working right.
one thing though, you can always count on at least 2 teams (flamer red and the silver knights ) to get it working right.
08-22-2009, 07:23 AM
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08-22-2009, 04:30 PM
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I feel sorry for Badoer. He is in a very awkward situation. I think Ferrari should have taken an up and coming GP2 driver instead.
In Swedish TV we got to see a picture overlay between Kimi and Badoer in the same corner. Kimi takes 4-5 car lengths on Badoer in one single turn.
Going to be nice to watch the race tomorrow. Lets hope there will be some action and some passing but it is very difficult to pass on that track.
In Swedish TV we got to see a picture overlay between Kimi and Badoer in the same corner. Kimi takes 4-5 car lengths on Badoer in one single turn.
Going to be nice to watch the race tomorrow. Lets hope there will be some action and some passing but it is very difficult to pass on that track.
08-22-2009, 06:05 PM
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Im so glad that F1 is back too. Its good to finally see the usual suspects consistantly fast. except that number 3 ferrari..... Luca is rediculously slow. Hopefully for his sake he is quicker in the race. Im thinking KERS is actually becoming a big advantage
08-22-2009, 08:36 PM
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felt pretty bad for badoer my self. i think ppl fail to notice , that renaults driver is a gp2 driver. so he isnt rusty, such as badoer hasnt drove at all this year. not trying to make excuses for the man, since he is a ferrari driver lol. but just hard for me to compare the 2 drivers atm.
08-23-2009, 01:04 AM
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I feel sorry for Badoer. He is in a very awkward situation. I think Ferrari should have taken an up and coming GP2 driver instead.
In Swedish TV we got to see a picture overlay between Kimi and Badoer in the same corner. Kimi takes 4-5 car lengths on Badoer in one single turn.
In Swedish TV we got to see a picture overlay between Kimi and Badoer in the same corner. Kimi takes 4-5 car lengths on Badoer in one single turn.
KERS is like using Nitrous. You get a big boost for a short time. KERS is just more a complicated solution. And, I still think is bad move for F1. For the teams that are using it now, it is a band-aid for their otherwise slow cars.
08-23-2009, 08:38 AM
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I just had a shower after lunch. Boring GP but hell, Raikkonen did fairly well. Maybe he really stopped drinking? 
I'm sorry for Hamilton though and his faulty pist stop. Then there is Badoer
He did something very correct to that Renault, he's definitely a gentleman
I'm sorry for Hamilton though and his faulty pist stop. Then there is Badoer
He did something very correct to that Renault, he's definitely a gentleman
08-23-2009, 08:53 AM
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Hurray for the old guys.
US TV reported Badoer was treating this as a test session. That is why he allowed the pass in the pit lane. There was a graphic, during the race that showed his lap time against Kimi's. He was only a couple of seconds slower. He just wasn't driving with aggression.
US TV reported Badoer was treating this as a test session. That is why he allowed the pass in the pit lane. There was a graphic, during the race that showed his lap time against Kimi's. He was only a couple of seconds slower. He just wasn't driving with aggression.
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08-23-2009, 09:35 AM
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That's what he also said in italian now on rai sport.
2 seconds are a huge gap though. He's got talent for sure! Let's see what happens in SPA now, god i love that track!
2 seconds are a huge gap though. He's got talent for sure! Let's see what happens in SPA now, god i love that track!
08-23-2009, 06:04 PM
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Well he said here that he will do better in spa for sure and didn't mention any form of replacement.
Anyway an older driver now will provide a lot of feedback to build the 2010 cars, maybe that's a strategy?
Anyway an older driver now will provide a lot of feedback to build the 2010 cars, maybe that's a strategy?
08-23-2009, 11:15 PM
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Badoer is horrible. Ferrari have given up on this season. Am I the only one who heard Kimi say there would be no more big improvements to the car this season during an interview?? Even though he will not be with Ferrari next season, I hope he stays on in F1. I loved the look on Hamilton senior's face when that last pitstop got screwed up. I'm all about family and loved ones in the paddock, but when they double as agent, they gotta go. No in season testing seems to have done a wonderfull job of lowering cost. I mean, since teams are now adding new bits every race, sometimes from one practice session to the next in the pursuit of extra tenths, they must be saving money right?? KERS will be an advantage next year in light of the increased weight limit. I'm sure Mclaren and Ferrari will keep their gentlemens agreement with FOTA and not run it next year..........HAH!! Romain Grosean looked good, or should I say better than the horrible Nelson Piquet.
08-23-2009, 11:18 PM
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08-23-2009, 11:40 PM
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Wow! I can't believe I am agreeing with Alfy but yes sir, indeed the best track of the season (not session ).
Congrats to Ruben... Very very happy for him. I wonder what Michael was feeling when he saw his "old" teammate winning the race...
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but yes sir, indeed the best track of the season (not session ). Congrats to Ruben... Very very happy for him. I wonder what Michael was feeling when he saw his "old" teammate winning the race...
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08-24-2009, 04:42 AM
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He probably felt happy for him. Now if Michael had been driving it would be a bit worse. It is never nice to lose. But since he was standing beside the race I don't think it would annoy him in any way that Rubens won.
08-24-2009, 07:28 AM
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Ok guys, i just finished watching the news on tv.
They interviewed Badoes and he gave some interesting responses that i'm going to summarize here. Barrichello said, as a side note, that he's willing to outrun Button and finally win a championship (I think that he will always be second though, even in a mono-pilot championship full of clones... there the safety car would win.)
Going back to Badoer:
Per the italian driver the car was not set-up correctly for "testing" set-ups are way different than racing ones, now he said that he know how to tune the suspension and the whole package.
The track was new and too hot, with his set-up staying in was already a hard task to achieve.
SPA-francorchamps is his favourite circuit and he believes to be up there, at least in the mid positions.
All in all he was fairly confident in what he was saying so i don't have problems trusting him. In the end 2 seconds of gap with a very badly tuned car ar not even too much in a new circuit for a tester. Spa is a terrible track to race, wonderful from an enthusiasts point of view but when you're in there you really need to know what you're doing. Full of slopes and up-downhills. You don't notice then 'till when you are there with your car, trust me!
Something i didn't really like though were the gayish laughters of Schumacher. When the italian interviewer asked him about his neck he started saying bullshit and laughing trying to change the interview's path.
I know for sure, as a football player, that neck injuries are something you don't want to have but when you start looking away from the camera laughing then you deserve to have that pain down in you back.
He was gaining some points earlier this season when he was still near ferrari but today he proved to still be the dr. jekyll and mr. hyde we all knew. At least villeneuve was funny while speaking!
They interviewed Badoes and he gave some interesting responses that i'm going to summarize here. Barrichello said, as a side note, that he's willing to outrun Button and finally win a championship (I think that he will always be second though, even in a mono-pilot championship full of clones... there the safety car would win.)
Going back to Badoer:
Per the italian driver the car was not set-up correctly for "testing" set-ups are way different than racing ones, now he said that he know how to tune the suspension and the whole package.
The track was new and too hot, with his set-up staying in was already a hard task to achieve.
SPA-francorchamps is his favourite circuit and he believes to be up there, at least in the mid positions.
All in all he was fairly confident in what he was saying so i don't have problems trusting him. In the end 2 seconds of gap with a very badly tuned car ar not even too much in a new circuit for a tester. Spa is a terrible track to race, wonderful from an enthusiasts point of view but when you're in there you really need to know what you're doing. Full of slopes and up-downhills. You don't notice then 'till when you are there with your car, trust me!
Something i didn't really like though were the gayish laughters of Schumacher. When the italian interviewer asked him about his neck he started saying bullshit and laughing trying to change the interview's path.
I know for sure, as a football player, that neck injuries are something you don't want to have but when you start looking away from the camera laughing then you deserve to have that pain down in you back.
He was gaining some points earlier this season when he was still near ferrari but today he proved to still be the dr. jekyll and mr. hyde we all knew. At least villeneuve was funny while speaking!