I remember McLaren saying that they make a new part every 27 minutes to develop their cars so I would think Ferrari are similar. They would have been working back at the factory last week and throughout the race even, developing new bits. The time to put them on the car and test it is another thing.

I agree with you that a longer time yields more parts. We'll see.

Paul.

 

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Please allow me some fanboi-ism
I want Hamilton to be the best of the three so allow me my illusions

I had actually felt that Button was more stable than Webber. They are both very experienced drivers.

Last practice:
1 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:37.688
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:37.854
3 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:37.935
10 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:39.327

Its just that Webber has been outclassed so far this year by his teammates. Considering that the red bull dominated the first race it should have been a 1-2

Australia:
1 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 58 1:29:30.259
5 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 58 +38.1 secs

Both Button and Hamilton has also had bad results due to a bit of bad luck or other circumstances. The difference is that they don't have a superior car.

So I will stick with my belief that Button > Webber

 

Quote from last free practice:
Right I take back that the bad result in last practice was Webber's fault.

 

Hamilton and Vettel would have had the lead in the 90s with the real f1s... They both know how to drive at the limit while Alonso is silky smooth unless when he's in a fight.

I miss the real f1

 

I'm in

 

Please don't.

 

^^ I agree, for me, it all started to get a little watered down when they went from V10s to the V8s and the end of the Michiline vs. Bridgstone tyre war....sad

 

Welcome back buddy. We have missed you.

 

Welcome back!

You know what? Today's formula 1 is the proof that they did something wrong.
They wanted to simplify things when moving from the v10 to the v8 design and that's ok but then they had to add that crappy KERS to give the drivers some power back. I bet that a v8+kers costs more than v10.

Aero... No ground effects and simpler aero = you need a movable rear wing that risks to kill a driver.

Tyres: more wear + narrower tyres = you can't push the whole car, making the kers and wings useless.

Formula one should be the non plus ultra of motorsports, **** the i4 turbo proposals and crappy kers\aeros.
Give them freedom of choice, let'em develop the best possible car. The only limits should be weight, dimensions and engine displacement.
Then trim the rulebook when discussing aerodynamics and you're done.

They also change too many things from season to season and without testing teams have no reference points. Is it cheaper to run aero and track tests or try THOUSANDS of products on a simulator only to do everything from scratch when you hit the track?

It was a nice sport, now it isn't anymore... if only ferrari had caught the opportunity of creating an alternative series... Meh, italians are good with words only.

 

Hamilton 'comitted' to McLaren:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90725

Loyalty has limits, eh? He should remember he's in McLaren and F1 by the graces of Ron Dennis.

Lewis needs to STFU and worry about racing. I don't think he'll win another championship as long as he's ensnared by the Hollywood crowd. Simon Fuller as manager? Pfft....he needs his dad back on his side and in that garage. As it is, he has way too many distractions.

 

I wish I had his distractions...

Btw move back a couple of posts and sign the petition to bring al back or it will rain on your picnics... for the rest of your life

 

Whoa...wtf? That's what I get for doing things from a mobile device. I completely missed that post.

 

In.


There's no hate. This thread is pretty much the main reason I visit the board. The people on it are awesome.

 

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Give it up G...

 

I'm no webber...

Sorry Ash, had to say it!

 

Well wow, who is the knucklehead who decides which tyres should be used, clearly this decision had led to Webber missing out.......these are VERY basic instructions, surely they know what the Pirelli's will do at what track temps?..and still a problem with KERS?...why?

Car 1 SEBASTIAN VETTEL, Position: POLE POSITION (3rd Practice – P1, 1:34.968)
“We have done it again, but every single time is tough. I think today wasn’t as straightforward as we planned – especially in Q2; I made a bit of a mistake in the run I did then. In Q3 I was confident that we were able to improve quite a lot. Obviously today we did a good job, but it’s just eight metres on the track tomorrow. It will be a long race, but I think we can be happy with the car. We did some good long runs on Friday and so we have a reason to feel good, but it’s also a threat to feel too good – so I pay attention that doesn’t happen.”

Car 2 MARK WEBBER, Position: 18th (3rd Practice – P15, 1:36.896)
“It’s a very frustrating day. We didn’t have a smooth P3 or Q1 and we paid the ultimate price at end of the day. We thought we had enough to get through on the prime tyres – we have the pace, but I couldn’t get the tyre working on my second run. We’ll see what we can do tonight, but I can only go forwards. I can't remember the last time I was out in Q1; it was a long, long time ago, so it was a bad day for us.”

CHRISTIAN HORNER: “A third consecutive pole for Sebastian and, as he wasn’t required to complete his second run in Q3, he was able to conserve his tyres for tomorrow. After a Herculean effort from all the team to get Mark’s car repaired and out for Q1, it was disappointing for both Mark and the team that he missed the cut. We elected to run the hard tyre for his second run thinking it would be enough, but unfortunately they weren’t up to the temperature to do it. Obviously with 20 / 20 hindsight, you would run the option tyre, but we felt it would be enough at that time. It’s one of those things, and it’s the first time we haven’t had both cars in Q3 for over a year.”

(Renault) CYRIL DUMONT: “There is one word to describe today – ‘mixed’. An impressive display from Sebastian again – what pace, three races and three pole positions, so congratulations to him. Regarding Mark, we had a bit of a problem with KERS this morning and we weren’t able to use it in qualifying. Unfortunately he went out in Q1, but I have no doubt that he will do a strong race tomorrow and be back where he’s supposed to be.”

 

?..had to say what?

 

Had to say about Webber when you mentioned the word give-it-up His qualifying today really disappointed me. RB might as well drop him given how they are behaving.

It is possible that they didn't expect the KERS to bid farewell on Webby's car and didn't have one ready from one race to the other. They probably decided to wait 'till the european races given that Vettel barely needed it.

I truly hope that Webber didn't miss the boat and got back to being a mid-pack racer again, that would be a shame really.

What about Petrov? Did the russians steal his properties and family like ferrari probably did with Massa? They're both doing great at the moment even with the usual odds against them. Fragile Renaults and bad luck for massa...

Vettel is racing against himself at the moment even if mclaren is closing the gap. A 3rd consecutive victory tomorrow would mean a lot in terms of championship points, even this early down the road.

 

I was referring to the juvenile "petition" to get Al back...'Give it up' means... stop..

He said "please Don't' and you continued a petition....that is all..

There was no reference to Webber... by me.

 

I know that Ash, i was just pointing out that it was not a juvenile action but that i really miss Al's posts here
Thus the reference to webber giving out in quali today :p

Now i'm going back to play in my sand box building castles, 'nite.

 

See ya G...

BTW, you are not reading posts in order, so I don't get your comprehension..

forget it...good night mate!....Sunday morn here !

 

Enjoy the race comrades, mates, chaps, blokes, amigos!

It should be a good one.

Paul.

 

In hindsight you are correct. It was a bad call to not let Webber go out on the softs. However, they wanted to preserve soft tires for the race. Hamilton and Vettel also drove only on hard tires in Q1.

Red Bull knowing that they have a faster car (than McLaren) probably presumed that Webber could beat Hamilton's time on the same tire. For one reason or another (bad setup, currently bad form, malfunctioning car, who knows exactly what?) Webber could not post a good enough time.

If this gamble had paid off Webber would be in a strong position for the race with 1 set of entirely untouched soft tires for the race.