Official 2012 Formula 1 Season Discussion
11-28-2012, 08:29 AM
#1226
European livin n ohio
They are the sole holders of any jurisdiction on the matter.
The least they could do is tell why they didn't handle the penalty. The most they could do is handle a 20' post race penalty.
The problem is that, by either just negating or admitting that Vettel overtook under yellows without handing him a penalty would lose the FIA a lot of credibility.
The least they could do is tell why they didn't handle the penalty. The most they could do is handle a 20' post race penalty.
The problem is that, by either just negating or admitting that Vettel overtook under yellows without handing him a penalty would lose the FIA a lot of credibility.
11-28-2012, 08:35 AM
#1227
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11-28-2012, 11:56 AM
#1228
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They don't have much to begin with imo. They try to manipulate to much going as far back as Prost/Senna with his disqualification at suzuka therefore giving the title to Prost. The alleged Ferrari/Schumacher years. Even this year when they disqualified sauber after Melbourne but not red bull in Canada. The FIA do as they please. If they follow their own set rules vettel will get the penalty, if they like vettel/red bull more than alonso/Ferrari they won't.
11-28-2012, 03:49 PM
#1229
Super Moderator
It's confirmed that Vettel overtook the Indian under actual yellow flags.
Ferrari has time 'till this Friday to make an inquiry to the FIA on why they didn't handle him a penalty.
I think that it's possible that they just overlooked it, since the pack was crashing, spinning and fighting... a backrunner might not get the deserved attention.
Now the question is.. will Ferrari act? A 20 seconds post race penalty would result in Alonso winning the championship...
Ferrari has time 'till this Friday to make an inquiry to the FIA on why they didn't handle him a penalty.
I think that it's possible that they just overlooked it, since the pack was crashing, spinning and fighting... a backrunner might not get the deserved attention.
Now the question is.. will Ferrari act? A 20 seconds post race penalty would result in Alonso winning the championship...
...I am the first to admit I don't follow F1 as a religion (
) like some do, but if Vettel did pass under a yellow then he must be penalised.?WHY wont that happen and what is wrong with Ferrari, a few seasons ago they would not hesitate...I was waiting for 'the' 'a' protest straight after the race..
If the evidence is there act!????
11-28-2012, 04:44 PM
#1230
Formula 1: Ferrari consider Sebastian Vettel protest
more at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638
Ferrari want to establish whether there is enough evidence to lodge a protest that, if successful, could overturn the result of the world championship.
Ferrari are "evaluating footage" that appears to show Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel making an illegal overtaking move in Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.
Ferrari are "evaluating footage" that appears to show Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel making an illegal overtaking move in Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.
11-28-2012, 04:55 PM
#1231
Horner praises Schumacher 'gesture'
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...acher-gesture-
Red Bull team principal Christian Horner believes Michael Schumacher "passed the baton" on to Sebastian Vettel when he allowed the Champion to pass him at Interlagos.
Although seventh place would have been good enough to help Vettel to secure his third consecutive title, Schumacher didn't put up a fight and moved over to allow his German compatriot to move up to sixth during the closing stages of the Brazilian GP.
Horner says Red Bull are grateful for the retiring seven-time World Champion's "gracious" gesture on Sunday.
"Michael very graciously gave him P6 and that was enough to convert his third consecutive World Championship," said Horner.
"Michael is renowned for being a tough racer. I think it was his gesture to Sebastian, almost like passing the baton on.
"I'm sure it was not particularly well received at his former employer [Ferrari] but I thought it was very magnanimous of Michael to move out of the way for his fellow countryman."
Although seventh place would have been good enough to help Vettel to secure his third consecutive title, Schumacher didn't put up a fight and moved over to allow his German compatriot to move up to sixth during the closing stages of the Brazilian GP.
Horner says Red Bull are grateful for the retiring seven-time World Champion's "gracious" gesture on Sunday.
"Michael very graciously gave him P6 and that was enough to convert his third consecutive World Championship," said Horner.
"Michael is renowned for being a tough racer. I think it was his gesture to Sebastian, almost like passing the baton on.
"I'm sure it was not particularly well received at his former employer [Ferrari] but I thought it was very magnanimous of Michael to move out of the way for his fellow countryman."
11-28-2012, 05:23 PM
#1232
What do you think G?
...I am the first to admit I don't follow F1 as a religion ( ) like some do, but if Vettel did pass under a yellow then he must be penalised.?
WHY wont that happen and what is wrong with Ferrari, a few seasons ago they would not hesitate...I was waiting for 'the' 'a' protest straight after the race..
If the evidence is there act!????
...I am the first to admit I don't follow F1 as a religion (
) like some do, but if Vettel did pass under a yellow then he must be penalised.?WHY wont that happen and what is wrong with Ferrari, a few seasons ago they would not hesitate...I was waiting for 'the' 'a' protest straight after the race..
If the evidence is there act!????
If he doesn't get what he wants and is too depressed to party with her... i can pm him my number
11-28-2012, 05:28 PM
#1233
Super Moderator
This guy has the 'evidence' on his YT Vid, as he says out of the 3 so called passing under yellow flag observations, only the one at around lap 3 or 4 occurred by Vettel which was illegal passing RB Toro Rosso...Not Indian.
This vision did not go out to the world broadcast, only on separate on board camera Sky Race Control feed.
Look at 11.00 and repeated @ 12.00 (approx) Vettel clearly passes while under flashing yellow and while his dash flag warning indicators were still on.
This vision did not go out to the world broadcast, only on separate on board camera Sky Race Control feed.
Look at 11.00 and repeated @ 12.00 (approx) Vettel clearly passes while under flashing yellow and while his dash flag warning indicators were still on.
11-28-2012, 05:32 PM
#1235
I'm keeping my fingers, arms, legs, *****, eyes crossed.
It would be a nice hit by Ferrari... like a redemption. "We can also win by following the rules". Man vs machine, whatever.
It would be a nice hit by Ferrari... like a redemption. "We can also win by following the rules". Man vs machine, whatever.
11-28-2012, 05:44 PM
#1236
Super Moderator
I find it interesting that technology can warn a driver instantly when he is in a flashing (waving) yellow flag zone on his dash, but can't report back via transponders when 'a' vehicle passes another while in this activated zone, surely some type of tech exists that could police this in real time for race control so action can be taken immediately like most other race infringements.
It was only after 3 or 4 laps.
It was only after 3 or 4 laps.
11-28-2012, 05:53 PM
#1237
Super Moderator
, so effectively it could be a Red Bull car passing another Red Bull car illegally at beginning of race which could sink their 2012 title...as I see it I think Ferrari would have a very strong case...we will see.
11-28-2012, 05:55 PM
#1238
What are you referring to? I must have missed something.
The point is that redbull effectively has 4 cars on the grid... that's a problem when you have 20% of the starting grid on your side ready to help you.
The point is that redbull effectively has 4 cars on the grid... that's a problem when you have 20% of the starting grid on your side ready to help you.
11-28-2012, 06:01 PM
#1239
Super Moderator
did you watch the Video?
11-28-2012, 06:12 PM
#1241
This yellow flag passing incident is very interesting,I wonder if anything will change because of the video evidence or will it just get swept under the rug.
And Shumi giving Vettal the position, although gracious for his final race I don't think it would happen if the tables where turned
And Shumi giving Vettal the position, although gracious for his final race I don't think it would happen if the tables where turned
11-28-2012, 06:18 PM
#1242
I was a Marshall (Corner Worker it's called here) for over 15 yrs. I've even been in charge of the corner crews at pro and amateur races. I've called in passes under the yellow, been requested to write them up and then had them dismissed by the Stewards Of the Meet. I don't remember a driver being penalized for the infraction. Now, these have been amateur drivers and there wasn't any video evidence to back it up.
I wouldn't hold your breath until Alonso is made champion.
I wouldn't hold your breath until Alonso is made champion.
11-29-2012, 05:40 AM
#1244
Ferrari did it!
http://www.ferrari.com/italian/formu...iarimento.aspx
If you don't speak italian... you may as well learn it and impress women with stupid poetry and cute phrases.
http://www.ferrari.com/italian/formu...iarimento.aspx
If you don't speak italian... you may as well learn it and impress women with stupid poetry and cute phrases.
11-29-2012, 07:16 AM
#1248
Yellow lights < Waving Green Flag:
planetf1.com • View topic - Ferrari Brazil Appeal Uberthread
FIA reviews, sees green flag, calls pass good:
FIA believe Vettel pass was legal | Planet F1 | Formula One News
planetf1.com • View topic - Ferrari Brazil Appeal Uberthread
FIA reviews, sees green flag, calls pass good:
FIA believe Vettel pass was legal | Planet F1 | Formula One News
11-29-2012, 08:04 AM
#1249
European livin n ohio
Well it's good it got cleared up at least. On to 2013! The regulations stay mostly the same next year so I'm worried it might be another season like 2011 if Ferrari don't find atleast 7 tenths in that car. Mclaren without Hamilton won't be much of a threat. Button isn't good enough and Perez is 50/50. He'll either be great or a non factor. I have a feeling Mercedes might have something radical in the pipeline that could make them a frontrunner because Hamilton cares too much about winning to just go there.