ASH8

Mate are you Delusional???

The facts are:
That is not Webber's Concern and is No excuse for his team mate to drive into him!
WHAT??, Vettel Chose this Left LINE, any Driver in Front..Leading any Motorsport Race has the right to defend HIS Position without putting others in Danger and without obvious Blocking..Webber did neither of these..

As I said Webber (and everyone else except you and Seb) did NOTHING wrong, Vision shows Webber Holding his Line (did not move Sterring Wheel) while Seb "tried" to Pass, WHAT do you expect the person in 1st Place to just give their lead up??..

Enough said of this..

PerSmitt

I have put in some links to articles just to show you that not everyone think Webber if faultless. This is a 50-50 and half the people will think one way, the other half will think the other.

Personally I think Webber wrecked a 1-2 for Red Bull because of not giving more room.

Red Bull's Marko turns on Webber after accident
http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ory/18930.html

Mosley blames Webber for collision
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/19255.html

Just so you know, I love playing devils advocate so I still respect you despite you being a little aussie fanboi

I still have a great respect for Webber too. He fought back fiercely and I can respect that. But it can end badly, and it did. So I understand why Red Bull is frustrated.

And I agree with Vettel that he did nothing wrong. He did a pass, misjudged how much space he had and touched but that is as they say, racing.

bse50

It was their fault with vettel admittedly focusing too much on the braking zone rather than his opponent's position (First interview he did after the accident).
We should all get over it, they were out there doing their job and had the guts to attempt and to defend such pass.

Get over it, it's racing!

PerSmitt

I cannot get over it. I am having too much fun poking ASH. To me its nothing about Red Bull anymore and all about teasing a fanboi

ASH8

Yeah,

And your Links are ALL old news, Both Marko and Mosley retracted their earlier thoughts and accusations AFTER Viewing ALL of the Vision.

Bit like the mouth running off before all the facts, Europeans are great for that.

Your BOY has a long way to go to come close to his team mate in the "experience" league...he is still a little damp behind the ears..

Looks like there are only 2 who think Kettle was in the right..

PerSmitt

Are you referring to Hamilton or Vettel as my BOY?

Both are young obviously but as a silver knight I can only have the messiah as my master. Vettel drives with spirit and is inspiring to watch, but I can only be a Hamilton fanboi.

And yes I do admit Hamilton is still inexpirienced. He is a world champion however, unlike Webber. Maybe Webber will change that this year...

PerSmitt

Oh, could you post a link where Mosley retracted his statement. I could not find it, and it is always so fun to see Mosley having to back away. It is not really his style to do so.

Btw, is it something Australian to call replays for vision?

Mazmart

iTrader: (12)

The crash was definitely Vettel's fault and I'm convinced that was what his hand gestures meant afterward as well, indicating that HE had screwed up and wasn't thinking.

Here's unrelated fantastic footage of McLaren during the race. I'm sure this will be removed from Youtube soon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBvPl13uwpc

Paul.

PerSmitt

Indeed good footage. Damn the Red Bulls could push harder through turn 8. You heard the engine revs clearly as Hamilton was forced to lift in turn 8 entry. (At least I heard it once, the rest of the video I was just enjoying the ride and not thinking about the technical parts)

alfy28

persm even though we do root for the same team and driver, i am going to have to disagree with your post. Vettle had a choice to to pass webber either in the right side of the track or the left side, which is closer to the grass. Its not webber fault that vettle decided to pass webber with the narrow space availble to him. A driver should know that a little touch of grass is going to cause the car to f up. personally i feel if he was able to pass webber with no crash, both hamilton and webber would of still take the place away from vettle, because i feel he was coming in to fast for the turn. I feel he would of over shotted the turn which would gave back postion to webber and hamilton.

PerSmitt

You are free to disagree with me as much as you want Alfy! Heck I could even take one of your photochops with a crying Vettel right about now

No but seriously, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, thats just how it is... seriously guys

And yes, it is possible Vettel was coming in too hot to the turn. But if he had braked enough he would have kept Webber on the outside. And Hamilton would slink on the inside and steal second place from Webber.

It was a very dicey situation and my only argument against Webber is that you do not fight that hard against your teammate that you risk a crash. If your teammate is coming up hot behind you with tons more momentum, give a little bit of room. Then again, you do not get to F1 by thinking, I will just let this guy pass.

PerSmitt

Cool video describing the steering wheel of the red toy car.

Horrible dubbing to English though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6HFvF-QfTo

bse50

wow... i would have to ask a special madcow simplified edition i ever were to drive that car
I think that any human would have troubles using the double paddle system with the clutch!

PerSmitt

I think it comes easy after a bit of training. Since the clutch is on both sides you always use the clutch on the opposite side of where you change gear. Thus a gear up and down becomes one trained motion for both hands.

At least that is what I think

smy266

Hey guys, a couple of friends and me made a Facebook page dedicated to Formula 1... It posts pictures and news stories, and we have our own banter chats during the race. It is called Downforce F1. If you guys could join the group/page it would be greatly appreciated. My name is Sean and I am one of the 3 admins of the page. If you need me to invite you, just PM me on here. We need as many people to join as possible.

Thanks for taking your time to read this.

alfy28

sounds good, can you post a link to your page?

alfy28

Every one here, we should get together and help Red bull put their team back together. I can send a email to let Mr. Horner know that we are here if he ever needs our help.


As Red Bull continues to put the pieces of its fractured team back together, boss Christian Horner has moved to exonerate Mark Webber's race engineer.

Initially after the Australian crashed with his teammate Sebastian Vettel while they led in Turkey, Horner and team consultant Helmut Marko pointed the finger not only at Webber but also Ciaron Pilbeam.

Race engineer Pilbeam was accused of not passing on information about the charging Vettel to Webber, and conspiracy theorists believe he refused to implement a team order.

Moreover, the official video edit of the Istanbul race published by F1's official website depicts Pilbeam instructing Webber to use his overtake Button to repel Vettel's attack.

And in an interview with the BBC published on Wednesday, Horner denied that he was calling on the pitwall for Webber to "move!" in the moments before the crash.

"I don't think I actually said 'move'," said the Briton.

"Ciaron Pilbeam has taken a bit of flak recently. He had no instruction to tell mark to move out of the way, that is 100 per cent clear.

"There was no conspiracy trying to get one car past the other or getting one to slow down," added Horner.

He also admitted that team figures had been wrong to initially blame Webber for the incident.

"In the cold light of day it was a racing accident, nothing more, nothing less. It was wrong to blame either driver," said Horner.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006092...ciaron-pilbeam

alnielsen

iTrader: (4)

http://www.cafepress.com/usfai1

smy266

Hey guys, this is the link to the page...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...1804460&ref=ts

If you could join it would be awesome. Please tell your friends about it also.

Thanks,
Sean

PerSmitt

Oh that is hilarious. A bit tasteless to make fun of others failure, but still even though it is petty I cannot help myself but smiling.

alfy28

LOl i was going to order me that hat just for kicks, but then i started to think that nascar lovers might think i am being anti U.S.. They might read it as, U.S. Fails.

PerSmitt

Speaking of Nascar, there is a Swedish driver in Nascar now for the first time ever. He is doing a one race stint now the 20th. It is not an oval track but a real circuit and the Swede driving is Mattias Ekström, multiple DTM winner and multiple Race of Champions winner.

It is the first time he drives in Nascar so I am not expecting too much, but he can be dangerous on a twisty track.

End of side note

alnielsen

iTrader: (4)

It makes me smile at the ingenuity and sad at the fact that they couldn't get it off the ground at the same time.

alfy28

Practice One - McLarens split by Schumacher

There was plenty of action as Formula One cars once again hammered round the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve on Friday morning, as Jenson Button set the pace for McLaren in opening practice for the Canadian Grand Prix.

The reigning champion was on strong form with a lap of 1m 18.127s in overcast but dry conditions, but it was tight at the top as Mercedes were also in the fight. Button’s lap was 0.158s quicker than Michael Schumacher’s best of 1m 18.285s, and right behind the legendary German came Lewis Hamilton on 1m 18.352s and Nico Rosberg with a late improvement on 1m 18.356s. Schumacher’s efforts to go faster still, however, saw him half spin in Turn Six towards the end.

Sebastian Vettel looked a little ragged as he pushed hard in his Red Bull for 1m 18.549s, while the other stars were Robert Kubica with 1m 18.662s for Renault and Fernando Alonso with 1m 18.726s for Ferrari.

Tonio Liuzzi made the best of his new Force India chassis with eighth fastest time of 1m 19.097s, and then Nico Hulkenberg and Rubens Barrichello completed the top 10 for Williams with 1m 19.282s and 1m 19.313s respectively.

Adrian Sutil was 11th in the second Force India with 1m 19.373s before spending the rest of the session in the pits, and Felipe Massa did limited running in his Ferrari en route to 1m 19.511s. Renault's Vitaly Petrov was a late improver to 13th on 1m 19.549s, while Mark Webber was down in 14th in the other Red Bull on 1m 19.609s.

Kamui Kobayashi was the day’s only full spinner, rotating his BMW Sauber at the hairpin before cutting down to 1m 20.186s for 15th ahead of Sebastien Buemi’s Toro Rosso on 1m 20.320s, Pedro de la Rosa in the other BMW Sauber on 1m 20.584s and Jamie Alguersuari on 1m 20.823s in the second Toro Rosso.

In the newbie stakes Heikki Kovalainen continued to keep Lotus in the forefront with 1m 21.869s for 19th, with an impressive Karun Chandhok right behind him on 1m 21.977s for HRT. Lotus's Jarno Trulli was next on 1m 22.543s, ahead of Bruno Senna on 1m 22.701s for HRT and Virgin's Timo Glock on 1m 22.713s. It was a difficult morning for Virgin, as Lucas di Grassi’s VR-01 ground to halt in Turn Six before he even recorded a time.

alfy28

Button changes story over Turkey 'target lap time'


Jenson Button has changed his story since controversially overtaking his teammate Lewis Hamilton during the recent Turkish grand prix.

Hamilton was unhappy after the Istanbul race because while under instructions to stick to a minimum lap time whilst conserving fuel, the sister McLaren passed him for the lead.

Button, 30, clearly stated after the race that while also conserving fuel, his engineers "didn't put a lap time on it. They just said you have got to save a bit of fuel".

After hearing those comments, Daily Telegraph correspondent Tom Cary wrote: "So is Button telling the truth or is he trying to dig himself out of a conflict with Hamilton by claiming the directions from the team were a bit vague?"

In Canada on Thursday, the Briton's story had changed.

"I was told to save fuel and I was given a (target) lap time, and that was 1m31s," Button told reporters in Montreal.

Hamilton had already confirmed after Turkey that his target lap time was 1m31s.

Button explained that he only passed Hamilton because the sister MP4-25 recorded a 1m33s "so he was 2 seconds off the lap time we were given".