Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
04-19-2010, 11:02 AM
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The rain has picked up even more and as the safety car left the circuit, Webber went wide in the last corner ahead before the finish line after being pushed to the outside by Hamilton. The trouble really found its origin with Button as he chose to drastically slow down when in preparation fot he race rastart.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/1466...35336678294e81
04-19-2010, 11:18 AM
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Avon to supply tyres in 2011?
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=40568
"Reports indicate that a 'non-branded' supplier is the preferred option for the Formula One Teams Association, with Avon Cooper being touted as a likely solution."
Speaking at the weekend, Adam Parr revealed that FOTA has charged Bernie Ecclestone with identifying and securing a new tyre supplier, admitting that the teams not in favour of Michelin's intention to increase the wheel diameter from 13 inches to 18 inches. Such a change would see larger wheels with lower profile tyres which would change the handling and suspension characteristics of the cars dramatically. It's a move not popular with teams who would be forced to redesign their suspension layouts significantly.
"Bernie Ecclestone and some teams prefer a non-branded and much cheaper option, using a company such as Avon and sticking with the current wheels and tyre diameter."
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=40568
"Reports indicate that a 'non-branded' supplier is the preferred option for the Formula One Teams Association, with Avon Cooper being touted as a likely solution."
Speaking at the weekend, Adam Parr revealed that FOTA has charged Bernie Ecclestone with identifying and securing a new tyre supplier, admitting that the teams not in favour of Michelin's intention to increase the wheel diameter from 13 inches to 18 inches. Such a change would see larger wheels with lower profile tyres which would change the handling and suspension characteristics of the cars dramatically. It's a move not popular with teams who would be forced to redesign their suspension layouts significantly.
"Bernie Ecclestone and some teams prefer a non-branded and much cheaper option, using a company such as Avon and sticking with the current wheels and tyre diameter."
04-19-2010, 11:50 AM
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Polo, I mean Alonso, once again pissing off his team mates.
So once again, Alonso up to his old ways again. I wasn’t surprised that he still a bafoone, once a **** always an ****. 
Felipe Massa was not happy with his Ferrari teammate Fernando Alonso in the wake of Sunday's Chinese grand prix.
With Alonso facing the prospect of queuing in the pitlane for service behind the sister Ferrari, he overtook the Brazilian on the pit entry road, forcing Massa to take avoiding action on the grass.
Stefano Domenicali said afterwards that he only saw the incident later in a video replay, but Italian reports say the team's boss threw his hands into the air when he saw the pass on the pitwall live.
The Italian said it had been "just a racing incident", and played down suggestions of "problems" between the Latin pair.
But Brazilian reports said Massa was visibly upset with Alonso as they emerged from their cars in parc ferme, and reportedly only raised his eyebrows before refusing to comment when asked if he thought the Spaniard's move was rude.
And he told Brazil's Globo: "Alonso put his car next to mine and, when I saw him, I knew that we could have an accident. So I thought about the team and it made me lose more than three places.
"Of course I'll talk to him," Massa, 28, added.
Alonso, now three places ahead of former title leader Massa in the drivers' standings, played down the incident.
"If he was not my teammate, there wouldn't be so much talk about it and for me it was a normal move and it definitely won't compromise our relationship," he said.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004192...it-entry-clash
Felipe Massa was not happy with his Ferrari teammate Fernando Alonso in the wake of Sunday's Chinese grand prix.
With Alonso facing the prospect of queuing in the pitlane for service behind the sister Ferrari, he overtook the Brazilian on the pit entry road, forcing Massa to take avoiding action on the grass.
Stefano Domenicali said afterwards that he only saw the incident later in a video replay, but Italian reports say the team's boss threw his hands into the air when he saw the pass on the pitwall live.
The Italian said it had been "just a racing incident", and played down suggestions of "problems" between the Latin pair.
But Brazilian reports said Massa was visibly upset with Alonso as they emerged from their cars in parc ferme, and reportedly only raised his eyebrows before refusing to comment when asked if he thought the Spaniard's move was rude.
And he told Brazil's Globo: "Alonso put his car next to mine and, when I saw him, I knew that we could have an accident. So I thought about the team and it made me lose more than three places.
"Of course I'll talk to him," Massa, 28, added.
Alonso, now three places ahead of former title leader Massa in the drivers' standings, played down the incident.
"If he was not my teammate, there wouldn't be so much talk about it and for me it was a normal move and it definitely won't compromise our relationship," he said.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004192...it-entry-clash
04-19-2010, 05:43 PM
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04-19-2010, 05:58 PM
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What I find funny about the whole deal is that in Australia Alonso tried to get around Massa once or twice and Massa nearly put Alonso into the grass or into a wall blocking him. Alonso doesn't say a SINGLE word about it. This happens and Massa turns into a little crybaby.
Props to Alonso. He passed the little baby and ended up placing 4th. He placed multiple spots higher than his team-mate in the same exact car despite having a drive-through-penalty. If that doesn't show the Massa-lovers why he's the #2 driver then I don't know what will.
04-20-2010, 01:54 AM
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It was a very hairy pass, both from Hamilton and Alonso. There were quite a bit of crossing drawn lines on the ground involved. Since the race stewards had nothing against it then I have nothing against it.
However, Hamilton passing Vettel was in the heat of battle. And Vettel passed Hamilton exiting the pits. That was a very heated battle by two extremely spirited drivers (my two favorites).
Alonso, he penalized his teammate with 6sec+ when everyone went in to the stops. If he had not Massa and Alonso would have reversed places in the result. I have nothing against this either since it is a battle between teammates too. However, it will cause anger so it really shows that Alonso has the egocentric "I will be first" just like so many other drivers who win.
However, Hamilton passing Vettel was in the heat of battle. And Vettel passed Hamilton exiting the pits. That was a very heated battle by two extremely spirited drivers (my two favorites).
Alonso, he penalized his teammate with 6sec+ when everyone went in to the stops. If he had not Massa and Alonso would have reversed places in the result. I have nothing against this either since it is a battle between teammates too. However, it will cause anger so it really shows that Alonso has the egocentric "I will be first" just like so many other drivers who win.
04-20-2010, 07:45 AM
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No Massa is wise to ease off the throttle.
04-20-2010, 09:21 AM
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That was 2007, this is 2010. Hamilton has a couple of more years experience. Hamilton & Alonso both held off their braking and look what they gained. Alonso gained a position. Hamilton almost did, except his crew was a little slower in changing his tires. Massa, who took the safe & slow way, lost a spot.
04-20-2010, 01:19 PM
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That was 2007, this is 2010. Hamilton has a couple of more years experience. Hamilton & Alonso both held off their braking and look what they gained. Alonso gained a position. Hamilton almost did, except his crew was a little slower in changing his tires. Massa, who took the safe & slow way, lost a spot.
However it was risky. If Massa had slipped in concentration for a split second we would have had 2 crashed Ferraris in the pit lane entry. Now wouldn't that be a pity
Actually Massa should have crashed into Alonso there instead of yielding to him, because then Alonso would have to take all the blame for 2 crashed Ferraris. As it is now Massa has set a very dangerous precedent that if Alonso does a very ruthless move, Massa will move aside. This is very much a start on a downward slope for Massa.
No Massa really is too much of a kind guy to be able to stand up to someone like Alonso. I predict that by the end of the year we will have Ferrari = Alonso, and Massa that is just the number 2 driver. I really hope Massa will strengthen up and bite back on Alonso, taking a crash if necessary to prove to Alonso that he does not take just any ****.
Polo, the war between your two loved drivers is brewing... no matter how much Ferrari try to deny it...
04-22-2010, 02:42 PM
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Dear FIA
We are Fagarari are having issues with our engines. Like last year, and the year before that, our engines are so unrealiaable, and I guess you can say , we don’t know how to designs our cars, so that the engine doesn’t f up. So we are begging you Mr FIA, to let us fix our mistakes. So we can be as cool as Mclaren, so we are begging you . Our name alone, cannot win races.
Also I do admit, we did dog the newbie teams, and I feel very stupid for asking you guys , to allow us to fix our crappy engine. I guess you can say, we look pretty stupid now. Sorry to our fans like Polo, and BSE, who defend our crappy engines . So if you can, please let us fix our engines for them, because with our crappy engines, I don’t know how long they can last, defending us against the Silver Knights.
Love Always
Fagarari
Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team's recent engine problems - including two failures for Fernando Alonso - have been identified.
Reportedly, the problem - which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines - is with the pneumatic valves.
The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.
Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the 'freeze' on engine development.
The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004222...ssion---report
We are Fagarari are having issues with our engines. Like last year, and the year before that, our engines are so unrealiaable, and I guess you can say , we don’t know how to designs our cars, so that the engine doesn’t f up. So we are begging you Mr FIA, to let us fix our mistakes. So we can be as cool as Mclaren, so we are begging you . Our name alone, cannot win races.
Also I do admit, we did dog the newbie teams, and I feel very stupid for asking you guys , to allow us to fix our crappy engine. I guess you can say, we look pretty stupid now. Sorry to our fans like Polo, and BSE, who defend our crappy engines . So if you can, please let us fix our engines for them, because with our crappy engines, I don’t know how long they can last, defending us against the Silver Knights.
Love Always
Fagarari
Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team's recent engine problems - including two failures for Fernando Alonso - have been identified.
Reportedly, the problem - which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines - is with the pneumatic valves.
The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.
Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the 'freeze' on engine development.
The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004222...ssion---report
04-23-2010, 12:06 AM
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Dear FIA
We are Fagarari are having issues with our engines. Like last year, and the year before that, our engines are so unrealiaable, and I guess you can say , we don’t know how to designs our cars, so that the engine doesn’t f up. So we are begging you Mr FIA, to let us fix our mistakes. So we can be as cool as Mclaren, so we are begging you . Our name alone, cannot win races.
Also I do admit, we did dog the newbie teams, and I feel very stupid for asking you guys , to allow us to fix our crappy engine. I guess you can say, we look pretty stupid now. Sorry to our fans like Polo, and BSE, who defend our crappy engines . So if you can, please let us fix our engines for them, because with our crappy engines, I don’t know how long they can last, defending us against the Silver Knights.
Love Always
Fagarari
Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team's recent engine problems - including two failures for Fernando Alonso - have been identified.
Reportedly, the problem - which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines - is with the pneumatic valves.
The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.
Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the 'freeze' on engine development.
The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004222...ssion---report
We are Fagarari are having issues with our engines. Like last year, and the year before that, our engines are so unrealiaable, and I guess you can say , we don’t know how to designs our cars, so that the engine doesn’t f up. So we are begging you Mr FIA, to let us fix our mistakes. So we can be as cool as Mclaren, so we are begging you . Our name alone, cannot win races.
Also I do admit, we did dog the newbie teams, and I feel very stupid for asking you guys , to allow us to fix our crappy engine. I guess you can say, we look pretty stupid now. Sorry to our fans like Polo, and BSE, who defend our crappy engines . So if you can, please let us fix our engines for them, because with our crappy engines, I don’t know how long they can last, defending us against the Silver Knights.
Love Always
Fagarari
Ferrari may ask the FIA for permission to make changes to its formula one engine on the grounds of reliability.
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine on Thursday said the Italian team's recent engine problems - including two failures for Fernando Alonso - have been identified.
Reportedly, the problem - which could cost Alonso grid places later this season if he runs through his allocation of eight engines - is with the pneumatic valves.
The report said too much air is escaping from the engine during the races, and because of the new regulations there is not enough time during the single pitstop to replenish the 2.4 litre V8s.
Auto Motor und Sport said that if Ferrari can prove to the FIA that the engine is suffering a general reliability flaw, it may be granted a temporary exemption from the 'freeze' on engine development.
The engines already used by Alonso and his teammate Felipe Massa, however, may not be altered.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004222...ssion---report
This coming from the team that were beating down on the little guys earlier saying they had nothing to do in F1. And they cannot even make a reliable engine.
What is it they say? Check your own stuff before you start bashing others.
It is an understandable flaw that has been undetected so far since the use-case (so short pit stops) have not been tested on the engine. However, they could have put more stress on the engine during development but apparently not.
All I am saying is that hardware errors do occur and some day in a distant future McLaren might even make a tiny error too, albeit unlikely. So let us not bash Ferrari too much now and just snicker a little behind their backs when their engines fail.
04-23-2010, 12:33 AM
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Persmitt, i have been feeling really bad for ferrari lately. i was thinking of joining their fan club,, but then i started to think, why would i want to punish my self like that. i mean, they have cars not finishing races, they have other teams using their engine not finishing races.
So i decided to stick to mclaren, at least i know their engines last and all. I bet force india is so glad that they went with Mercedes engine this year.
So i decided to stick to mclaren, at least i know their engines last and all. I bet force india is so glad that they went with Mercedes engine this year.
04-23-2010, 10:03 AM
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What happens if F***. uses up all their engines, as allocated by FIA, and can't compete for the rest of the year? I seem to remember there is a fine if you don't put a car on the grid. Would this cause a rules change in the number of engines allowed per year? Will this happen because it is F***?
04-23-2010, 11:54 AM
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If i'm not mistaken, once F****** runs out of engines, they would receive a penalty at each race they use a motor above and beyond their alottment. So basically, if they keep going at this rate, they will be in the back for the last hand full of races. If they don't fix this problem the are royally screwed!!!!!!!!!!!
04-23-2010, 12:29 PM
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^^^ True, and actually, I think it all started going downhill for them when the rules started to get shaken up. I hate to say it, but in a way I kind of agree with Max Mosley when it comes to budget caps and the fact that Ferrari has been so against it. Ferrari have been so used to out spending and testing EVERYBODY, so now they are stumbling a bit when forced to work under the current regs.