Official 2011 Formula 1 Season Discussion
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12-14-2011 | 11:44 AM
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Ricciardo, Vergne to race for Toro Rosso in 2012 Formula 1 season
wait what?
oh I feel bad for Buemi and Jamie
wait what?
oh I feel bad for Buemi and Jamie
12-25-2011 | 07:30 PM
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This is the dedication it takes to be in F1
Hamilton and Button not even allowed to have a Christmas lunch
more @ http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.a...ports/10160759
LONDON: When you sit down for Christmas lunch this year, spare a thought for Formula One legend Lewis Hamilton.
While you will be tucking into roast turkey and Christmas pud, he will be staring at a plate of brown rice and beans — and not enjoying it one bit.
In an exclusive SunSport interview, Hamilton revealed just how determined he is to make every sacrifice in his quest to rule the Formula One world again......
While you will be tucking into roast turkey and Christmas pud, he will be staring at a plate of brown rice and beans — and not enjoying it one bit.
In an exclusive SunSport interview, Hamilton revealed just how determined he is to make every sacrifice in his quest to rule the Formula One world again......
12-29-2011 | 06:49 AM
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Kubica parts ways with doctor
more @ http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=45444
Robert Kubica's absence a bigger blow to Renault in 2011 than exhaust issue, says Eric Boullier
more at: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96846
Robert Kubica has parted company with Dr Riccardo Ceccarelli, the man who has helped him through his rehabilitation process following his accident in February.
Much of the Pole's recovery process has taken place at Dr Ceccarelli's Formula Medicine facility, however, it is understood that following a disagreement as to how his rehabilitation should continue Kubica has opted to seek alternative help....
Much of the Pole's recovery process has taken place at Dr Ceccarelli's Formula Medicine facility, however, it is understood that following a disagreement as to how his rehabilitation should continue Kubica has opted to seek alternative help....
Robert Kubica's absence a bigger blow to Renault in 2011 than exhaust issue, says Eric Boullier
Renault team boss Eric Boullier believes the absence of Robert Kubica was a bigger factor in the squad's poor 2011 season than the unsuccessful forward-facing exhaust layout.
After a promising start to the year, with two podiums in the opening two grands prix, Renault's season tailed off dramatically and by the end of 2011 it was often struggling to even get into the points, leaving its technical chiefs to admit that the radical exhaust arrangement had hampered the car....
After a promising start to the year, with two podiums in the opening two grands prix, Renault's season tailed off dramatically and by the end of 2011 it was often struggling to even get into the points, leaving its technical chiefs to admit that the radical exhaust arrangement had hampered the car....
12-30-2011 | 07:40 AM
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Whiting: DRS doesn't devalue art of passing
More at: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...art-of-passing
FIA race director Charlie Whiting has downplayed suggestions that the Drag Reduction System (DRS) has devalued the art of overtaking.
The movable rear wing was introduced at the start of the 2011 season to assist passing, but many have argued that the technology has made it too easy for drivers to overtake each other on certain tracks.
The critics had a field day after the Belgian GP as DRS allowed some drivers to breeze past their opponents and comfortably take position before the Les Combes chicane.
Fernando Alonso was one of those who felt it wasn't much of a challenge to get by your rival at Spa-Francorchamps.
"Looking now, after the race, it was not too difficult to overtake and nearly impossible to defend your position because they arrived much quicker," the Ferrari driver said at the time......
The movable rear wing was introduced at the start of the 2011 season to assist passing, but many have argued that the technology has made it too easy for drivers to overtake each other on certain tracks.
The critics had a field day after the Belgian GP as DRS allowed some drivers to breeze past their opponents and comfortably take position before the Les Combes chicane.
Fernando Alonso was one of those who felt it wasn't much of a challenge to get by your rival at Spa-Francorchamps.
"Looking now, after the race, it was not too difficult to overtake and nearly impossible to defend your position because they arrived much quicker," the Ferrari driver said at the time......
12-30-2011 | 07:42 AM
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I find that comment to be stupid. The DRS gives to the following driver a tangible advantage when overtaking... so yes you have a better car overtaking a slower one.
The numbers speak better than words too.
The numbers speak better than words too.
12-30-2011 | 10:54 AM
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What they mean is DRS takes the skill out of passing because it gives the attacking car a 10-15 mph advantage on the straights. Which a better car or not, can barely defend against with the one move rule. DRS is a gimmick to increase the excitement for us the viewers. Ditto with the tires. Alonso is right because without DRS most of the cars in the middle of the field wouldn't make nearly as many passes simply because the cars are too close in performance and the drivers aren't good enough. Except for kobayashi lol. He passes fantastic.
12-30-2011 | 11:08 AM
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True and statistics don't lie.
There were more overtakes this year, it's true...
What they don't say is how many overtakes happened because of pit stops and drs...
If you take these 2 variables out then what was the real number of "action" overtakes? How many drivers did a real overtake?
What you see is drivers waiting for the straight to attack. It may be fun in an indy car race (oh wait, that's never fun) but it makes f1 predictable. If a car is .2secs behind then it will most likely be ahead on the following lap.
The top 4 drivers (Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton and Button) didn't limit themselves to drs overtakes, being the monsters that they are. Most mid pack useless drivers did though.
Again, the solution is not to give an advantage to the following car... it is, as Montezemolo said, to reduce the aerodynamics and increase engine outputs. Well, even focusing on ground effects and an increase in power would work!
Besides, F1 should be a platform for car developers... how many car makers use wings and spoilers to keep the cars planted? Ground effects could be definitely used to a bigger extent on road going cars.
Unfortunately that's what happens when a series owner is fuelled by greed and not by passion. With the major car builders leaving the FOTA we can only hope for a F0 or some other real motorsport pinnacle to emerge sooner or later.
With the teams running the biz they could very well make more money while reducing managing costs for both the circus and the track owners!
There were more overtakes this year, it's true...
What they don't say is how many overtakes happened because of pit stops and drs...
If you take these 2 variables out then what was the real number of "action" overtakes? How many drivers did a real overtake?
What you see is drivers waiting for the straight to attack. It may be fun in an indy car race (oh wait, that's never fun) but it makes f1 predictable. If a car is .2secs behind then it will most likely be ahead on the following lap.
The top 4 drivers (Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton and Button) didn't limit themselves to drs overtakes, being the monsters that they are. Most mid pack useless drivers did though.
Again, the solution is not to give an advantage to the following car... it is, as Montezemolo said, to reduce the aerodynamics and increase engine outputs. Well, even focusing on ground effects and an increase in power would work!
Besides, F1 should be a platform for car developers... how many car makers use wings and spoilers to keep the cars planted? Ground effects could be definitely used to a bigger extent on road going cars.
Unfortunately that's what happens when a series owner is fuelled by greed and not by passion. With the major car builders leaving the FOTA we can only hope for a F0 or some other real motorsport pinnacle to emerge sooner or later.
With the teams running the biz they could very well make more money while reducing managing costs for both the circus and the track owners!
12-30-2011 | 12:06 PM
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The cars are limited in technology because they'd be too fast. In the 90's they had 1400 HP active suspension and ground effects. Aerodynamics were still largely unknown because computers weren't powerful enough to run the data required. If everything was allowed in formula 1 today we'd have wings that adjusted itself for every corner through GPS with self adjusting suspension and 2000 HP engines. They'd be 20 sec a lap quicker. Atleast. But the tracks would be inadequate to host a race. Instead of 315 kph they'd do 415 and the run off areas would be too small. senna wouldn't have been the last dead F1 driver.
12-30-2011 | 12:34 PM
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That's the reason why they have to enforce some rules. Too bad that they're enforcing all the wrong ones and then make up for it.... smaller engines and then they add kers, less aero freedom and then they add drs.. Every addition is a cover-up for a stupid rule! The move from semi slicks to narrower slicks was stupid, too. You either keep the same size or moving from cut tyres to slicks is way less of an improvement!
The truth is that they could just state a maximum engine displacement limit and piston speed to determine the max power output and make the cars more or less equal. State max car width, heigth and length and leave the rest to the engineers. Open wheels are a must, that could be the only design limitation.
Ban adjustable aero altogether and bring back some ground effect.
I completely agree on the tracks, some of them are too narrow already. Most f1 followers say that the problem is the driver lineup while in reality the cars are so fast that there's no physical space nor the time to overtake!
However the new tracks are all botched designs... why? because Tilke is Bernie's friend therefore he will get the approval no matter what he does.
There are just 4-5 tracks with some heritage: Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Suzuka and Hockenheim. Curiosly enough they are the mox exciting tracks.
All the newer ones suck on the other hand.
Track design plays a big role in overtaking. A drastic turn before a straight means no overtaking with equal cars. Fast turns or esses before a straight means that the man with the most ***** will keep or gain the lead.
Same applies for the turns with longer radii, closing them with another sharp turn kills the speed\lane benefit one might gain.
That's what makes a world of difference in track design... An architect with no real field experience thinks that "overbraking" a car is exciting. Sharp turns equal hard braking -> layout done!
The reality is that you overbrake somebody only before chicanes, favoring better exit speeds in almost every other turn... what happens if you have better speed but not enough straight afterwards?
Bring Imola back, use the LeMans... Mugello. I have stressed this for a long long time.
The truth is that they could just state a maximum engine displacement limit and piston speed to determine the max power output and make the cars more or less equal. State max car width, heigth and length and leave the rest to the engineers. Open wheels are a must, that could be the only design limitation.
Ban adjustable aero altogether and bring back some ground effect.
I completely agree on the tracks, some of them are too narrow already. Most f1 followers say that the problem is the driver lineup while in reality the cars are so fast that there's no physical space nor the time to overtake!
However the new tracks are all botched designs... why? because Tilke is Bernie's friend therefore he will get the approval no matter what he does.
There are just 4-5 tracks with some heritage: Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Suzuka and Hockenheim. Curiosly enough they are the mox exciting tracks.
All the newer ones suck on the other hand.
Track design plays a big role in overtaking. A drastic turn before a straight means no overtaking with equal cars. Fast turns or esses before a straight means that the man with the most ***** will keep or gain the lead.
Same applies for the turns with longer radii, closing them with another sharp turn kills the speed\lane benefit one might gain.
That's what makes a world of difference in track design... An architect with no real field experience thinks that "overbraking" a car is exciting. Sharp turns equal hard braking -> layout done!
The reality is that you overbrake somebody only before chicanes, favoring better exit speeds in almost every other turn... what happens if you have better speed but not enough straight afterwards?
Bring Imola back, use the LeMans... Mugello. I have stressed this for a long long time.
12-30-2011 | 01:33 PM
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Agreed on all counts. Although engine size and rpm are limited already. I remember the golden days of the Ferrari v-12 revving to 24k lol. The turbo V-6 coming in '14 will ruin it even more.
I want refueling back. Drop DRS or make it so that everyone can use it all the time on the straights. Kers is ok because it adds strategy.
Kill tilke and bring back the tracks you mentioned. Plus magny course and the original hockenheim track which was a lot like silverstone.
I would also like to see 3 cars per team and virgin and hrt kicked out.
I want refueling back. Drop DRS or make it so that everyone can use it all the time on the straights. Kers is ok because it adds strategy.
Kill tilke and bring back the tracks you mentioned. Plus magny course and the original hockenheim track which was a lot like silverstone.
I would also like to see 3 cars per team and virgin and hrt kicked out.
12-30-2011 | 01:42 PM
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You truly are friggin european! 
Limiting the piston's speed is a bit different than limiting rpms, and it's a pretty interesting idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_piston_speed
In this way the bore and stroke adopted to reach a pre-set engine size limit would be the rpms limiting factor, not a random number out of the rulebook!
It would also allow the use of different engine setups (boxer, v8,10,12 etc) and more developing freedom.
I have nothing against a team finding 30 extra horses... development costs? Kick virgin, caterham and hrt as you said!
Let's not forget that f1 should be the pinnacle of motorsports... cheap ******** are free to race elsewhere.
Limiting the piston's speed is a bit different than limiting rpms, and it's a pretty interesting idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_piston_speed
In this way the bore and stroke adopted to reach a pre-set engine size limit would be the rpms limiting factor, not a random number out of the rulebook!
It would also allow the use of different engine setups (boxer, v8,10,12 etc) and more developing freedom.
I have nothing against a team finding 30 extra horses... development costs? Kick virgin, caterham and hrt as you said!
Let's not forget that f1 should be the pinnacle of motorsports... cheap ******** are free to race elsewhere.
12-30-2011 | 01:59 PM
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Lmao yes I am. Dutch to be exact.
The biggest problem I have is the one move rule. Let racers race, not drive in a parade till the DRS zone. Senna and Prost, Schumacher and hakkinen, Schumacher and hill, amazing fights. Now? I moved right so pass on left. Nothing I am allowed to do about it...
The biggest problem I have is the one move rule. Let racers race, not drive in a parade till the DRS zone. Senna and Prost, Schumacher and hakkinen, Schumacher and hill, amazing fights. Now? I moved right so pass on left. Nothing I am allowed to do about it...