Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
08-02-2010, 04:30 PM
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Vettel is the fastest driver out there at the moment, he is still young and needs to mature alot.
Alonso is just 20 points behind the lead after several bad races with a car that's not always competitive.
Umm sorry to break it to you, but did you forget that Mclaren has been way behind Redbull for the whole season, but yet hamitlon was able to lead the championship for a good while. You are sorta right though, Hamilton does need a car to keep pace with the Red Bull, but he hasnt let that hold him back this year, to say he is only good with a good car is very funny, and that me and you are watching a whole different F1 then. Because hamilton has only proven to me that is one kick **** driver, regardless if his car is same pace with the Front runners or not, he will still drive his heart out. I cant say the same for alonso though, he just cries and whines to pits taht he forgets that he is racing.
And this trick up their sleeves comment, i guess Alonso was out of tricks up his sleeve when he drove the mclaren, that a rookie driver out drove him that year in teh same car. So the only trick he had left was to block Hamilton in the pits during qulify run.. If that is the trick up the sleeves you are talking about, then I guess you are right, he is full with tricks up his sleeves.
And this trick up their sleeves comment, i guess Alonso was out of tricks up his sleeve when he drove the mclaren, that a rookie driver out drove him that year in teh same car. So the only trick he had left was to block Hamilton in the pits during qulify run.. If that is the trick up the sleeves you are talking about, then I guess you are right, he is full with tricks up his sleeves.
Nando during those years fought with Hamilton, argued with Massa and had all the circus against him but he now he works on another different level.
08-02-2010, 04:38 PM
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Drivers tend to credit Alonso and Vettel more. Hamilton lacks the talent to overtake without taking excessive risks and becomes nervous easily, making mistakes.
Vettel is the fastest driver out there at the moment, he is still young and needs to mature alot.
Alonso is just 20 points behind the lead after several bad races with a car that's not always competitive.
Hamilton was leading the championship out of RedBull's errors and i'm sure he drives his heart out but surely in a less proficuous way than other drivers do (Kubica and Alonso come to mind, Kobayashi) I used to hate Alonso durng the mclaren years too but you have to admit that he matured a lot. Please don't talk about bad tricks since Hamilton hit raikkonen in the pits
Nando during those years fought with Hamilton, argued with Massa and had all the circus against him but he now he works on another different level.
Vettel is the fastest driver out there at the moment, he is still young and needs to mature alot.
Alonso is just 20 points behind the lead after several bad races with a car that's not always competitive.
Hamilton was leading the championship out of RedBull's errors and i'm sure he drives his heart out but surely in a less proficuous way than other drivers do (Kubica and Alonso come to mind, Kobayashi) I used to hate Alonso durng the mclaren years too but you have to admit that he matured a lot. Please don't talk about bad tricks since Hamilton hit raikkonen in the pits
Nando during those years fought with Hamilton, argued with Massa and had all the circus against him but he now he works on another different level.
If i was to cause an accident with someone, i am not going to tell the police office that the reason for the accident is because i had some few tricks up my sleeves.
08-02-2010, 04:40 PM
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Also what do you mean less perfectioous way? your acting like hamilton is out their driving miss daisy around. hamlton wouldnt be voted as the most aggressive driver besides alonso for nothing.
btw bse having fun here joking with you ferrari fans. you guys tend to live on another world.
btw bse having fun here joking with you ferrari fans. you guys tend to live on another world.
08-02-2010, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bse50
Drivers tend to credit Alonso and Vettel more. Hamilton lacks the talent to overtake without taking excessive risks and becomes nervous easily, making mistakes.
Vettel is the fastest driver out there at the moment, he is still young and needs to mature alot.
Alonso is just 20 points behind the lead after several bad races with a car that's not always competitive.
Vettel is the fastest driver out there at the moment, he is still young and needs to mature alot.
Alonso is just 20 points behind the lead after several bad races with a car that's not always competitive.
The driving style you just described is Vettel to a tee; nervous, excessively risky and at times flat-out foolhardy. Let's not mistake fastest car with fastest driver. Did you just use the words "Alonso" and "maturity" in the same sentence without including "lack of"? The man is anything but mature.
Again, the McLaren chassis is not competitive and hasn't been in ages. The championship status is proof that McLaren has the best drivers, but nowhere near the best car.
Originally Posted by bse50
Hamilton was leading the championship out of RedBull's errors and i'm sure he drives his heart out but surely in a less proficuous way than other drivers do (Kubica and Alonso come to mind, Kobayashi) I used to hate Alonso durng the mclaren years too but you have to admit that he matured a lot. Please don't talk about bad tricks since Hamilton hit raikkonen in the pits
Nando during those years fought with Hamilton, argued with Massa and had all the circus against him but he now he works on another different level.
Nando during those years fought with Hamilton, argued with Massa and had all the circus against him but he now he works on another different level.
08-02-2010, 04:56 PM
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Also like to add, you said that Hamlton lacks the talent to overtake. I guess when he overtook alonso at canada or was it Aussi, (think it was canada, always tend to get the 2 tracks crossed) guess Alonso just moved out of his way, must of been team orders lol, even though alonso is driving for faggerari. i wish i can say that Alonso has awesome overtaken skills,
1. he tried to overtake a car taht was slow taht he ended up cutting corners. Then to top it all off, he played dumb which caused him to get a drive Thru
2. his AWESOME over taking skills sucked so badly that his team mate had to move to the side. Yah Alonso is the king of overtaking.
Btw i do think alonso is a really good driver.
1. he tried to overtake a car taht was slow taht he ended up cutting corners. Then to top it all off, he played dumb which caused him to get a drive Thru
2. his AWESOME over taking skills sucked so badly that his team mate had to move to the side. Yah Alonso is the king of overtaking.
Btw i do think alonso is a really good driver.
08-02-2010, 04:57 PM
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Again, the McLaren chassis is not competitive and hasn't been in ages. The championship status is proof that McLaren has the best drivers, but nowhere near the best car.
Again, nice Rosso Corsa colored glasses. For a sample of how things work when Hamilton has a competitive car, see Canada 2010. Even Button got past Alonso. How's that for driving prowess.
Again, nice Rosso Corsa colored glasses. For a sample of how things work when Hamilton has a competitive car, see Canada 2010. Even Button got past Alonso. How's that for driving prowess.
Canada 2010... Yes the race when Ferrari stated that they were hoping to just score points. I see!
Where was button during the last race? The funny thing is that McLaren fans always blame it on the car, apparently out of frustration from their driver's performance
Anyway I think that we all have to take our hats off for the tradition of an italian company that suffered from a lot of internal problems, lost a good driver for a good part of a season and still managed to get back in the game.
Brawn had a fast car last year thanks to the rule "interpretation" yet struggles to win this year with a 7times world champion driving.
RedBull got a great car together and 2 wonderful drivers but is losing in the development war right now... McLaren is left behind with only minor improvements.
It looks like Ferrari has an umbrella for when the **** hits the fan and still manages to be competitive one way or another =)
08-02-2010, 05:01 PM
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Yay its 5:00 so I am heading off to the house. But like to add one more thing, since I am on fire atm. If vettle such a awesome driver and he is able to overtake ppl, why and hell did he crash in to his team mate. Personally I think he needs to go back to the drawing board and relearn
I have never seen HAMILTON hit his fellow team mate to cause a crash while over taking someone.
I have never seen HAMILTON hit his fellow team mate to cause a crash while over taking someone.
08-02-2010, 05:13 PM
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Yay its 5:00 so I am heading off to the house. But like to add one more thing, since I am on fire atm. If vettle such a awesome driver and he is able to overtake ppl, why and hell did he crash in to his team mate. Personally I think he needs to go back to the drawing board and relearn
I have never seen HAMILTON hit his fellow team mate to cause a crash while over taking someone.
I have never seen HAMILTON hit his fellow team mate to cause a crash while over taking someone.
That's out of his own aggressiveness.
Alonso showed that he knows when to be aggressive and when to be smart (except for Kubica's overtake, still a controversy). When Vettle was pushing him to the wall he kept his line and when Vettle was chasing him during the last race he kept a manageable gap 'till the end of the race.
Alonso also wants to finish any race at any cost, do you remember when he drove an entire gran prix earlier this year with a non working clutch? He exploded the engine but he was there with the best racers even with that HUGE handicap!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5-D6vaa7E4
08-02-2010, 05:24 PM
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There are many biases here and I admit my own. Through my lenses, I believe Hamilton does the most with the chassis he's in. The best example of that is Alonso being thoroughly beaten by him in the 'same' car. Nobody in the sport has shown the overtaking ability of Hamilton in any of the years he's been out there (The Youtube vids are there for proof). If Lewis has the right equipment he is most to be feared into the first corner (In a positive way).
The biggest difference for Ferrari vs McLaren this year is the engineer that Ferrari bought away. Should that be allowed during the season and yet stealing (Or spying) documents is worth $100 m in penalty? I hope that McLaren can pick their development pace back up without that super instrumental individual.
The Red Bulls are in a league of their own this year Lewis or Nando in that chassis would be VERY tough to beat.
Paul.
The biggest difference for Ferrari vs McLaren this year is the engineer that Ferrari bought away. Should that be allowed during the season and yet stealing (Or spying) documents is worth $100 m in penalty? I hope that McLaren can pick their development pace back up without that super instrumental individual.
The Red Bulls are in a league of their own this year Lewis or Nando in that chassis would be VERY tough to beat.
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08-02-2010, 05:33 PM
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The biggest difference for Ferrari vs McLaren this year is the engineer that Ferrari bought away. Should that be allowed during the season and yet stealing (Or spying) documents is worth $100 m in penalty? I hope that McLaren can pick their development pace back up without that super instrumental individual.
Boy, that was made clear in the last race. Webber was able to pull a huge lead on the Ferrari of Alonso. I'm certain if Vettel was able to pass Alonso, he too would have.
08-02-2010, 07:44 PM
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Hamilton usually makes errors when the leading car is fast enough not to be overtaken easily
That's out of his own aggressiveness.
Alonso showed that he knows when to be aggressive and when to be smart (except for Kubica's overtake, still a controversy). When Vettle was pushing him to the wall he kept his line and when Vettle was chasing him during the last race he kept a manageable gap 'till the end of the race.
Alonso also wants to finish any race at any cost, do you remember when he drove an entire gran prix earlier this year with a non working clutch? He exploded the engine but he was there with the best racers even with that HUGE handicap!
That's out of his own aggressiveness.
Alonso showed that he knows when to be aggressive and when to be smart (except for Kubica's overtake, still a controversy). When Vettle was pushing him to the wall he kept his line and when Vettle was chasing him during the last race he kept a manageable gap 'till the end of the race.
Alonso also wants to finish any race at any cost, do you remember when he drove an entire gran prix earlier this year with a non working clutch? He exploded the engine but he was there with the best racers even with that HUGE handicap!
Nah its called he just gave up and started to cry. I dont thnk crying constitute being smart.
Vettle should of been able to pass a slower car (alonso) since webber left them in the dust. Problem is i havent seen vettle over take any of the top tier drivers this year. Only ppl i have seen him pass is the mid field crowd. If your calling that awesome overtaking skills, then i cant argu. but as for me, its just called picking on the little guys.
I can post a bunch of overtakes that hamilton has done on the big boys of F1.
Also wow am i suppose to be impressed that alonso drove a race with a bad clutch? race car drivers do it all the time. Alonso is not the first person or the last person to ever accomplish that. But maybe your wanting me to step in the kitchen to bake him a nice biggie cookie for a job well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1cPetMScHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KnHWiC2QF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM31aQcGftY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xnHP446zw
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08-02-2010, 08:06 PM
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08-02-2010, 08:16 PM
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08-02-2010, 08:29 PM
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Imagine if Massa said F to the team order in germany? this is what alonso would of done to him lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWJCGInsVUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWJCGInsVUs
08-02-2010, 09:25 PM
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some fun stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPqm7RjgtVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHVv8uz_n78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h4r0Mkfmkg
for bse and polo, always remember 2008, its the year that ferrari got owned.
the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlJWwuV9eBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPqm7RjgtVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHVv8uz_n78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h4r0Mkfmkg
for bse and polo, always remember 2008, its the year that ferrari got owned.
the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlJWwuV9eBw
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08-02-2010, 10:12 PM
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08-03-2010, 12:49 AM
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Until the the German GP, I wouldn't call Ferrari fast or a top tier team. Nor has Mercedes ever been top tier.
Also, there is a little down arrow icon next to the thread name. If you click on that, it will take you to where you left off the last time you were on the site.
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08-03-2010, 07:22 AM
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To be fair; Alonso's drive with clutch/gearbox problems was VERY impressive in terms of his lap times. You could see and hear the lapses that would cost time and yet he timed them so well that he maintained almost normal times. Brilliant I would say. Can several of the other drivers accomplish that? Maybe, maybe not. 
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08-03-2010, 07:50 AM
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To be fair; Alonso's drive with clutch/gearbox problems was VERY impressive in terms of his lap times. You could see and hear the lapses that would cost time and yet he timed them so well that he maintained almost normal times. Brilliant I would say. Can several of the other drivers accomplish that? Maybe, maybe not.
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But seriously, if there is something Hamilton can do is to pass others. He was interviewed recently and the reporter told him he had passed 32 cars so far in the season. That was something of a record. That is a sign of the Mclaren race pace and just how Hamilton grabs it by the scruff of the neck and forces it to go faster than it actually can.
08-03-2010, 09:21 AM
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Agreed. But Alfy is on the rampage and being objective is not his strongest suit then But seriously, if there is something Hamilton can do is to pass others. He was interviewed recently and the reporter told him he had passed 32 cars so far in the season. That was something of a record. That is a sign of the Mclaren race pace and just how Hamilton grabs it by the scruff of the neck and forces it to go faster than it actually can.
But seriously, if there is something Hamilton can do is to pass others. He was interviewed recently and the reporter told him he had passed 32 cars so far in the season. That was something of a record. That is a sign of the Mclaren race pace and just how Hamilton grabs it by the scruff of the neck and forces it to go faster than it actually can.