Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
10-26-2010, 06:34 AM
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By the way, I am a bit worried about Ferrari now. They have always been strong on Interlagos and I think Alonso can win there. Just as I think Hamilton can win in Abu Dhabi.
If that happens I am afraid Alonso will win the championship (ruling out that he nukes his final engine). What do you other guys think, and even you tifoso girls
If that happens I am afraid Alonso will win the championship (ruling out that he nukes his final engine). What do you other guys think, and even you tifoso girls
10-26-2010, 11:57 AM
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Not good if true.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11010262...t-title-rivals
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11010262...t-title-rivals
Gerhard Berger has accused Mark Webber of wanting to take out a championship rival after crashing in Sunday's Korean grand prix.
Australian Webber, who at the time was leading the world championship by 14 points, spun on a wet kerb whilst running second at Yeongam and struck the wall.
But his Red Bull then rolled back across the circuit, collecting the Mercedes of Nico Rosberg.
"I don't understand why Webber didn't hit the brakes," said Rosberg. "It was crazy to roll back across the track like that."
Former grand prix winner Berger said on Monday: "He could have hit the brakes and stopped the car at the wall.
"He took out Rosberg, but it was the wrong one. I think in his mind he would have preferred Alonso or Hamilton," the former Ferrari and McLaren driver told Austrian Servus TV.
Asked to clarify whether he thinks Webber's move was deliberate, Berger - a former co-owner of the second Red Bull team Toro Rosso - added: "Yes, I think that's very clear.
"He goes off and he knows it's over. In this moment you're frustrated and a thousand thoughts go through your head.
"It's very obvious, you can see his wheels are not locked up. Perhaps he had a brake problem, but I don't think so."
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Australian Webber, who at the time was leading the world championship by 14 points, spun on a wet kerb whilst running second at Yeongam and struck the wall.
But his Red Bull then rolled back across the circuit, collecting the Mercedes of Nico Rosberg.
"I don't understand why Webber didn't hit the brakes," said Rosberg. "It was crazy to roll back across the track like that."
Former grand prix winner Berger said on Monday: "He could have hit the brakes and stopped the car at the wall.
"He took out Rosberg, but it was the wrong one. I think in his mind he would have preferred Alonso or Hamilton," the former Ferrari and McLaren driver told Austrian Servus TV.
Asked to clarify whether he thinks Webber's move was deliberate, Berger - a former co-owner of the second Red Bull team Toro Rosso - added: "Yes, I think that's very clear.
"He goes off and he knows it's over. In this moment you're frustrated and a thousand thoughts go through your head.
"It's very obvious, you can see his wheels are not locked up. Perhaps he had a brake problem, but I don't think so."
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10-26-2010, 12:11 PM
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I hope that is the case.
Fernando Alonso is not ready to relax despite leaping into a strong points position with just two races left to run in 2010.
It is true that, now with an 11-point lead over Mark Webber, if the Spaniard wins in Brazil in two weeks and his Australian rival is fifth or lower, Alonso will secure his third drivers' world championship with a race to spare.
But McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh, whose drivers are also still mathematically in the hunt, said: "There is little doubt now the championship decider is going to be in Abu Dhabi."
Alonso agrees that he cannot rely on another Korea-like outcome before then.
"Red Bull showed us again in Korea that they are stronger than us, and that will be the same in Brazil and Abu Dhabi as well," the Ferrari driver told El Pais newspaper.
"So what we need is another small step forward to be competitive. We must be on the podium. If someone beats us now, congratulations -- winning or losing will depend on who is faster, on reliability and on luck," added the 29-year-old.
In comments published by Italy's La Stampa, Alonso said he is not interested in the mathematical possibility of him becoming champion in Brazil.
"Yes, that's true -- and if Red Bull miss their plane to Brazil, that's another way to be champion," he joked.
"The odds remain in favour of Red Bull."
Alonso said the only mathematical certainty is that he cannot lose the championship at Interlagos in two weeks.
"In Korea I have only guaranteed to be fighting in Abu Dhabi in the last race of the season," he confirmed.
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It is true that, now with an 11-point lead over Mark Webber, if the Spaniard wins in Brazil in two weeks and his Australian rival is fifth or lower, Alonso will secure his third drivers' world championship with a race to spare.
But McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh, whose drivers are also still mathematically in the hunt, said: "There is little doubt now the championship decider is going to be in Abu Dhabi."
Alonso agrees that he cannot rely on another Korea-like outcome before then.
"Red Bull showed us again in Korea that they are stronger than us, and that will be the same in Brazil and Abu Dhabi as well," the Ferrari driver told El Pais newspaper.
"So what we need is another small step forward to be competitive. We must be on the podium. If someone beats us now, congratulations -- winning or losing will depend on who is faster, on reliability and on luck," added the 29-year-old.
In comments published by Italy's La Stampa, Alonso said he is not interested in the mathematical possibility of him becoming champion in Brazil.
"Yes, that's true -- and if Red Bull miss their plane to Brazil, that's another way to be champion," he joked.
"The odds remain in favour of Red Bull."
Alonso said the only mathematical certainty is that he cannot lose the championship at Interlagos in two weeks.
"In Korea I have only guaranteed to be fighting in Abu Dhabi in the last race of the season," he confirmed.
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10-26-2010, 12:23 PM
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I hope Ferrari tunes the crap out of Alonso engine. I want Alonso car to move so fast that it.........
10-26-2010, 06:15 PM
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I'm wondering if Ferrari may take a grid spot penalty at Brazil (knowing you can pass there) to give Alonso a good engine for the last race? Certainly something to ponder.
10-26-2010, 07:15 PM
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Red Bull's edge is not from horsepower but rather in aerodynamic down force. The advantage may go to McLaren through engine reliability through the last two races. This could very well be a factor.
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10-27-2010, 02:36 AM
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That Webber thought about taking one of his rivals down with him I have no doubt. We are also talking about the world's most competitive people. In that split second when the entire world is spinning all it takes is a moment of hesitation to brake and thus letting the car slide out again and clip a competitor.
I am definitely not saying that Webber wanted to take out an opponent. I'm just saying that in that split second when you must act on instinct you can find out a lot of weird things about yourself.
10-27-2010, 02:53 AM
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Knowing ferrari they probably have like a couple of engines ready to go somehow =)
Jokes aside, having no fresh engines left is not this huge problem, if they played right now they should have some good broken in engines with just some horsepower losses. A new engine can break down easily.. a known unit shouldn't!
Jokes aside, having no fresh engines left is not this huge problem, if they played right now they should have some good broken in engines with just some horsepower losses. A new engine can break down easily.. a known unit shouldn't!
10-27-2010, 06:32 AM
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Knowing ferrari they probably have like a couple of engines ready to go somehow =)
Jokes aside, having no fresh engines left is not this huge problem, if they played right now they should have some good broken in engines with just some horsepower losses. A new engine can break down easily.. a known unit shouldn't!
Jokes aside, having no fresh engines left is not this huge problem, if they played right now they should have some good broken in engines with just some horsepower losses. A new engine can break down easily.. a known unit shouldn't!
I always heard that the safest you could get is a brand new engine in the F1 car. Can Aln confirm or deny this please?
10-27-2010, 06:41 AM
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It is true to an extent and i can confirm this.
My thought came out from the fact that the last few races didn't see a lot of engine abuse because of safety car deployement, inclement weather etc.
A new engine can always pop (that's the major risk, think about ferrari at the beginning of this season), those last "half used" engines should suffice.
Especially Ferrari is using the lowest mileage engines for the race\qualifying and is keeping the worn ones for the free practices.
I don't know if you have noticed this: They are putting a lot of free practice laps but then limit their laps in qualifying
My thought came out from the fact that the last few races didn't see a lot of engine abuse because of safety car deployement, inclement weather etc.
A new engine can always pop (that's the major risk, think about ferrari at the beginning of this season), those last "half used" engines should suffice.
Especially Ferrari is using the lowest mileage engines for the race\qualifying and is keeping the worn ones for the free practices.
I don't know if you have noticed this: They are putting a lot of free practice laps but then limit their laps in qualifying
10-27-2010, 07:02 AM
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10-27-2010, 07:04 AM
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Alonso as good as Senna - Berger
continued at http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/32322.html
Horner admits Vettel engine situation 'not ideal'
continued at http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=392508:F1
Fernando Alonso can be mentioned in the same breath as Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher according to former Formula One driver Gerhard Berger.
Coming from Berger, who was Senna's team-mate and great friend, it is high praise indeed.
Coming from Berger, who was Senna's team-mate and great friend, it is high praise indeed.
Horner admits Vettel engine situation 'not ideal'
Christian Horner hopes Sebastian Vettel's engine situation does not further dent his championship chances.
The Red Bull driver retired from the lead of the Korean Grand Prix last Sunday with a sudden and catastrophic failure of his Renault engine.
The 2.4 litre V8 unit that failed was the eighth he has used in races so far in 2010, but it had successfully completed 1600km of its projected life of 2000km.
The Red Bull driver retired from the lead of the Korean Grand Prix last Sunday with a sudden and catastrophic failure of his Renault engine.
The 2.4 litre V8 unit that failed was the eighth he has used in races so far in 2010, but it had successfully completed 1600km of its projected life of 2000km.
10-27-2010, 08:52 AM
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I look up to you for guidance. Now who I do I look up to now, if you don't know .@BSE doesn't the engine get damage if the car is running slow, which causes more heat to sit around the engine bay.
10-27-2010, 03:28 PM
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Power!!
About Webber taking out rivals. In a crash situation like that 2 million thoughts fly through your mind. When competing those thoughts are not always nice to your fellow competitors.
That Webber thought about taking one of his rivals down with him I have no doubt. We are also talking about the world's most competitive people. In that split second when the entire world is spinning all it takes is a moment of hesitation to brake and thus letting the car slide out again and clip a competitor.
I am definitely not saying that Webber wanted to take out an opponent. I'm just saying that in that split second when you must act on instinct you can find out a lot of weird things about yourself.
That Webber thought about taking one of his rivals down with him I have no doubt. We are also talking about the world's most competitive people. In that split second when the entire world is spinning all it takes is a moment of hesitation to brake and thus letting the car slide out again and clip a competitor.
I am definitely not saying that Webber wanted to take out an opponent. I'm just saying that in that split second when you must act on instinct you can find out a lot of weird things about yourself.
10-27-2010, 04:47 PM
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10-27-2010, 07:56 PM
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The suggestion that Webber was trying to take out a rival seems ludicrous to me. That wreck was fast and violent. I have not seen any indication of such malicious thought process from him.
This end of season is going to be VERY exciting.
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This end of season is going to be VERY exciting.
Paul.