Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
04-06-2010, 11:20 PM
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I agree. The technical aspect is my favorite part of f1. I would love to see them go all out with venturi tunnels and fans from the 70's-80's; Turbos form the 80's; active suspension from the 90's; aerodynamics from the 2000's; maybe active front and rear wings. Engineers say drivers would need G-suits thus its impossible. Well I say give them G-suits and have at it!
04-07-2010, 07:32 AM
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As a relative newb to the F1 world I am still trying to find a team/driver to root for. I don't really have any attachments to any of the car makers, and don't really know enough about any of the drivers to have anyone to root for 
So far this season I am like Rosberg, I think it will be interesting if the Mercedes team will keep improving to where he and MS will be able to compete with Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull as the season wears on, as it was pretty much a fluke that they weren't able to qualify last weekend and Nico was able to get on the podium.
So far this season I am like Rosberg, I think it will be interesting if the Mercedes team will keep improving to where he and MS will be able to compete with Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull as the season wears on, as it was pretty much a fluke that they weren't able to qualify last weekend and Nico was able to get on the podium.
04-07-2010, 07:46 AM
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I agree. The technical aspect is my favorite part of f1. I would love to see them go all out with venturi tunnels and fans from the 70's-80's; Turbos form the 80's; active suspension from the 90's; aerodynamics from the 2000's; maybe active front and rear wings. Engineers say drivers would need G-suits thus its impossible. Well I say give them G-suits and have at it!
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!! Actually, last night I was watching the F1 Debrief on Speed and I started thinking about testing. Wouldn't it be cool if they would allow unlimited testing.....but without a driver!! OK, no i'm not drunk..well not yet, it's not 9:00 a.m.
But do any of you guys recall when McLaren hooked up some type of automated steering box to Lewis' car, and they were able to drive the actual car via Iphone/touch..whatever...? Well, they could totally program the car to run at some place like Jerez and gather data from telemetry. Then on Friday practice throw the new bits on the car and let the driver give his feedback. I think it would sure up reliability and push innovation.
04-07-2010, 08:23 AM
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Personally the more space age technology that I see in F1, the less interesting I find it. All the technology by itself is interesting, but its quite disconnected from the real world. Sports cars are where it's at now.
04-07-2010, 09:10 AM
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I hear ya.....but don't tell me you wouldn't want the Mercedes KERS system from last year in your 8, hahahahahahaha. Did anybody see the new Porsche and Ferrari w/KERS. I was like, "DAMN...it's in a road car already?!?!?"
04-07-2010, 10:40 AM
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Actually I would rather not have the additional bulk and wiring headaches.
04-07-2010, 10:48 AM
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.....yeah, and exploding batteries 
Guess you're true blue old school...bet ya rather have a carb instead of fuel injection
, hahahahahah.....just jokin with ya 
Guess you're true blue old school...bet ya rather have a carb instead of fuel injection
, hahahahahah.....just jokin with ya
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04-12-2010, 01:19 PM
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F1 ponders larger wheels for Michelin
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...48192&PO=48192
Leading Formula 1 figures have hinted that the sport could make technical changes to help entice a new tyre manufacturer into the fray, amid rumours that Michelin would like to return, but using 18-inch wheel rims rather than the current 13-inch diameters.
F1 has a tyre supply void to fill for 2011, when Bridgestone is set to depart after 14 years in the sport, many of them as sole supplier.
Reports emerging during the Malaysian Grand Prix weekend suggested that if Michelin was to come back, it would like to run wheels more in line with those featuring in its sportscar programmes.
Williams technical director Sam Michael believes 18-inch wheels would be a good move for F1.
"I personally think it’s a great idea; I’d love to do that," he said.
"I think it brings Formula 1 into the modern world if you like.
"The problem with having a 13-inch wheel rim at the moment – it’s a very specific tyre.
"And although tyre companies like Avon and Kumho and Michelin and Bridgestone and Goodyear make tyres like that, they are very specific to Formula 1-type racing.
"So if you went towards an 18-inch rim, I think it’s a good thing for the sport to protect itself for the future because tonnes of people make 18-inch tyres.
"They’re used on sports cars all the time, and they’re much closer to a road car tyre.
"So if someone sees the tyre on a Formula 1 car, whether it’s a slick tyre or even the wet tyres, they’ll say ‘actually, that just looks like the thing that’s on my M3’ or something like that."
Mercedes' Ross Brawn said it was important that F1 was willing to meet tyre companies' requests.
"I think for any tyre supplier coming into Formula 1, we need to respect their objectives and try to match them with the objectives of the teams," he said.
"Because if we sort of put our hand up and say ‘you can’t make any changes, this is the only thing we’ll accept’, we won’t be as attractive as we could be."
His concern about an 18-inch wheel move is that it could result in major design changes that would make life difficult for the smaller teams.
"What we just need to [ensure] is that we don’t instantly make redundant some of the cars of the smaller teams – we need to avoid that possibility," said Brawn.
"But I think it’s perfectly feasible to apply constraint in the regulations initially, but loosen them later to where you have to have suspension that would fit within a 13-inch wheel.
"You wouldn’t immediately massively disadvantage the small teams who maybe want to keep their survival cells and their pieces to carry on.
"We want to find a good solution that gives a challenge to Michelin, or whoever it is that wants to come into Formula 1, that they can see merit in coming in.
"And if that means an 18-inch wheel then I think Formula 1 is very open-minded about what’s needed."
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...48192&PO=48192
Leading Formula 1 figures have hinted that the sport could make technical changes to help entice a new tyre manufacturer into the fray, amid rumours that Michelin would like to return, but using 18-inch wheel rims rather than the current 13-inch diameters.
F1 has a tyre supply void to fill for 2011, when Bridgestone is set to depart after 14 years in the sport, many of them as sole supplier.
Reports emerging during the Malaysian Grand Prix weekend suggested that if Michelin was to come back, it would like to run wheels more in line with those featuring in its sportscar programmes.
Williams technical director Sam Michael believes 18-inch wheels would be a good move for F1.
"I personally think it’s a great idea; I’d love to do that," he said.
"I think it brings Formula 1 into the modern world if you like.
"The problem with having a 13-inch wheel rim at the moment – it’s a very specific tyre.
"And although tyre companies like Avon and Kumho and Michelin and Bridgestone and Goodyear make tyres like that, they are very specific to Formula 1-type racing.
"So if you went towards an 18-inch rim, I think it’s a good thing for the sport to protect itself for the future because tonnes of people make 18-inch tyres.
"They’re used on sports cars all the time, and they’re much closer to a road car tyre.
"So if someone sees the tyre on a Formula 1 car, whether it’s a slick tyre or even the wet tyres, they’ll say ‘actually, that just looks like the thing that’s on my M3’ or something like that."
Mercedes' Ross Brawn said it was important that F1 was willing to meet tyre companies' requests.
"I think for any tyre supplier coming into Formula 1, we need to respect their objectives and try to match them with the objectives of the teams," he said.
"Because if we sort of put our hand up and say ‘you can’t make any changes, this is the only thing we’ll accept’, we won’t be as attractive as we could be."
His concern about an 18-inch wheel move is that it could result in major design changes that would make life difficult for the smaller teams.
"What we just need to [ensure] is that we don’t instantly make redundant some of the cars of the smaller teams – we need to avoid that possibility," said Brawn.
"But I think it’s perfectly feasible to apply constraint in the regulations initially, but loosen them later to where you have to have suspension that would fit within a 13-inch wheel.
"You wouldn’t immediately massively disadvantage the small teams who maybe want to keep their survival cells and their pieces to carry on.
"We want to find a good solution that gives a challenge to Michelin, or whoever it is that wants to come into Formula 1, that they can see merit in coming in.
"And if that means an 18-inch wheel then I think Formula 1 is very open-minded about what’s needed."
04-12-2010, 02:29 PM
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I suggest F1 should use dimensions 225/45/18. And the slicks should be mass produced and sold at normal retailers too.
Imagine running on F1 slicks on the track days
Imagine running on F1 slicks on the track days
04-12-2010, 11:50 PM
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I would like to see the teams have to go qualifying and race distance on one set of tires. That would be technology that would transfer to the streets to create a long life high performance tire.
04-13-2010, 12:24 AM
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^I say "nay" to one-tire-per-race rule. It would mean too high of a sacrifice in ultimate grip, especially in low & medium corners.
I welcome a return to 18s (as they had them last around '93), and hopefully bigger brakes with beryllium hardware like they used to use. While you're at it open up the engine formula and give the teams a choice again; my vote is for 3.3 liters with either 10 or 12 cylinder configuration . . . . . and no rev limit!
I welcome a return to 18s (as they had them last around '93), and hopefully bigger brakes with beryllium hardware like they used to use. While you're at it open up the engine formula and give the teams a choice again; my vote is for 3.3 liters with either 10 or 12 cylinder configuration . . . . . and no rev limit!
04-13-2010, 02:56 AM
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I would really like that kind of technical freedom. Rules over rules only make the costs higher.
Set overall car weight and dimensions, displacement and induction type. Then it's up to the teams to build something fast.
Set overall car weight and dimensions, displacement and induction type. Then it's up to the teams to build something fast.
04-13-2010, 11:27 AM
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F1 ponders larger wheels for Michelin
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...48192&PO=48192
Leading Formula 1 figures have hinted that the sport could make technical changes to help entice a new tyre manufacturer into the fray, amid rumours that Michelin would like to return, but using 18-inch wheel rims rather than the current 13-inch diameters.
F1 has a tyre supply void to fill for 2011, when Bridgestone is set to depart after 14 years in the sport, many of them as sole supplier.
Reports emerging during the Malaysian Grand Prix weekend suggested that if Michelin was to come back, it would like to run wheels more in line with those featuring in its sportscar programmes.
Williams technical director Sam Michael believes 18-inch wheels would be a good move for F1.
"I personally think it’s a great idea; I’d love to do that," he said.
"I think it brings Formula 1 into the modern world if you like.
"The problem with having a 13-inch wheel rim at the moment – it’s a very specific tyre.
"And although tyre companies like Avon and Kumho and Michelin and Bridgestone and Goodyear make tyres like that, they are very specific to Formula 1-type racing.
"So if you went towards an 18-inch rim, I think it’s a good thing for the sport to protect itself for the future because tonnes of people make 18-inch tyres.
"They’re used on sports cars all the time, and they’re much closer to a road car tyre.
"So if someone sees the tyre on a Formula 1 car, whether it’s a slick tyre or even the wet tyres, they’ll say ‘actually, that just looks like the thing that’s on my M3’ or something like that."
Mercedes' Ross Brawn said it was important that F1 was willing to meet tyre companies' requests.
"I think for any tyre supplier coming into Formula 1, we need to respect their objectives and try to match them with the objectives of the teams," he said.
"Because if we sort of put our hand up and say ‘you can’t make any changes, this is the only thing we’ll accept’, we won’t be as attractive as we could be."
His concern about an 18-inch wheel move is that it could result in major design changes that would make life difficult for the smaller teams.
"What we just need to [ensure] is that we don’t instantly make redundant some of the cars of the smaller teams – we need to avoid that possibility," said Brawn.
"But I think it’s perfectly feasible to apply constraint in the regulations initially, but loosen them later to where you have to have suspension that would fit within a 13-inch wheel.
"You wouldn’t immediately massively disadvantage the small teams who maybe want to keep their survival cells and their pieces to carry on.
"We want to find a good solution that gives a challenge to Michelin, or whoever it is that wants to come into Formula 1, that they can see merit in coming in.
"And if that means an 18-inch wheel then I think Formula 1 is very open-minded about what’s needed."
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...48192&PO=48192
Leading Formula 1 figures have hinted that the sport could make technical changes to help entice a new tyre manufacturer into the fray, amid rumours that Michelin would like to return, but using 18-inch wheel rims rather than the current 13-inch diameters.
F1 has a tyre supply void to fill for 2011, when Bridgestone is set to depart after 14 years in the sport, many of them as sole supplier.
Reports emerging during the Malaysian Grand Prix weekend suggested that if Michelin was to come back, it would like to run wheels more in line with those featuring in its sportscar programmes.
Williams technical director Sam Michael believes 18-inch wheels would be a good move for F1.
"I personally think it’s a great idea; I’d love to do that," he said.
"I think it brings Formula 1 into the modern world if you like.
"The problem with having a 13-inch wheel rim at the moment – it’s a very specific tyre.
"And although tyre companies like Avon and Kumho and Michelin and Bridgestone and Goodyear make tyres like that, they are very specific to Formula 1-type racing.
"So if you went towards an 18-inch rim, I think it’s a good thing for the sport to protect itself for the future because tonnes of people make 18-inch tyres.
"They’re used on sports cars all the time, and they’re much closer to a road car tyre.
"So if someone sees the tyre on a Formula 1 car, whether it’s a slick tyre or even the wet tyres, they’ll say ‘actually, that just looks like the thing that’s on my M3’ or something like that."
Mercedes' Ross Brawn said it was important that F1 was willing to meet tyre companies' requests.
"I think for any tyre supplier coming into Formula 1, we need to respect their objectives and try to match them with the objectives of the teams," he said.
"Because if we sort of put our hand up and say ‘you can’t make any changes, this is the only thing we’ll accept’, we won’t be as attractive as we could be."
His concern about an 18-inch wheel move is that it could result in major design changes that would make life difficult for the smaller teams.
"What we just need to [ensure] is that we don’t instantly make redundant some of the cars of the smaller teams – we need to avoid that possibility," said Brawn.
"But I think it’s perfectly feasible to apply constraint in the regulations initially, but loosen them later to where you have to have suspension that would fit within a 13-inch wheel.
"You wouldn’t immediately massively disadvantage the small teams who maybe want to keep their survival cells and their pieces to carry on.
"We want to find a good solution that gives a challenge to Michelin, or whoever it is that wants to come into Formula 1, that they can see merit in coming in.
"And if that means an 18-inch wheel then I think Formula 1 is very open-minded about what’s needed."
wb Aln.
It would be cool, if tire companies would lke to compete again
04-13-2010, 11:42 PM
#543
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What I would consider more practical is allowing 1 tire mfg. but the teams can choose which of the tires from their line they want to run at the track. That way if their car is better on one set of tires they can run it on that set. That would also mix up the strategies more as you see teams that are faster on the softer compound coming in and changing more often but being passed by teams that prefer the slow and steady approach on a harder compound.
04-14-2010, 02:29 AM
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Well I think tire competition will ultimately breed better tires but it does create an uneven playing field that the teams can't control.
What I would consider more practical is allowing 1 tire mfg. but the teams can choose which of the tires from their line they want to run at the track. That way if their car is better on one set of tires they can run it on that set. That would also mix up the strategies more as you see teams that are faster on the softer compound coming in and changing more often but being passed by teams that prefer the slow and steady approach on a harder compound.
What I would consider more practical is allowing 1 tire mfg. but the teams can choose which of the tires from their line they want to run at the track. That way if their car is better on one set of tires they can run it on that set. That would also mix up the strategies more as you see teams that are faster on the softer compound coming in and changing more often but being passed by teams that prefer the slow and steady approach on a harder compound.
04-14-2010, 01:14 PM
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Power!!
True I think it would be a logistics problem. Maybe you reduce the line of tire choices or the teams pick before they go to the track. Or each team is limited to the number of tires of each set they are allowed to run for the weekend.
Or just get a really really big truck!
Or just get a really really big truck!
04-15-2010, 04:16 AM
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The real problem is that the teams should be allowed to do TESTs with new tyres. Those cars are literally designed around the rubbers, you can't change everything every time and still ban the tests!
04-16-2010, 12:31 AM
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Looks like the F-duct is causing a stir again as McLaren are in the lead in Shanghai!
Go Button!
Go Hamilton!
God job from the Mercedes too (being 2nd and 4th)
http://en.espnf1.com/china/motorsport/story/14571.html
Next practice is in 30 minutes... I wonder if it will be more of the same or if Ferrari and Red Bull will bounce back.
Go Button!
Go Hamilton!
God job from the Mercedes too (being 2nd and 4th)
http://en.espnf1.com/china/motorsport/story/14571.html
Next practice is in 30 minutes... I wonder if it will be more of the same or if Ferrari and Red Bull will bounce back.
04-16-2010, 02:44 AM
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Practice 2 over and the silver cars are dominating, both McLaren and Mercedes.
Ferrari are struggling, but we have seen them struggle before on Fridays and still bounce back on Caturday. I think it would be foolish to rule out either Alonso or Massa, both can be miracle workers.
Red Bull are just behind the 4 silver cars and are just waiting for the front to make a mistake to take the lead. It is mostly Vettel who is dangerous in Red Bull, and he seems to be having an edge over Webber, as usual.
Looking like good fun tomorrow...
Ferrari are struggling, but we have seen them struggle before on Fridays and still bounce back on Caturday. I think it would be foolish to rule out either Alonso or Massa, both can be miracle workers.
Red Bull are just behind the 4 silver cars and are just waiting for the front to make a mistake to take the lead. It is mostly Vettel who is dangerous in Red Bull, and he seems to be having an edge over Webber, as usual.
Looking like good fun tomorrow...
