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Old 09-12-2010, 05:23 PM
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Despite their great finish today, I don't see Ferrari or Alonso having a chance at the Championship. Hamilton made a rare mistake. It's still going to come down to Red Bull & McLaren, Webber, Button & Hamilton.
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
.... buah...buah.... Just sent you a box of Kleenex Alfy... I am sure you need them now.

Of course I loved Ferrari winning this race and seriously I would not have been so disappointed even if Button won. Massa in second would have been icing on the cake though.

This goes to show you not to mess with Ferrari, especially at Monza.

I agree that RB will come back strong in Singapore... I just hope Webber is given a good car...

Now to continue celebrating.

Carlos
I wouldn't celebrate to long my friend. Ferrari will be back at the bottom and you will be eating ice cream to drown your sorrows. It's ok bud, I will give you your win, since this year it has been rare to see Ferrari on the podium. I shall be nice and give your time in glory, but we shall see who will get the last laugh. GL polo And yes I have been crying all day today.
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A dogged performance by Mark in the Italian Grand Prix resulted in him re-taking the lead of the drivers’ world championship. He entered the race, which was the final European round of the year, with a three-point deficit to Lewis Hamilton and emerged with a five-point lead.

“It was good to get some points,” says Mark, “but I came away feeling a little frustrated with sixth place because I lost too much time behind the Williams of Nico Hulkenberg. He seemed to have two lines during the race; one of them was on the circuit and the other was off it. At one stage, he was straight-lining the chicanes every other lap, but the stewards decided not to penalise him.”

The time lost behind Hulkenberg cost Mark a couple of positions during the pitstop sequence, after he started the race fourth. It was Mark’s worst grid position since the season-opener in Bahrain, but he did a good job in difficult circumstances to grab a place on the second row.

“My build-up to qualifying didn’t go smoothly,” says Mark. “I missed two practice sessions – one on Friday and another on Saturday morning – due to technical problems and I hadn’t even tried the option tyre prior to the start of qualifying. I put together a good lap in Q3 and, all things considered, I was pleased to take fourth at this, our least competitive track of the year.”

At the start of the race, Mark made a better getaway than he did at Spa-Francorchamps two weeks ago, but he got too much wheelspin on the dirty side of the grid and lost several places on the run to the first corner. He ended the opening lap in ninth place, before fighting back with great tenacity.

“I had a good scrap with Michael [Schumacher] in the early laps,” says Mark. “I got past him on lap six and then my team-mate Sebastian Vettel on lap 20, but that was as far as I got for quite a while because I got stuck behind Hulkenberg.

“He was all over the place, but he was very difficult to pass because his Williams was quick in a straight line. We were convinced that he’d get a penalty for bolting the chicane too many times, and I understand that he got a warning from Charlie [Whiting, FIA race director], but he was never asked to relinquish his position.”

Mark hoped to pass Hulkenberg in the pits, but a great pitstop by the Red Bull mechanics wasn’t quite enough to leaqfrog the German rookie. He had to pass him on the racetrack.

“I had to be quite aggressive to pass him,” says Mark, “but every world championship point was important because I knew Lewis had crashed out of the race. As soon as I was in clean air, I was able to lap much faster and I started to gain on Nico Rosberg in fifth, but I ran out of laps.”
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
Despite their great finish today, I don't see Ferrari or Alonso having a chance at the Championship. Hamilton made a rare mistake. It's still going to come down to Red Bull & McLaren, Webber, Button & Hamilton.
It's still Red Bulls to lose IMO. Their car has the best balance, the team just screws it up every chance they get. If they end up winning this it will be entirely thanks to Newey and his design on that car because it certainly hasn't been how they've ran that team this year.

I'm not sure how many of the remaining tracks favor McLaren since they're all about top speed and struggle with the slower speed stuff. Ferrari has really made some progress so I'm not so quick to say they're out of it either. It's still a race for all of them since one mistake costs you so many points!
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How many times does Hulkenberg have to be warned!!!...this is not the first time his 'driving' has been "questioned" officially....What is up with these Stewards...don't they have any ***** anymore, do they actually report/talk during the race to race control??
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I hope that HRT mechanic is OK. It looked so bad.
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“I got past him on lap six and then my team-mate Sebastian Vettel on lap 20, but that was as far as I got for quite a while because I got stuck behind Hulkenberg.
Seemed a little funny that Vettel had "engine problems" for just a little while.
Ahem, team orders, ahem.
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Originally Posted by ASH8
How many times does Hulkenberg have to be warned!!!...this is not the first time his 'driving' has been "questioned" officially....What is up with these Stewards...don't they have any ***** anymore, do they actually report/talk during the race to race control??
He has? Actually I have heard very little about Hulkenberg and he seems like a driver that makes very little impact (or is overshadowed by Barichello). When has he been critizised before?
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
Seemed a little funny that Vettel had "engine problems" for just a little while.
Ahem, team orders, ahem.
Indeed, but this team order had a lot more class than the Ferrari one!
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Originally Posted by ASH8
How many times does Hulkenberg have to be warned!!!...this is not the first time his 'driving' has been "questioned" officially....What is up with these Stewards...don't they have any ***** anymore, do they actually report/talk during the race to race control??
HMm I am not sure about this one. I never hear about hulkenburg driving till yesterday.

Time for some news

In todays news, Could Vet brake be the problem for yesterday race? Our F1 expert is standing by with new details to yesterday race, Chris.
Hi alfy, according to Aln, Perm a grand conspiracy was conspired by team RB, but that may not be the case after all. As you see, Vet loves to cry, so we would of heard him whining over the radio if that was the case. As it seem, his brake might be the reason for his temp slowness.
Alfy- that is very true, Vet would of burst into tears if Team orders was teh case
Chris- Exactly, I think these race pundit was drinking to much Kool Aid , it reminded me 08 race when hamilton was the championship. The Ferrari pundits like polo came up with some off the wall theory that Timo let Hamilton win. Now i knwo Alfy , that is a lot of kool aid drinking, but they needed something to drown their sorrows. Well back to you Alfy.

Alfy- Thanks Chris, in other news Nick Heidfield to race again? more at Singapore.

It was not an engine problem that slowed Sebastian Vettel and allowed teammate Mark Webber to pass him during the Italian grand prix.

The conspiracy theorists' eyes widened during Sunday's Monza race when the RB6 driven by Vettel, who is behind Webber in the world championship, temporarily slowed but then recovered pace after the Australian had passed him.

The young German was heard on the radio complaining of a loss of engine power, to which BBC pundit Eddie Jordan recommended him for a Bafta -- a British acting prize.

Team boss Christian Horner later clarified that the problem was not caused by the Renault engine.

"At first we thought one of his visor tear-offs might have flown into the airbox, but it now looks as though his brakes were momentarily binding, probably as the result of hitting a kerb," said the Briton.

The same conspiracy theorists were also pointing to an incident during Felipe Massa's pitstop that put the Ferrari driver out of contention for the top two places at Monza, a race won by the Brazilian's teammate Fernando Alonso.

"I don't know what happened," he said afterwards. "I just saw that they took a little bit of time to change the front right tyre."



Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11009132...#ixzz0zPpsBXdn
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11009132...re-webber-pass



Nick in, Delarosa out?

Sunday at Monza was Pedro de la Rosa's last grand prix with the Sauber team in 2010, according to a Swiss report.

The Blick newspaper, with close links to the Hinwil based team's chief Peter Sauber, said Nick Heidfeld will definitely be driving the Ferrari-powered C29 from now on, starting with the Singapore night race in two weeks.

The news will almost certainly result in Nick Heidfeld, who this year was formerly Mercedes' reserve driver, relinquishing his new role as test driver for the 2011 tyre supplier Pirelli.

It will be the third Sauber tenure for German Heidfeld, 33, who also drove for the Swiss team in 2000-2003 and 2006-2009.

"This makes sense," wrote veteran Blick correspondent Roger Benoit, "because Sauber wants to make up the 20 point arrears to Williams, in order to finish the world championship in seventh position."

Compared with rookie teammate Kamui Kobayashi's 21 points, long-time McLaren test driver de la Rosa has scored just 6 points on his return to the F1 grid this season



Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11009132...#ixzz0zPr3pAU9
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11009132...from-singapore

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Horner blows more smoke than Ferrari does so excuse me if I'm not so convinced in what he's talking about. That guy is just as much of an asshat as Ferrari if you ask me.

Remember that SV finished ahead of MW. He can't whine when that happens.
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Originally Posted by RWatters
Horner blows more smoke than Ferrari does so excuse me if I'm not so convinced in what he's talking about. That guy is just as much of an asshat as Ferrari if you ask me.

Remember that SV finished ahead of MW. He can't whine when that happens.
During the U.S (Speed TV) broadcast, there were comments about brake dust coming from Button's car. However, there was no mention of it from Vettel's. You would think that we would have heard something at that time. Also, these parts are made light and to only last for the duration of a race. If there was a brake lock up problem, I don't think the car would finish.

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Post race analysis of Vettel's car confirmed it was due to the brakes.
http://en.espnf1.com/italy/motorsport/story/28284.html
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Cosworth, Lotus agree to end deal

Cosworth has announced that it has reached an agreement to end its current engine supply deal with the Lotus team.
More @ http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86677
Also @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/8993100.stm
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/63...us-to-end-deal
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Did McLaren get it wrong?

How about a resounding "yes". Another race lost to a slower pit crew and bad strategy.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...ging-decision/
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I think Button's setup would have suited Lewis' driving style a little better. The choice of lower down force for Lewis was a poor one in my opinion. He should not have had to start from 5th but, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

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HMm I am not sure about this one. I never hear about hulkenburg driving till yesterday.
I'm suspecting it is because ASH8's darling Webber who suffered behind Hulkenberg that ASH8 is mobilizing a crusade.

I'm not defending Hulkenberg, but I don't want to condemn him either. He has been driving very well for a rookie up till now.

I can understand Hulkenberg though, he fought as hard as he could and got over the limit several times when pressed by Webber. Kind of easy for a rookie to go over the limit and lose control. But if he gets out of a situation ahead of Webber he should not just relinquish the position. It should be a call from Whiting that tells him to leave over the position.

Well Webber did solve the situation elegantly with a very nice daring pass. Much more fun to watch than Hulkenberg handing it over on a referee call.
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Originally Posted by Mazmart
I think Button's setup would have suited Lewis' driving style a little better. The choice of lower down force for Lewis was a poor one in my opinion. He should not have had to start from 5th but, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Paul.
I'm with you there. After qualifying I was thinking, damn...as agressive as Hamilton is, he could probably use the extra downforce with the Fduct system, and Button is smooth enough to keep the low downforce configuration on the track. I think Hamilton was looking for whatever advantage he could get over Button and the rest of the field.
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I'm with you there. After qualifying I was thinking, damn...as agressive as Hamilton is, he could probably use the extra downforce with the Fduct system, and Button is smooth enough to keep the low downforce configuration on the track. I think Hamilton was looking for whatever advantage he could get over Button and the rest of the field.
Yeah, Hamilton said it himself that in hindsight he made the wrong call. A bad weekend simply put.
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Despite their great finish today, I don't see Ferrari or Alonso having a chance at the Championship. Hamilton made a rare mistake. It's still going to come down to Red Bull & McLaren, Webber, Button & Hamilton.
As much as I like to think it's a McLaren and Red Bull fight, I don't think it's gonna go down just like that, another mistake, another DNF and it's bye bye for either one of them. Points spread from Alonso to Webber now is 24 only
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I would never count out McLaren. They are too good at making their car faster and using the courts to foul up their opponents. IMO Red Bull wing has not been flexing as much in the last few races. That could just be the low downforce nature of Spa and Monza, so we'll see at Singapore. Also very impressed with Button this year. Always knew he was good hustling around those awful Hondas (except 2004), but he's becoming great.



It would be great if Massa has an "accident" that brings out the safety car that enables eyebrow man to win the next race.

Especially if it involves a spring from Barrichello's Williams.

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It would be great if Massa has an "accident" that brings out the safety car that enables eyebrow man to win the next race.

Especially if it involves a spring from Barrichello's Williams.
LMAO

Pitwall- Massa , flaming horse is about to pit
Massa - Roger Roger
Pitwall- Are you stronger then a brick wall? can you confirm this





Iceman setting up for a return to the F1 world? I sure hope so, miss this funny interviews.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86688
Raikkonen bids for 2011 Renault seat
Kimi Raikkonen is making a fresh bid to return to Formula 1 next year after approaching the Renault team for a drive in 2011, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Although it had looked likely that Raikkonen would remain in the World Rally Championship next year after his switch of discipline for this season, AUTOSPORT has learned that Raikkonen has renewed his interest in getting back to grand prix racing.

Sources have revealed that in the wake of Renault's impressive form at the Belgian Grand Prix, Raikkonen approached the French car manufacturer with the intent of putting a deal together.

It is not clear, however, whether Raikkonen spoke to Renault himself or if it was done through his management team.

Raikkonen has always insisted that he would only come back to F1 if he was in a competitive car - and that is something that Renault now appears to be able to offer him.

But despite Raikkonen's credentials, Renault is in no rush to advance talks with him - and it is still holding on for current driver Vitaly Petrov to prove he can deliver what the team is demanding of him.

Renault team principal Eric Boullier confirmed that Raikkonen had approached the team - and is in contention for a seat alongside Robert Kubica in 2011.

"It is true that the summer has passed and we have had more and more requests - and the guy you mentioned [Raikkonen] is on the radar now," Boullier told AUTOSPORT.

"He is on the radar because he contacted us."

Boullier has long said that the team will keep Petrov next year if the Russian can improve his consistency throughout a whole race weekend - and not make silly errors like his spin in qualifying in Spa and blocking Timo Glock in qualifying at Monza.

When asked what Petrov had to do to convince Renault that he is a better option than Raikkonen, Boullier said: "He is not very far away to be honest.

"It is still very complicated for him to have a complete weekend and be faultless, and that is where he needs to work and focus on, and develop clearly his commitment and dedication."

One of the attractions of Petrov is the commercial possibilities he opens up in Russia, and Boullier said Renault would have to change its approach if it decided to take the Raikkonen route.

"It would be a different strategy for the team," he said. "And that is not a question of personality or having a world championship title - it will cost me more if he is world champion than if he is not. It is not a question of this - it is a different strategy.

"You work differently if you have a rookie - and in supporting him - than if you have two experienced drivers. So it is different.

"We need to think about it. But the priority is Vitaly, and to see how he will develop. If we are convinced then we will keep him definitely. This is the first option.

But there are several other options, and one of them is Kimi."

Boullier said he expected a decision on Renault's 2011 driver line-up to be made before the end of the season.
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That one where he was "just having a ****" comes to mind.

"flaming horse" - LOL That's just great. I'm going to start calling him that from now on.

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That one where he was "just having a ****" comes to mind.

"flaming horse" - LOL That's just great. I'm going to start calling him that from now on.
Lol anything to **** off the alonso fans makes my day (polo, BSE)


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