Official 2013 Formula 1 Season Discussion
08-16-2013, 12:56 PM
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Fuel consumption goes down, limited from 150l to 100.
Fuel flow is limited, aero is further limited... they're going to be slower than LMP1 prototypes.
Fuel flow is limited, aero is further limited... they're going to be slower than LMP1 prototypes.
08-17-2013, 02:36 AM
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Next year what will ruin the cars is the fact they sound abysmal. 1.6ltr turbo hair dryers. Have you listened to the Renault and Mercedes? Sound vile.
Reducing the dependancy on aero is great. All we need to do is get rid of DRS and KERS, get tyres akin to the Michelin tyres back in 2006 and voilla.
Who cares if they are slower or faster than LMP1? Lets be honest; F1 lost its road relevance many moons ago to cut costs. The fact that Lotus is in 120million EUR debt, Force india havn't paid Hulkenberg still for last year, hell Sauber havn't paid for Hulkenberg THIS year let alone sold up to russians and they are putting their own driver in the team from next year.
Marussia and Caterham are on a knife edge; whoever finishes 11th gets zero money and will fold; Bernie made sure that they didn't merge together over the winter.
Williams are being paid £27million a year for Maldanado's seat ontop of PVSA sponsoring them. Mateschitz has been itching to get rid of STR for a few years now aswell. Unless your Ferrari, Redbull or Mclaren; the other teams have problems. Mercedes do because just like BMW; they have their stupid 'plan' and if they dont win next year they will slowly withdraw from team ownership.
Reducing the dependancy on aero is great. All we need to do is get rid of DRS and KERS, get tyres akin to the Michelin tyres back in 2006 and voilla.
Who cares if they are slower or faster than LMP1? Lets be honest; F1 lost its road relevance many moons ago to cut costs. The fact that Lotus is in 120million EUR debt, Force india havn't paid Hulkenberg still for last year, hell Sauber havn't paid for Hulkenberg THIS year let alone sold up to russians and they are putting their own driver in the team from next year.
Marussia and Caterham are on a knife edge; whoever finishes 11th gets zero money and will fold; Bernie made sure that they didn't merge together over the winter.
Williams are being paid £27million a year for Maldanado's seat ontop of PVSA sponsoring them. Mateschitz has been itching to get rid of STR for a few years now aswell. Unless your Ferrari, Redbull or Mclaren; the other teams have problems. Mercedes do because just like BMW; they have their stupid 'plan' and if they dont win next year they will slowly withdraw from team ownership.
08-17-2013, 03:51 AM
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Not anymore though is it. Homologated engines since 2006, standard spec Mclaren ECU in every car, gearboxes and engines have to last X amount of races, only 4 gearboxes and 8 engines allowed to be used per year. no T-car, no in season testing. CFD is dominant. DRS is required to even initiate 70% of overtakes. Tyres which last very few laps.
How is that the highest form of Motorsport? Now we're at 1.6ltr turbo engines which arent going on track until 3 months before the season starts. F1 is a Joke now. Innovation is gone. just look whats been banned over the past few seasons; Double diffusers, exhaust blown diffusers, F-duct, holes in the floor, high flow brake ducts, flexible wings, flexible floors, FRIC suspension is being challenged as we speak.
Then tell me where the relevance is to the road? KERS? Yeah, Williams have a flywheel KERS which is much much better than the battery version used currently only in German vehicles, and its not on the road. Cheese tyres? Nope. Michelin refuse to come back to F1 unless they get 16-18inch rim size. Not 13inch which is the current.
Theres no relevance, no innovation. It used to be the pinnacle of motor sport but now its a joke. You get a god damn penalty for overtaking felipe Massa in a *****-deep fantastic move while others can go further off track to keep ahead and not get penalised.
Im no fan of Le Mans, but the LMP1 with supreme aero and fantastic diesel engines, long lasting performance tyres; THATS road relevant and to me, even though I dont watch it; its the pinnacle.
F1 is not a sport, its a political mine field being fought by two dictators trying to divide and conquer as been done for years. Its an entertainment programme which someone an be crowned world champion with 4 illegal concepts on the car. A sport where you can do 1000km testing and then win 3 out of 5 races after struggling like hell and receive ZERO penalty.
Highest form of motorsport? Back in 2006 and 2007 maybe. Now its just a joke mate. May aswell just be a spec series. At least the better drivers will win as opposed to an average driver who can have 31 mechanical problems in 3 years and STILL take the championships convincingly.
08-17-2013, 03:56 AM
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Chill mate, we perfectly agree.
I won't watch f1 next year because it will be a joke of the joke it is now.
I really hoped for a F-0 or something when Ferrari, McLaren etc threatened to leave... yet money once again dictated their decisions.
It sucks, i mean... they all complain about spending too much but yet agree to COMPLETELY change power plants, aero and a bunch of other stuff? that's not cost saving... Bringing the displacement up to 3L\v10 engines would drag the costs down, especially if engines have to last so many races.
How can a v6 1.6l turbo engine last MORE than a NA 2.4l v8? Bullshit.
I won't watch f1 next year because it will be a joke of the joke it is now.
I really hoped for a F-0 or something when Ferrari, McLaren etc threatened to leave... yet money once again dictated their decisions.
It sucks, i mean... they all complain about spending too much but yet agree to COMPLETELY change power plants, aero and a bunch of other stuff? that's not cost saving... Bringing the displacement up to 3L\v10 engines would drag the costs down, especially if engines have to last so many races.
How can a v6 1.6l turbo engine last MORE than a NA 2.4l v8? Bullshit.
08-17-2013, 05:07 AM
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Chill mate, we perfectly agree.
I won't watch f1 next year because it will be a joke of the joke it is now.
I really hoped for a F-0 or something when Ferrari, McLaren etc threatened to leave... yet money once again dictated their decisions.
It sucks, i mean... they all complain about spending too much but yet agree to COMPLETELY change power plants, aero and a bunch of other stuff? that's not cost saving... Bringing the displacement up to 3L\v10 engines would drag the costs down, especially if engines have to last so many races.
How can a v6 1.6l turbo engine last MORE than a NA 2.4l v8? Bullshit.
I won't watch f1 next year because it will be a joke of the joke it is now.
I really hoped for a F-0 or something when Ferrari, McLaren etc threatened to leave... yet money once again dictated their decisions.
It sucks, i mean... they all complain about spending too much but yet agree to COMPLETELY change power plants, aero and a bunch of other stuff? that's not cost saving... Bringing the displacement up to 3L\v10 engines would drag the costs down, especially if engines have to last so many races.
How can a v6 1.6l turbo engine last MORE than a NA 2.4l v8? Bullshit.
Nothing to chill over
Funniest thing about cost cutting; Engines cost £4million per year per customer team. Next year Ferrari's will cost £14million per team per year, Mercedes £16million and Renault £18million.
Yay for cost cutting, eh.
08-17-2013, 05:23 AM
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How about the testing limitations?
They just spend more money having to design and test different parts on scale models and simulators... CAD designing 4 wings and bringing them to the test might end up being cheaper than doing hours of scale model testing only to find out **** doesn't work in the real world.
The regulations could be very simple: size and weight limit, displacement limit, average piston speed limit and everything else could be left free. If a team is 10 seconds faster that's the competitor's business to figure out why. If they don't have the budget to, then **** them off... there's gp2!
Aero... Aero is tricky. All the regulations suck. Limit Aero to width and height. Teams would soon focus on undercar aero and ground effects to avoid being "disturbed" by the cars in front. Cheaper than DRS and KERS and less fictitious. With good undercar aero the cars would also be way faster and you could see some corner overtaking as well.
Tilke is another subject... his first tracks were ugly and soul-less. I like what he did in Austin though.
They just spend more money having to design and test different parts on scale models and simulators... CAD designing 4 wings and bringing them to the test might end up being cheaper than doing hours of scale model testing only to find out **** doesn't work in the real world.
The regulations could be very simple: size and weight limit, displacement limit, average piston speed limit and everything else could be left free. If a team is 10 seconds faster that's the competitor's business to figure out why. If they don't have the budget to, then **** them off... there's gp2!
Aero... Aero is tricky. All the regulations suck. Limit Aero to width and height. Teams would soon focus on undercar aero and ground effects to avoid being "disturbed" by the cars in front. Cheaper than DRS and KERS and less fictitious. With good undercar aero the cars would also be way faster and you could see some corner overtaking as well.
Tilke is another subject... his first tracks were ugly and soul-less. I like what he did in Austin though.
08-17-2013, 07:17 AM
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How about the testing limitations?
They just spend more money having to design and test different parts on scale models and simulators... CAD designing 4 wings and bringing them to the test might end up being cheaper than doing hours of scale model testing only to find out **** doesn't work in the real world.
The regulations could be very simple: size and weight limit, displacement limit, average piston speed limit and everything else could be left free. If a team is 10 seconds faster that's the competitor's business to figure out why. If they don't have the budget to, then **** them off... there's gp2!
Aero... Aero is tricky. All the regulations suck. Limit Aero to width and height. Teams would soon focus on undercar aero and ground effects to avoid being "disturbed" by the cars in front. Cheaper than DRS and KERS and less fictitious. With good undercar aero the cars would also be way faster and you could see some corner overtaking as well.
Tilke is another subject... his first tracks were ugly and soul-less. I like what he did in Austin though.
They just spend more money having to design and test different parts on scale models and simulators... CAD designing 4 wings and bringing them to the test might end up being cheaper than doing hours of scale model testing only to find out **** doesn't work in the real world.
The regulations could be very simple: size and weight limit, displacement limit, average piston speed limit and everything else could be left free. If a team is 10 seconds faster that's the competitor's business to figure out why. If they don't have the budget to, then **** them off... there's gp2!
Aero... Aero is tricky. All the regulations suck. Limit Aero to width and height. Teams would soon focus on undercar aero and ground effects to avoid being "disturbed" by the cars in front. Cheaper than DRS and KERS and less fictitious. With good undercar aero the cars would also be way faster and you could see some corner overtaking as well.
Tilke is another subject... his first tracks were ugly and soul-less. I like what he did in Austin though.
Track design suffers alot more because of aero. DRS does help abu dhabi for example, but places like Canada and Belgium DONT needs DRS!
08-17-2013, 07:27 AM
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Tracks like monza should also lose a couple of chicanes...
They don't need to build crappy tracks, they just have to make them slightly wider and longer to accomodate for the faster cars. Some tracks are just too small or short.
Spa is WIDE. i've driven there several times and is really friggin' wide compared to Vallelunga for instance.
Oh, why do we have to race in new jersey when Imola is off of the calendar?
They don't need to build crappy tracks, they just have to make them slightly wider and longer to accomodate for the faster cars. Some tracks are just too small or short.
Spa is WIDE. i've driven there several times and is really friggin' wide compared to Vallelunga for instance.
Oh, why do we have to race in new jersey when Imola is off of the calendar?
08-17-2013, 08:05 AM
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Tracks like monza should also lose a couple of chicanes...
They don't need to build crappy tracks, they just have to make them slightly wider and longer to accomodate for the faster cars. Some tracks are just too small or short.
Spa is WIDE. i've driven there several times and is really friggin' wide compared to Vallelunga for instance.
Oh, why do we have to race in new jersey when Imola is off of the calendar?
They don't need to build crappy tracks, they just have to make them slightly wider and longer to accomodate for the faster cars. Some tracks are just too small or short.
Spa is WIDE. i've driven there several times and is really friggin' wide compared to Vallelunga for instance.
Oh, why do we have to race in new jersey when Imola is off of the calendar?
Funny thing is nigh on all the tracks give great racing in GP2 and GP3; because its spec series lmao!
I love singapore too, a real test and a ***** for bravery in overtaking.
08-17-2013, 09:35 AM
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That MADE the track. I will ALWAYS remember this;
And the sweet fact that Alonso had 2 broken valves in the engine during the race ;D
08-17-2013, 01:38 PM
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Silverstone sold by BRDC - report
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/120661.html
Silverstone is under new ownership after being sold by the British Racing Drivers Club (BRDC), according to a report.
The BRDC has previously made it clear that it was searching for new investment in order to progress with plans to redevelop the facility at Silverstone, with the first phase of a new £27m pit and paddock complex already having been completed. Now, a report in The Independent claims an unknown buyer - believed to be a real estate firm - has taken control of the circuit, opening up the opportunity for a business park to be built on the land. .......
The BRDC has previously made it clear that it was searching for new investment in order to progress with plans to redevelop the facility at Silverstone, with the first phase of a new £27m pit and paddock complex already having been completed. Now, a report in The Independent claims an unknown buyer - believed to be a real estate firm - has taken control of the circuit, opening up the opportunity for a business park to be built on the land. .......
08-18-2013, 01:28 PM
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Ricciardo to Red Bull, Kimi to Ferrari?
Reports that Red Bull will announce Ricciardo at Spa > F1 News > Grandprix.com
http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-231331.html
Red Bull will not relent - Boullier
http://en.espnf1.com/lotusf1/motorsp...ry/120713.html
I think with all the changes for next year, it may be wise to stop development on the current car and to focus your efforts on next year's.
Reports that Red Bull will announce Ricciardo at Spa > F1 News > Grandprix.com
http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-231331.html
Red Bull will not relent - Boullier
http://en.espnf1.com/lotusf1/motorsp...ry/120713.html
I think with all the changes for next year, it may be wise to stop development on the current car and to focus your efforts on next year's.
08-25-2013, 07:40 AM
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Alonso could win this race. The Ferrari is fast and he is driving quite well. He should at least podium. Vettel is still pulling an insane gap though; more than 7 seconds 
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