bse50

got a spare room alfy? i feel miserable for sharing his same passport...

alfy28

hey bse, do you think flav ordered it?

PerSmitt

I would not be surprised. Flav is the type of person who believes that rules are there to be broken IF you can get away with it. I think he figured he could get away with this.

What I cannot figure out though is why he would risk Piquet's wrath by kicking him out before 2010. Grosjean is hardly doing any better than Piquet, and that is understandable since they have no time on the track outside the actual race weekends.

Perhaps Briatore had some pressure from Renault that he had to change a driver. Who knows? We will see what FIA concludes.

bse50

I don't know alfy but Briatore is the kind of "self" made man that never followed the rules.
He's not well seen here

alfy28

http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909162...e-renault-team


Renault boss Flavio Briatore and his engineering deputy Pat Symonds "have left the team", it was announced in a short media statement on Wednesday.

The Enstone based outfit, owned 100 per cent by the French carmaker Renault SA, also revealed that it will "not dispute the recent allegations" about the 2008 Singapore grand prix at the World Motor Sport Council hearing on 21 September.

It is a dramatic change of position for Renault, whose Briatore said at the previous Monza and Spa-Francorchamps races that he denies Nelson Piquet's claims about his Singapore crash being deliberate.

Symonds, however, had told FIA investigators that a deliberate crash - albeit he claims suggested by Piquet - was at least discussed prior to the inaugural Singapore night race.At Monza, a media statement said 59-year-old Italian Briatore as well as the Renault team he leads had commenced criminal proceedings in France against the sacked driver and would alert the UK police about the "false allegations" and "blackmail".

Briatore's career in formula one and with the team dates back to its days as Benetton 20 years ago. Symonds, 56, has been with the team even longer, when in the early 80s it was known as Toleman.

flav is the kind of man that should the mafia lol.

Pololo_RX8

I just read the transcript of the conversations between Flavio, Symmonds, Piquet, Alonso and the engineers during the Singapore Race...

Here it is...

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...562633,00.html

This proves NOTHING!. I am not saying this was not discussed prior the race but the actual conversation shows nothing...

Piquet SUCKS in F1 and even worse, his behavior shows his character and honesty... I hope, really hope HE NEVER gets another ride in F1, unless of course daddy comes to the rescue and forms a F1 team.

Shame on you Piquets and Renault. You lost me as Renault fan...Flavio was instrumental in F1 and even though a lot of people will love to see him go, I feel otherwise...He is the one that gave an opportunity to so many of the same drivers we root for.

Carlos

alfy28

^^polo, do you really think alonso was left in the dark on this strat if it is true. just curious.

alnielsen

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(Eddie) Jordan: Evidence must've been 'clear-cut'
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...563209,00.html

In other news, the new Sauber/Qalbak team (formerly BMW-Sauber) will be powered by Ferrari.
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...563209,00.html
Do you think that will move them up the grid? It seems Ferrari needs KERS to make a podium finish.

Pololo_RX8

I know where you are going with this but YES I DO think Alonso was left in the dark on this. The Piquets are after anything that was better than them... and Alonso happened to be his teammate...

Let's face it, even the Piquets are not well liked in their own Brazil... That goes to show you what kind of **** holes they are!!!

Carlos

alnielsen

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I don't know whether he knew or not, but it wasn't necessary that he did know. In fact, it may have been better to keep him in the dark. So, he can't testify against anything.

alfy28

k, another questino. do you think alonso was left in the dark with the mclaren -ferrari scandal? reason i ask is, they are leaked info waht exactly happend that year. and alonso was part of it, in fact he told the ppl what info they want from ferrari. but since its thsoe days are over, so it really doesnt matter.

oh polo i forgot add, i am not saying those leaked info are 100% true, so dont take my word as actual proof. just saying . i respect alonso now, but during that time period , i disliked him.

Pololo_RX8

Agreed. This doesn't matter anymore. I was never a fan of "could have should have would have"...

Any team has secrets that could ban them from F1 if published. Too bad that some of them use the "rules are meant to be broken" philosphy. What disgusts me the most on this is Piquet's attitudes towards the team that Daddy Piquet paid to have his son drive for.

alfy28

i agree with you, there is alot of shady deals that happen in the background.

but what if your told , if you do so and such, you are gurantee a job next year. you end up doing so and such, then next thing you know the same person who told you that you will have a job fires you.

now my question is, would you be pissed for being backstabbed? would you just let it go, or would you actually want to expose the ppl who turned their back on you?

yes piquet was dumb for what he did (if this is true about singapore), but at the same time, you must think about why he is lashing out at renault. i am not saying is right, but at the same i cant fault hiim either. he felt betrayed, so now he wants revenge.

alnielsen

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Ha Ha, I was going to say repost.

Pololo_RX8

I know I know... This is what I thought and yes, I will confront(and I have) who has backstabbed me. I hate it when that happens...

As far as doing it publicly, it really depends...This **** hole Piquet brought down a TEAM that produced 4 championships and that did so much for F1... What *****!!!
I hope he never gets another seat in a race car... I won't be surprised if Max is behind this as well... His last screw up prior leaving FIA.

Anyways, let's move on...
Carlos

alnielsen

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As long as the parent Renault company backs a F1 team, it will exist. It may have to go through the troubles that McLaren went though, but look how they bounced back by quickly winning a championship. Renault is down, but not out.

alfy28

true, but this same team (if piquet story is true) asked him to crash . yes piquet is dumb to take that chance with is life, but the same company did also. so you must ask your self, is he wrong for going public with it? i hope he doesnt get a seat also, the guy sucks period. but ppl cant fault him for going public.

also you must think about it. why would a driver want to destroy his future in racing, over being fired. that doesnt make any sense at all. i think piquet is dumb, but i dotn think he is that dumb enought to puposly destroy his chances of racing again, in any racing series.

if he was fired for not driving good that is one thing, he could of moved on. but being fired for sucking, and promised a seat for the whole season is another.

look i am not trying to defend piquet or anything. but i alwyas find it funny how ppl (not saying y ou, just ppl on the internet) ******* piquet for doing what he did, but those same ppl are not in the same situation as him, so they dont know what they would do if this crash gate actually happened. if they where in his shoes, promised this adn that if you do this and that. next thing you know y our fired, i think alot of drivers would of done what he did. just imo

PerSmitt

Hehehe I am glad I managed to delete all proof of my reposting

alnielsen

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You can't hide it from me that way.

alnielsen

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Renault chief: Briatore felt responsible

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, September 17th 2009, 11:31 GMT

Pat Symonds and Flavio BriatoreRenault chief operating officer Patrick Pelata says someone needed to pay for the French squad's actions at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix.

"I don't know all the details but there was a fault and a fault requires a sanction," Pelata told French radio RTL after team boss Flavio Briatore and director of engineering Pat Symonds left the team on Wednesday.

"Piquet had already left and Pat Symonds is gone. Briatore considered he was morally responsible and has resigned."

Pelata added: "We will know more about the details after what will happen next Monday, with the FIA. At the moment, we have assumptions but it is clear that basically there was a fault."

Renault announced yesterday that it will not dispute the race-fixing allegations when it faces the FIA's World Motor Sport Council next Monday.

Pelata admitted the row had been a blow for the French company, but suggested the actions of Briatore and Symonds should not affect the rest of the team.

"Yes, we don't like this, but do we not want the fault of two people to reflect upon the work of a company and the entire Formula 1 team," Pelata added.

He said it was not the time to think about Renault's future involvement in Formula 1.

"It costs us less than that, but this is not the debate today," he said when asked if it would be a relief for Renault to be saving 350 million euro on its F1 programme.

"It is probably not the case at the moment."

And Pelata denied the French car maker had already lined up former world champion Alain Prost to replace Briatore.

"No. It's too early to discuss these questions."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78681

alnielsen

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Alonso says Ferrari move not '100 per cent'

Date 2009-09-17

By Motorsport.com/GMM

Fernando Alonso insists it is not '100 per cent' certain that he will be a Ferrari driver in the near future.

The Spaniard had been told by La Gazzetta dello Sport that Italian fans already see him as the next driver of a Maranello made single seater.

"We can't be sure 100 per cent about that yet," the 27-year-old answered during the recent Italian GP weekend. "There's still work to be done."

It is believed that Ferrari is negotiating with Kimi Raikkonen's management about a financial settlement to end his contract one year early.

The situation is also complicated by the injured Felipe Massa, who after his serious head injuries is yet to return to any driving or physical activities despite aiming for a return to F1 next March.

In the meantime, Alonso chooses his words carefully but is clearly keen to finalise his switch to Ferrari.

Lewis Hamilton told Italian media at Monza that he would like to compete against a Ferrari driven by Alonso, and the Spaniard later replied: "That's fine by me, I accept."

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=345467:F1

alfy28

interesting by the day. i am just glad, that i dont have to see windsor interview that dude any more. even though, he gives speedchannel some attention.

alfy28

The loss of their jobs may not be the only ramifications faced by Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds after effectively admitting to race-fixing amid the 'crash-gate' scandal.

The FIA's World Motor Sport Council meets next Monday and could impose lifetime bans on the pair.

But according to the Daily Telegraph, a guilty verdict could mean even more dramatic consequences, such as possible extradition to Singapore to face criminal charges for ordering a dangerous and violent incident take place.The British newspaper said other lawsuits are also possible, such as on behalf of Felipe Massa or Ferrari, who arguably lost the 2008 world championship because of the events at the Singapore night race.

The F1 chiefs' employer Renault SA, meanwhile, "may want to sue its former employees for allegedly bringing the company's name into disrepute", the Telegraph added.

But specialist sports lawyer Stephen Hornsby said: "Renault are unlikely to want to keep the matter going for little reward."

Also in the spotlight are Briatore's separate roles as a leading driver manager with his own firm FFBB, and his co-ownership of the London football club Queens Park Rangers.

The Football League did not comment specifically, but the competition does not allow the involvement of "anyone subject to a ban from the involvement in the administration of a sport by a sport's governing body".

It is reported that the League is closely monitoring the situation.

The World Motor Sport Council, meanwhile, is tipped to look closely next Monday at the role played in the scandal by Briatore's apparent conflict of interest in being both Nelson Piquet's manager and his team boss.

An insider told the Guardian: "The wider implications for Flavio and others found to have put Piquet in this position, and what sanctions can be brought to prevent this happening again, are likely to be looked at by the WMSC."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909172...rted-f1-chiefs

now that is pretty scary postion to be in.

also if alonso didnt win, does that mean massa would of won? even though he didnt finish the race ? or was that kimi who didnt finish. i cant remember.

bse50

Now everything is clear.
Hamilton is not the messiah you believed alfy!

Ferrari 0wnz ya!


J\K, but seriously...
I offer you an e-beer!

BlueRenesis82

Yeah, the people that should be really pissed about that wear red and work in Maranello. My sympathy to you Ferrari fans, you got screwed.