Official 2012 Formula 1 Season Discussion
#929
Speed is all you FN NEED
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Yeah, I regard Sauber very highly...for their history and where they are now. They have always seemed to be the kings of the midfield. It's a shame that Williams fell off so bad and are now right there with Sauber...actually, it seems that Sauber has been a bit better than Williams in the past few years, but yeah, Sauber is a great team...hell, there have been years that they have beaten much better funded teams...i.e. Ferrari and McLaren.... I wish BMW would have stuck with them....I bet they would be right up there with Red Bull!!
#931
Speed won't air F1 after this season
The Speed cable channel will end its 17-year relationship with Formula One after this season, The Associated Press has learned.
Two people familiar with the negotiations said F1 was in talks with NBC for U.S. broadcast rights, and the contract would not be renewed with Speed. The people spoke Friday on condition of anonymity because there was no official announcement.
Two people familiar with the negotiations said F1 was in talks with NBC for U.S. broadcast rights, and the contract would not be renewed with Speed. The people spoke Friday on condition of anonymity because there was no official announcement.
#932
Well, Weber surprised the hell out of Seb that is for sure.
I think Seb will be in P1 by turn 1 and hope Weber can stay in front of Hamilton, he is not the best launcher on the grid.
If Hamilton gets by him it will make for a more difficult day for Seb.
For, now, it is Weber on Pole and it is his race to lose.
I think Seb will be in P1 by turn 1 and hope Weber can stay in front of Hamilton, he is not the best launcher on the grid.
If Hamilton gets by him it will make for a more difficult day for Seb.
For, now, it is Weber on Pole and it is his race to lose.
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Last edited by Jims5543; 10-13-2012 at 11:10 AM.
#933
How Safety Has Killed Great Racetrack Design
They couldn’t be more different, these two tracks that are bringing Formula 1 racing back to the United States. The 3.4-mile Circuit of the Americas [shown], under construction outside Austin, Texas, is carved into rolling hills previously occupied by scrubby mesquite trees and big rattlesnakes. It is set to host its inaugural Grand Prix in November. If all goes according to plan, next year’s Formula 1 schedule could add a second U.S. stop. The Port Imperial Street Circuit winds along existing commercial and residential streets in New Jersey, including the Port Imperial ferry terminal and West New York. Most of the track includes a clear view of a background that Bernie Ecclestone, the 81-year-old head of Formula 1, has been craving for decades: the Manhattan skyline.
Despite all their contrasts, one thing binds these two tracks together: Tilke Engineers & Architects, a German company helmed by Hermann Tilke, 57. Circuits designed by the 350-employee firm account for more than half of the F1 schedule, and both the Texas and New Jersey tracks bear the Tilke stamp. But you’d be mistaken in thinking that brilliant design and unparalleled popularity have driven Tilke’s omnipotence. Tom Cotter, president of the New *Jersey Grand Prix, says Tilke’s company is the go-to outfit because it “knows all the design and construction details of what it takes to host a Formula 1 race.” Those details, however, allow for very little deviation, and Tilke and company find themselves in the crosshairs of a global group of critics.
Despite all their contrasts, one thing binds these two tracks together: Tilke Engineers & Architects, a German company helmed by Hermann Tilke, 57. Circuits designed by the 350-employee firm account for more than half of the F1 schedule, and both the Texas and New Jersey tracks bear the Tilke stamp. But you’d be mistaken in thinking that brilliant design and unparalleled popularity have driven Tilke’s omnipotence. Tom Cotter, president of the New *Jersey Grand Prix, says Tilke’s company is the go-to outfit because it “knows all the design and construction details of what it takes to host a Formula 1 race.” Those details, however, allow for very little deviation, and Tilke and company find themselves in the crosshairs of a global group of critics.
#935
I already like you.
The circuit of the americas seems a bit different from the other abominations, i guess we have to wait and see.
We don't need a 20 races season anyway. Teams struggle for costs and you keep them flying all over the place?
The circuit of the americas seems a bit different from the other abominations, i guess we have to wait and see.
We don't need a 20 races season anyway. Teams struggle for costs and you keep them flying all over the place?
#936
As predicted, Seb got the launch ad ran away with it, I was relieved to see no red mist on the first lap from either of them, with them realizing it was a much longer race than 1 lap. Although, once Seb got clear of Weber, it was over.
I think it is funny, every time a different driver won a GP this year there were proclamations that they could be the next WDC. This was their year. Seb is now in a stride and killing it, winning the last 3 races, not just winning but dominating them. of the next 4 races, we know the RBR chassis likes the tracks, we know that Seb has had a history of winning on these tracks and qualifies well.
I guess if you are a Sebastian hater, the only thing you can hope for now is some more alternator problems.
I would really love for Kimi to win a WDC but it appears to be a race between Sebastian and Fernando now. It is really good to see both of their teammates running up front with them too, this means the cars are finally sorted out. It only took 15-16 races to to that.
I kind of like the Korean track, but watching the race, the stands were empty. Stark contrast as to what you are going to see at the Circuit of the Americas in a few weeks. Sold out completely.
Maurice Hamilton wrote an interesting blog entry that kind of puts the track in perspective.
Full article here.
Korea: Nice place. Pity about the race track - Maurice Hamilton's F1 blog | Korean Grand Prix | F1 features | ESPN F1
I think it is funny, every time a different driver won a GP this year there were proclamations that they could be the next WDC. This was their year. Seb is now in a stride and killing it, winning the last 3 races, not just winning but dominating them. of the next 4 races, we know the RBR chassis likes the tracks, we know that Seb has had a history of winning on these tracks and qualifies well.
I guess if you are a Sebastian hater, the only thing you can hope for now is some more alternator problems.
I would really love for Kimi to win a WDC but it appears to be a race between Sebastian and Fernando now. It is really good to see both of their teammates running up front with them too, this means the cars are finally sorted out. It only took 15-16 races to to that.
I kind of like the Korean track, but watching the race, the stands were empty. Stark contrast as to what you are going to see at the Circuit of the Americas in a few weeks. Sold out completely.
Maurice Hamilton wrote an interesting blog entry that kind of puts the track in perspective.
Full article here.
Korea: Nice place. Pity about the race track - Maurice Hamilton's F1 blog | Korean Grand Prix | F1 features | ESPN F1
The circuit is in a place called Yeongam which, judging by the location, means 'Reclaimed Land We Don't Know What To Do With'. Someone did a very good sales job to persuade those responsible to build a race track on which Mr. Ecclestone would let his F1 cars loose and charge several million dollars for the privilege.
The track itself is actually pretty good. The shame is that this is the Korean equivalent of Bahrain with a purpose-built circuit that appears to have no purpose as it disappears into the empty distance and comes back to the pit straight. There are supposed to be hotels, harbours and houses but, the last time I looked 12 months ago, someone had forgotten to build them. Either that or they had lost the key to the main gate and the lads from Wimpey Construction (South Korea) Ltd could not gain access.
This is closer to the truth than you might think. The teams' advance parties arrived to set up the garages and do the unpacking only to find, once the gates had been opened, what looked like a holiday camp that had been closed for the winter. Or abandoned, more like. Tufts of grass and weeds sprouted in the paddock, an infinitely more agreeable sight than kitchens containing left-overs from race day lunch in 2010.
The track itself looked fine but you will notice how the camera angles remain tight to avoid showing the desolation beyond the concrete walls. Korea may be without a racing heritage through no fault of its own but, judging by the wastes of Yeongam last year, it appeared disinteresting in creating one.
The track itself is actually pretty good. The shame is that this is the Korean equivalent of Bahrain with a purpose-built circuit that appears to have no purpose as it disappears into the empty distance and comes back to the pit straight. There are supposed to be hotels, harbours and houses but, the last time I looked 12 months ago, someone had forgotten to build them. Either that or they had lost the key to the main gate and the lads from Wimpey Construction (South Korea) Ltd could not gain access.
This is closer to the truth than you might think. The teams' advance parties arrived to set up the garages and do the unpacking only to find, once the gates had been opened, what looked like a holiday camp that had been closed for the winter. Or abandoned, more like. Tufts of grass and weeds sprouted in the paddock, an infinitely more agreeable sight than kitchens containing left-overs from race day lunch in 2010.
The track itself looked fine but you will notice how the camera angles remain tight to avoid showing the desolation beyond the concrete walls. Korea may be without a racing heritage through no fault of its own but, judging by the wastes of Yeongam last year, it appeared disinteresting in creating one.
Last edited by Jims5543; 10-14-2012 at 02:48 PM.
#937
I actually liked the track better this year as there was a lot of action.
Shame on Alonso for being slower than Massa.
Seb probably masked how shitty the rbr has been for most of the season as well, now that the car is back to its original standards the competition is over...
Unless Massa deliberately crashes into him a couple of times.
Shame on Alonso for being slower than Massa.
Seb probably masked how shitty the rbr has been for most of the season as well, now that the car is back to its original standards the competition is over...
Unless Massa deliberately crashes into him a couple of times.
#938
European livin n ohio
I disagree. Not ALL of them suck. Turkey was a great track. Turn 8 alone with it's triple apex made it great. I like Malaysia and China too. They had IMO two of the best races this year. Sure they lack the history and soul of the older tracks but some of the older tracks are boring to watch because they're too narrow and have too little overtaking opportunities. Take catalunya, always produces "parade" races. So does brazil. The undisputed best track IMO is spa. Eau rouge is fantastic. But so are the essess in suzuka. I quite like the Austin track from driving it in F1 2012. It has the essess in there from suzuka (kinda) and a right hand version of the triple apex Turkey turn 8. Sure, most tilke tracks aren't great, but all? No definitely not.
#940
Korean GP: Lewis Hamilton says his fight for the title is over
cont. at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941106
New Massa deal imminent - report
cont. at: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...mminent-report
McLaren's Lewis Hamilton has conceded his world championship hopes are over after finishing 10th in the Korean GP.
Hamilton dropped down the field following a rear suspension failure - his second in as many races - and is now 63 points off the lead with only 100 still available.
"In terms of winning, I think that's it for us," Hamilton said.
Hamilton dropped down the field following a rear suspension failure - his second in as many races - and is now 63 points off the lead with only 100 still available.
"In terms of winning, I think that's it for us," Hamilton said.
New Massa deal imminent - report
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali revealed on Sunday that the outfit will make an announcement about its driver plans and the future of Felipe Massa imminently.
The Brazilian's place at Ferrari has been the topic of much speculation throughout the season, but after impressive drives in Japan and Korea, it is believed that his future with the Italian team is once again secure.
The Brazilian's place at Ferrari has been the topic of much speculation throughout the season, but after impressive drives in Japan and Korea, it is believed that his future with the Italian team is once again secure.
#942
I disagree. Not ALL of them suck. Turkey was a great track. Turn 8 alone with it's triple apex made it great. I like Malaysia and China too. They had IMO two of the best races this year. Sure they lack the history and soul of the older tracks but some of the older tracks are boring to watch because they're too narrow and have too little overtaking opportunities. Take catalunya, always produces "parade" races. So does brazil. The undisputed best track IMO is spa. Eau rouge is fantastic. But so are the essess in suzuka. I quite like the Austin track from driving it in F1 2012. It has the essess in there from suzuka (kinda) and a right hand version of the triple apex Turkey turn 8. Sure, most tilke tracks aren't great, but all? No definitely not.
Years before these new tracks went up I used to detest the upcoming race at a place like Hungaroring; but as lacking as that track is in features that I favor it's still a better place than these new ones. Just my opinion, though.
#946
I don't think that one or two decent corners necessarily brands a track not-sucking. Places like Spa utilize the natural landscape with nice, natural elevation changes & once-country-roads that makes for a great flowing track despite a few chicanes thrown in. The new gen tracks don't have anything like Eau Rouge; they have no Blanchimont, 130R, or the previous Tamburello. Even if Austin does end up having a complex reminiscent of Maggs/Becks it'll no doubt be outnumbered by a bunch of hairpins & 60ish MPH corners . . . . at a ratio of 8:1, most likely. There's just something really contrived about putting very identical looking (and feeling) tracks in the middle of a flat desert, while no doubt already having future plans to axe the once-great venues.
Years before these new tracks went up I used to detest the upcoming race at a place like Hungaroring; but as lacking as that track is in features that I favor it's still a better place than these new ones. Just my opinion, though.
Years before these new tracks went up I used to detest the upcoming race at a place like Hungaroring; but as lacking as that track is in features that I favor it's still a better place than these new ones. Just my opinion, though.
Austin seems a bit different since it uses the natural landscape a bit more. It's closer to spa than it is to the average Tilke track, that's a good thing.
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#947
Ferrari rule out signing Vettel
cont. at: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...signing-Vettel
Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo has denied signing Sebastian Vettel, saying that would only create "instability" within the team.
#948
NBC Sports Group gets US rights to Formula One
Read more here: NBC Sports Group gets US rights to Formula One | Auto Racing | Rock Hill Herald Online
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At the moment, we recieve P2, Qual and the Race. With NBC, we will get P1, P2, P3, Qual, pre-race P (P4?) and the Race.
I don't normally pay attention to the practice sessions. I don't think there is much to be information to be gained from them.
"I feel that they will promote Formula One to a level not seen before in the United States."
NBC will air four races - the Canadian Grand Prix in June, and the final three races of the season in November - while the remaining 16 races will air on NBC Sports Network. All practice and qualifying sessions will also be on the cable station.
NBC will air four races - the Canadian Grand Prix in June, and the final three races of the season in November - while the remaining 16 races will air on NBC Sports Network. All practice and qualifying sessions will also be on the cable station.
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At the moment, we recieve P2, Qual and the Race. With NBC, we will get P1, P2, P3, Qual, pre-race P (P4?) and the Race.
I don't normally pay attention to the practice sessions. I don't think there is much to be information to be gained from them.