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alfy28 05-15-2010 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Mazmart (Post 3559863)
You know, it's funny; in evaluating the talent of various drivers vs their cars it can be a bit tough to say who is better than who. As far as Hamilton beating Alonso regularly when they were in the same chassis; was that due to Alonso contributing so much to development and Hamilton being shown favoritism or can Lewis beat Fernando on most days in an equal chassis? If the rules hadn't changed regarding front tire sizes would Lewis and Michael do better due to more aggressive late braking vs tire degradation (I'm not as interested in watching so tactical of a tire maintenance game vs drivers out driving each other). Kubica is proven talent and Vettel has shown over and over again that he can get the job done and makes a few mistakes like everyone else. Massa is obviously above average. Rosberg is showing his talent as is Webber. Michael has lost a step but I will not count him out as he learns the modern cars. Kovaleinen is obviously not as good as Hamilton. Rubens still has it and can win in a competitive chassis but he's not THE best driver in the bunch. Petrov and Kobayahi are diamonds in the rough with Petrov really needing to keep it together, relax and concentrate (Hard to do). I think Button is quite good to excellent but can be beaten by quite a few drivers depending on circumstance. BTW, the Red Bull chassis is amazing although a little fragile perhaps.

My 2 cents.

Paul.

That was a really good post maz. To be honest, I miss the days of multiple pit stop strats. I am really hoping that next year they will change rule on the refill ban. It not allowing drivers to push their hardest, its moving away from what F1 was about.

dezau 05-16-2010 03:18 AM

agred

Monaco in 4 hours....... soooo excited not.

bse50 05-16-2010 07:03 AM

Massa's got balls! good starting attempt.

bse50 05-16-2010 07:07 AM

Bye bye Button!

bse50 05-16-2010 07:28 AM

Alonso is mad... what a race!

PerSmitt 05-16-2010 09:09 AM

That was a very unorthodox move at the end from Schumacher. Really cool if it was legal. I think it was legal but the race stewards are going to look at the replays.

alfy28 05-16-2010 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3560558)
Alonso is mad... what a race!

lol what happend to alonso? I fell asleep after the ruben crashed. I always have not like monaco. Its to boring of a track for me.

PerSmitt 05-16-2010 12:12 PM

Apparently the pass was not legal. It was fully legal according to last year regulations. However, a new rule has been added and it has now been clarified.

More here: http://en.espnf1.com/monaco/motorsport/story/17477.html

The new rule - 40.13 - states: "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

alnielsen 05-16-2010 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3560558)
Alonso is mad... what a race!

Alonso and Ferrari had it together for this race. Everything was done to get their best possible finish.

Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 3560701)
lol what happend to alonso? I fell asleep after the ruben crashed. I always have not like monaco. Its to boring of a track for me.

This one wasn't. The things that made this race interesting was a great driver starting last (hence overtaking even at Monaco), blown engines, crashes & pretty good camera work.

dezau 05-16-2010 04:26 PM

how did barrichello not get a penalty for throwing out the steering wheel like that???

and wtf? how did schumacher get penalized for passing alonso?? he passed him after the first safety car line after alonso was having a little wheelspin passing the line. i don't get it

alnielsen 05-16-2010 06:36 PM

I just saw a news report, Schumacher got a 20 second penalty for the Alonso pass. This moves him from 6th to 12th place.
Under rule 40.13, which states that "if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking,"
Normally this would be a stop & go type of penalty. However, since it was at the end of the race, a time penalty was accessed.

There is no word about penalties for Barrichello.

alfy28 05-16-2010 08:25 PM

is there a site where i can dl the f1 race? thinking of installing utorrent on this laptop, since I dont use my other pc much

dezau 05-16-2010 08:48 PM

http://rapid.org/board/showthread.php?t=351624

dezau 05-16-2010 08:49 PM

green flag, green lights, safety car in, passed after safety car line. i really don't see anything wrong in this situation.

alfy28 05-16-2010 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by dezau (Post 3561135)

ty dezau you rock :Peace:

alnielsen 05-17-2010 12:36 AM


Originally Posted by dezau (Post 3561138)
green flag, green lights, safety car in, passed after safety car line. i really don't see anything wrong in this situation.

Apparently, you and Michael don't like following the rules. In my previous post, I posted the rule that was violated.

PerSmitt 05-17-2010 01:22 AM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 3561040)
I just saw a news report, Schumacher got a 20 second penalty for the Alonso pass. This moves him from 6th to 12th place.
Under rule 40.13, which states that "if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking,"
Normally this would be a stop & go type of penalty. However, since it was at the end of the race, a time penalty was accessed.

Repost ;)

Besides since this rule only applies when the safety car goes back in on the last lap I have a hard time seeing how this would ever incur a stop & go ;)

And yes I love picking on you, Aln

PerSmitt 05-17-2010 01:27 AM

Oh and Mercedes obviously appeals.

http://en.espnf1.com/monaco/motorsport/story/17501.html

I can only agree with Mercedes.

ASH8 05-17-2010 02:31 AM

GO MARK WEBBER...Go you good thing!!!....

AUSSIE< AUSSIE >AUSSIE....Oi Oi Oi...!!!

He deserves ALL the success he can get, Great Driver... Now with Fast and Reliable cars...FINALLY!

PerSmitt 05-17-2010 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3561530)
GO MARK WEBBER...Go you good thing!!!....

AUSSIE< AUSSIE >AUSSIE....Oi Oi Oi...!!!

He deserves ALL the success he can get, Great Driver... Now with Fast and Reliable cars...FINALLY!

It was a brilliant drive from Mark the last two races. But really I think Vettel will own him again soon enough. We will see how this turns out...

Mazmart 05-17-2010 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3561530)
GO MARK WEBBER...Go you good thing!!!....

AUSSIE< AUSSIE >AUSSIE....Oi Oi Oi...!!!

He deserves ALL the success he can get, Great Driver... Now with Fast and Reliable cars...FINALLY!

Mark is very talented and the Red Bull is quick but reliability is something that requires more time to provide a proper assessment.

Paul.

alnielsen 05-17-2010 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by PerSmitt (Post 3561461)
Repost ;)

Besides since this rule only applies when the safety car goes back in on the last lap I have a hard time seeing how this would ever incur a stop & go ;)

And yes I love picking on you, Aln

That wasn't there before. You edited your post. :)

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bse50 05-17-2010 08:14 AM

Well done alfy!

alfy28 05-17-2010 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3561802)
Well done alfy!

:ylsuper:


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