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Old 11-11-2010, 02:23 AM
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So lets pray for a Hamilton win and that Alonso's engine says bye bye and that Red Bull suddenly becomes really slow

Seriously this is going to be so exciting to watch the qualifier and the start.
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^ yes that's exactly how it's gonna pan out this week.
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I'm seeing a Webber, Vettel, Alonso finish position.
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I'm seeing Vettel, Webber, Alonso.

If I were Vettel I would not be able to hand over the position to Webber. Just imagine handing over the position and then a flat tire or engine failure made Alonso DNF. Just the posibility of having handed over the championship then is horrible.

Nothing is over until you have caught the checkered flag and an engine failure can happen on the last lap as much as it can happen in the middle of the race.
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No Team Orders @ Red Bull??? THAT IS BULL !!!!

No Team Orders @ Red Bull??? THAT IS BULL !!!!

Read on... ANY TEAM, ANY TEAM will do Team orders one way or another...

Fancy word Mr. Newey uses here... "Magnanimous"....

Taken from Planet F1...

http://www.planetf1.com/news/18227/6...e-magnanimous-


Red Bull technical chief Adrian Newey has urged Sebastian Vettel to be "magnanimous" should he find himself in a position where he can help Mark Webber become Formula One World Champion.

Newey has been the brains behind Red Bull's astonishing rise over the last six years, the team emerging from the wreckage of Jaguar's failure to become Constructors' Champions.

But with one race remaining in Abu Dhabi on Sunday, for Newey the crowning glory to a remarkable year would be to see either Webber or Vettel clinch the Drivers' crown.

Webber stands eight points behind Ferrari's Fernando Alonso, with Vettel 15 points back, guaranteeing a pulsating end to the season.

One of the major talking points, though, is whether Vettel will aid Webber's cause should he be in a position to do so, and so prevent Alonso from winning his third World Championship.

"We've always said we would leave the drivers to it. It's a Drivers' Championship, and that's how it should be," said Newey.

"We would honestly like to win both (titles) if we possibly could, and if we're in a position where we can win the drivers', that is what we must do now.

"Ultimately, if one of the drivers is out if it, then I hope he would be magnanimous enough to help the other."

Despite the friction that has existed between Webber and Vettel this season, highlighted by fall-outs such as after their crash in Turkey, Newey feels the team have acted fairly with both drivers.

"They have pushed each other hard, which is good, a little bit too hard once or twice, but overall we're very happy," added Newey.

"At the end of the day it is a Drivers' Championship and that means there shouldn't be team orders."

In helping Red Bull clinch the Constructors' title, Newey has now completed a stunning hat-trick after previously designing race and title-winning cars with Williams and McLaren.

From virtually nothing with Red Bull, however, his sentiments after this success were understandable.

"Williams and McLaren had already won Championships as they were well established teams, so this one is certainly very special," said Newey.

"To join Red Bull and develop the car from what was Jaguar, from a mid-field runner to where we are now, is fantastic.

"In a way I've had to pinch myself because when I joined we had aspirations, but having those and achieving it are two different things.

"I still can't quite believe it, and to get both would be amazing. We can but hope, but what can you do.

"The car has proved itself to be capable of it, but we've had some bad luck here and there.
Just because they don't have the ***** like Ferrari to do it in public does not mean they don't do it...

Read ON... You be the judges...

Carlos

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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
No Team Orders @ Red Bull??? THAT IS BULL !!!!

Read on... ANY TEAM, ANY TEAM will do Team orders one way or another...

Fancy word Mr. Newey uses here... "Magnanimous"....

Taken from Planet F1...

http://www.planetf1.com/news/18227/6...e-magnanimous-




Just because they don't have the ***** like Ferrari to do it in public does not mean they don't do it...

Read ON... You be the judges...

Carlos

well not everyone is like Ferrari. I guess redbull feels it best to win fair and square, and not have the champsionship given to them. /shrug.

personally i think vet was the favored driver this year. I really think they thought Webber would not do good this year.

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I don't think what Ferrari told Massa was any different than what they would to any car that was going to over take him. I use a scanner at races and hear the communications between team & drivers. A spotter is used mainly at track where you can see most of the way around. In F1, you have the instant timing with the track split into thirds and can easily tell who is faster and plot where they are on the track. If you were listening to the slower teams communications, you would hear them warning them of the faster cars coming up to pass.
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
I don't think what Ferrari told Massa was any different than what they would to any car that was going to over take him. I use a scanner at races and hear the communications between team & drivers. A spotter is used mainly at track where you can see most of the way around. In F1, you have the instant timing with the track split into thirds and can easily tell who is faster and plot where they are on the track. If you were listening to the slower teams communications, you would hear them warning them of the faster cars coming up to pass.
Well why would Massa be so upset after and refuse to cheer at the podium? Especially since he had to be contacted multiple times to "confirm that you understand the message". No that was a blatant team order and it stank.

All Ferrari fans who keep bashing Red Bull now are only trying to justify Ferrari's own actions. They are afraid Alonso will win with less than 8 points and thus the victory would be tainted.

Let me break it to you Ferrari fans who bash Red Bull. It will be tainted if he wins with 7 points or less. So stop bashing Red Bull who are standing for great sport this year. You are only embarrassing yourselves.
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Originally Posted by PerSmitt
Well why would Massa be so upset after and refuse to cheer at the podium? Especially since he had to be contacted multiple times to "confirm that you understand the message". No that was a blatant team order and it stank.

All Ferrari fans who keep bashing Red Bull now are only trying to justify Ferrari's own actions. They are afraid Alonso will win with less than 8 points and thus the victory would be tainted.

Let me break it to you Ferrari fans who bash Red Bull. It will be tainted if he wins with 7 points or less. So stop bashing Red Bull who are standing for great sport this year. You are only embarrassing yourselves.
Red Bull is just a bunch of hypocrites!! We ALL know they favor Vettel... If Vettel was in Webber's position, do you think they will not have already given team orders? Who are we kidding? Why do you think Webber has had such hard time within the team?

Also, it's so stupid to keep criticizing Alonso's effort. He would have passed Massa anyways... Up to now, Ferrari has been a ONE Driver team, and not because he is #1 but because Massa has done NOTHING, NOTHING to justify he is at Ferrari. Any other driver would have given up the title long ago... I will expect Massa to leave Ferrari next year.. Actually I want him to leave.

Whether it's 1, 7, 8, 25 points.... if Alonso wins the title, HE DESERVES it...

I will not say this anymore. We are not afraid he wins the title. I am afraid he could be taken out of contention by another driver....

On the other hand, we can't claim victory yet... It'll be an interesting weekend for sure..

Carlos
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
Red Bull is just a bunch of hypocrites!! We ALL know they favor Vettel... If Vettel was in Webber's position, do you think they will not have already given team orders? Who are we kidding? Why do you think Webber has had such hard time within the team?

Also, it's so stupid to keep criticizing Alonso's effort. He would have passed Massa anyways... Up to now, Ferrari has been a ONE Driver team, and not because he is #1 but because Massa has done NOTHING, NOTHING to justify he is at Ferrari. Any other driver would have given up the title long ago... I will expect Massa to leave Ferrari next year.. Actually I want him to leave.

Whether it's 1, 7, 8, 25 points.... if Alonso wins the title, HE DESERVES it...

I will not say this anymore. We are not afraid he wins the title. I am afraid he could be taken out of contention by another driver....

On the other hand, we can't claim victory yet... It'll be an interesting weekend for sure..

Carlos
Hey I agree with you, If alonso wins ths year
I feel he deserves it. Only because he has helped his team come from the bottom to where it is now.

But as for Hock, we will never know if he could of passed massa up, because that moment was taken away from the F1 fans due to Alonso crying over the radio. If Alonso such an awesome driver (which i tink he is ) then he wouldn't need any ones help, and if he would of crashed into massa in the process, then that is part of racing. Racing shouldn't be fixed , but should be about testing a driver skills.

So if Alonso wins by any where near 7 points, then we know that it was not due to his skills as a driver, because like i said, His crying stole that moment away from the F1 world. Which is sad, becaue this year win will always be remember as Alonso getting a free pass.
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
Red Bull is just a bunch of hypocrites!! We ALL know they favor Vettel... If Vettel was in Webber's position, do you think they will not have already given team orders? Who are we kidding? Why do you think Webber has had such hard time within the team?
Of course, thats why last year Webber was allowed to fight for the title until he was mathematically out of it. Even if Vettel was in the lead that year there was no no #1 nor no #2 until Webber was out. So no, Red Bull are consistent and you are mistaken.

Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
Also, it's so stupid to keep criticizing Alonso's effort. He would have passed Massa anyways... Up to now, Ferrari has been a ONE Driver team, and not because he is #1 but because Massa has done NOTHING, NOTHING to justify he is at Ferrari. Any other driver would have given up the title long ago... I will expect Massa to leave Ferrari next year.. Actually I want him to leave.
Aren't you a loyal supporter? You used to love Massa, what happened? Just because he is pressed into a corner with no moving space because he has a teammate that takes all place you find Massa is crap. Or maybe you conveniently forgot how Alonso in the beginning of the year made a really ugly pass on Massa deporting him to the back of the grid because he had to wait for Alonso to pit during a SC period. Oh did I mention that Alonso forced Massa off the track in the pass in the pit lane. Here is the link in case you had forgotten:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty0A4v2H11U

Did you also happen to forget Alonso shredded Massa's tire forcing him to pit directly at the start in one race? I mean how ruthless are you when trying to pass your teammate?

And Ferrari has been accepting this because it is the great Alonso. No wonder that Massa has performed poorly. Alonso has taken all the space and once you lose your self-confidence it is not easy to perform on top level. But it is really disgusting to see a supporter like you just diss Massa for it.


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Whether it's 1, 7, 8, 25 points.... if Alonso wins the title, HE DESERVES it...
If it is by 7 points or less he was given the victory. No matter how much you shout otherwise on an internet forum it doesn't change the fact. That he will be world champion then, sure. But it will not be deserved unless it is by 8 points or more.

Scream all you want about it. The Ferrari and Alonso fans will obviously agree with you, but the rest of the racing fans will remember the team order and be disgusted. Thats how it is.
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Originally Posted by PerSmitt
Of course, thats why last year Webber was allowed to fight for the title until he was mathematically out of it. Even if Vettel was in the lead that year there was no no #1 nor no #2 until Webber was out. So no, Red Bull are consistent and you are mistaken.

Aren't you a loyal supporter? You used to love Massa, what happened? Just because he is pressed into a corner with no moving space because he has a teammate that takes all place you find Massa is crap. Or maybe you conveniently forgot how Alonso in the beginning of the year made a really ugly pass on Massa deporting him to the back of the grid because he had to wait for Alonso to pit during a SC period. Oh did I mention that Alonso forced Massa off the track in the pass in the pit lane. Here is the link in case you had forgotten:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty0A4v2H11U

Did you also happen to forget Alonso shredded Massa's tire forcing him to pit directly at the start in one race? I mean how ruthless are you when trying to pass your teammate?

And Ferrari has been accepting this because it is the great Alonso. No wonder that Massa has performed poorly. Alonso has taken all the space and once you lose your self-confidence it is not easy to perform on top level. But it is really disgusting to see a supporter like you just diss Massa for it.



If it is by 7 points or less he was given the victory. No matter how much you shout otherwise on an internet forum it doesn't change the fact. That he will be world champion then, sure. But it will not be deserved unless it is by 8 points or more.

Scream all you want about it. The Ferrari and Alonso fans will obviously agree with you, but the rest of the racing fans will remember the team order and be disgusted. Thats how it is.
Thanks for taking the time to answer this. Yes indeed, we Ferrari fans deserve this level of attention...

Bottom line I feel that to be part of a team, any team, especially Ferrari, you MUST do your best. Massa has been nothing but mediocre this season and Alonso has carried out the team like no other...Just imagine if Massa was also fighting for poles and such...

I am aware what he did to Massa at the beginning of the year. Was that right? no. Was it needed? you betcha. Ferrari needed someone like Alonso to go back to be one of the best teams outthere... Massa alone or anybody else for that matter would not have been able to pull it off.

Sometimes it takes a strong individual to do this and Ferrari needed the best. This is why, even though I still like Massa, I believe he is no Ferrari material. He does not have what it takes...period.

Webber and Vettel last year? Of course they had to fight it out... where do you think all this favoritism comes from? It'll always be this way at RB... This is why they are such hipocrites, just like the people that say "there are no team orders"... my ***.

But heck... Maybe Alonso does not even win the championship... Who cares!! Let's face it. Seeing a red Ferrari at the front and with a possibility of getting the WC is priceless... and some of you can't stomach that... Welcome back to reality... Ferrari is back baby... and next year will beimpossible to beat.

Carlos
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Redbull has already given team orders, it's gonna be an interesting race.
http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi.../11/11512.html
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McLaren... Rising, Rising and rising :D not lets hope the bulls and the horses crash and burn :D
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Lewis has led the charge in practice. I hope he can stay away from P Diddy. That crowd is of no benefit to a serious young champion; at least that's what I think.

http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi.../11/11519.html

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Originally Posted by Mazmart
Lewis has led the charge in practice. I hope he can stay away from P Diddy. That crowd is of no benefit to a serious young champion; at least that's what I think.

http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi.../11/11519.html

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favorite part of the interview

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Q: What has counted against you more this year - the DNFs or the fact that the Red Bull and Ferrari cars were better than the McLaren?

LH: Definitely the DNFs in Singapore, Monza, Barcelona and Hungary, but also the points that we lost in Suzuka. At the end of the day it is a mixture of things - as a team we win and we lose together. Sometimes the car has not been perfect and sometimes I have not been perfect. Our goal at the beginning of the year is always to have a competitive car, and not be trying to catch anyone up. So Jenson (Button), myself and the rest of the team are working on this very hard already for next year"

Q: If you don’t win the title, who do you think deserves it most?LH: They are all fantastic drivers, and all of them have worked very hard. The one that I feel is maybe a little more deserving of the title would be Mark Webber. He has really done a great job for Minardi at the beginning of his career, worked his way up and most probably only got his hands on a car that could win the title now. He has taken a lot of negative feelings in his team, and he has come out knowing that his team mate is favourite. So I guess he has done a damn good job.

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So does this mean..say if Vet is in Position 1 with 3 laps to go, Webber 2, and red Al 3, Vettel will allow Webber to pass and take the championship??

I have not studied all the numbers, but is this how it may pan out?...

ALL I can say is GO MARK, out of ALL the drivers this guy DESERVES the Title.

He IS a true Gentleman, and a Great driver who has bad VERY bad cars over his career.
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He IS a true Gentleman, and a Great driver who has bad VERY bad cars over his career.
Looking at Vettel's time the car was great, but Webber fell for the pressure of the championship.

Anyways, it is a long race tomorrow so he might make up for it.

Its going to be extremely exciting tomorrow, thats for certain.
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Looking forward to watching the race tomorrow, it's gonna be interesting for sure!
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Looking forward to watching the race tomorrow, it's gonna be interesting for sure!
Lol was about to post the same shxt. well back to bed for me
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wow, i'm really interested in seeing wt's gonna happen tmr, webber's wayyyyyyy too behind to let vettel give him a spot. hmmmm my hopes of redbull ferrari 3 way crash still stands :D
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I believe Hamilton will take the lead on the first lap. IF Vettel beats Hamilton it will be during the pit stops. Hamilton has absolutely nothing to lose. He must win and if he doesn't he is out of the championship so he will be ruthless when trying to pass. Vettel on the other hand needs points and not necessarily a victory and therefore he will take it calmer and be more careful.

It is going to be really fun to watch how it evolves with the two McLarens going full out. And Vettel, Webber and Alonso knows they must not DNF because then they are out.
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I believe Vettel will be very concerned about Hamilton and try to push him to the side giving Alonso a very great start. Avoiding disaster into the first corner will be interesting.

I can't wait for this race. I'm a Ham fan to the end though. I think he can win this race. Some of the obstacles to his win include tire maintenance and speed of pit stops. I think Ferrari is quicker in the pits (Although more likely to leave the wheel nut loose) .

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Originally Posted by Mazmart
I believe Vettel will be very concerned about Hamilton and try to push him to the side giving Alonso a very great start. Avoiding disaster into the first corner will be interesting.

I can't wait for this race. I'm a Ham fan to the end though. I think he can win this race. Some of the obstacles to his win include tire maintenance and speed of pit stops. I think Ferrari is quicker in the pits (Although more likely to leave the wheel nut loose) .

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Well if Hamilton gets to #1 spot from the start he will be very hard to overtake. The best overtaking spot is the end of the long straight, where the McLaren is strong. There are also possibilities in sector 3, but that is mostly if the driver in front does a mistake.

I will be cheering for Hamilton all the way tomorrow!
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Interesting qualifying results. Hopefully it'll be an interesting race as well.


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