Steiner

Ike, I own one of those 11 second Evos running on the stock (ish) turbo. It's an OEM 16G IX turbo tuned for 100 octane. Needless to say, it flies and will pull most Corvettes in a straightaway and around most tracks. My friend's running a similair 100 octane setup on his '05 VIII, minus the aftermarket cams and IX turbo, and he's got track day videos of his ride outdancing, outpulling and outclassing Corvettes all over the place. But the new Zo6 Corvette is in a league of its own - not just against coilovered and big boosted Evos, but against Vipers, M5's, M3's and most everything else people would take to the track nowadys. This one video he has is unbelievable. He's coming out of a corner at Laguna Seca and his 300whp Evo, running KW3 coilovers and R-compounds loses the inside line to bone stock Z06. From there the Z06 takes off in the straightaway with the kind of gusto you'd expect from a 950cc street bike. It was amazing. For the $65k price tag it's even more mind boggling. Now I hate using the Euro trash car shows to support a claim, but these two videos are excellent for anybody who hasn't seen them yet...

http://www.z06zone.com/media-videos/...ear-C6-Z06.avi

http://www.z06zone.com/media-videos/Top-Gear-C6Z06.avi

Ike

No doubt the Z06 is in another league and an Evo would need an upgraded turbo and some suspension work to stand a chance with equal drivers.

Ike

The Audi TT was the new one and IIRC it was the 2.0T with the special suspension. There's no reason to believe it's not quicker than an RX-8 around a track...

Romancer

Good, then get a C5 Z06 for cheaper.

Good day sir, you lose.

snizzle

Blah blah, compare stock cars to modded, blah blah.

playdoh43

ive driven both the C5 and C6 quite a few times, I think people tend to underestimate how well they handle. IMHO, they handle very well.

I think for amature drivers the corvette handles better than a lot of cars including the 350Z because it is very easy to drive fast and it has so much grip. For serious drivers who has the skills to take a car to its limit, the corvette is not so great because its unstable when the tail end breaks loose while the 350Z breaks loose in a linear fashion.

As far as for 90% of the car enthusiasts who dosnt have the ability to drive a car at its limit, id say the corvette would be one of the best handling cars under 50k. Lets face it, most of us will never even come close to taking our car to the limit let alone driving it at its limit consistently

Ike

I don't even know what you're talking about...

RotaryP7

Damn, I had to bring this thread back to life..

VikingDJ

Right on. Let the Vette be modded equally, then do a comparison. My former 1987 Mitsubishi Starion could walk a stock EVO from a roll all day long. It was pretty well modified, and that car was DEADLY on straightaways, and a stock EVO wouldn't have stood a chance against that car. Although this is true, do you see how ridiculous it sounds to say this? Come on now, No more comparing modded to stock. TY.

saturn

WTF! Why are we talking about Corvette's? I know we're all bored sitting around waiting for the Evo X to come out, but seriously. They're not even close to being in the same price range or even the same kind of car.

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Ike

I agree that the modded argument vs. stock can be and usually is lame. I was just trying to point out that a basic C6 Vette is not going to "smoke" an Evo around a track.

9291150

^ the Evo got smoked by the C6 in that Car & Driver lightening lap, no? Think it was 5 seconds or so.

playdoh43

i love the evo and all, but on the track the vette is in a different league, stock vs stock at least, i dont think its that close at all. the C5 Z06 back in the days was already a faster track car than the evo, the base c6 is a usually tad faster than the C5 Z06. the evo is very respectable as a 30k car vs a 45k car.

modded evo vs vette is a whole different story.

and just a tid bit of unrelated side info, during last years umd spring meet, when the z06 first came out, an old dude brought a brand new bone stock z06 with only 400 some miles on it and pulled 474.3whp on the dynojet.

Ike

Keep in mind that in other comparos the Evo has turned better lap times than the Carrera S, Cayman S, and the RS4. Yes, the Evo got beat by the Vette in the C&D lightning lap. But that Evo also got beat by the Z which I've never seen happen before and got beat by the Cayman (which was about equal with the Vette) which the Evo was about even with in another track comparo. Also, like I said earlier, the Evo was faseter in Top Gear as well.


Here's an STI special model that's actually slower than a lot of stock Evos around Tsukuba beating the new Z06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6blkJGyd9U

That is a freakish thing to happen...

Here's a video of stock Evo chasing a C5 Z06 Vette (might be stock or might not)
I could show you lots of these videos but I'm the first to admit that they don't mean a whole lot. Driver skill in any given HPDE group varies wildly. I will say that the Evo takes the wrong line more than a few times and the Vette looked a little shaky once or twice as well.

http://www.mydeo.com/videorequest.as...5079&CID=87107

Here's one just for kicks of the recent lap record on Tsukuba, the last minute is the best part

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS93gfz2TDE

In short, I don't know if the Vette is faster or the Evo is faster stock for stock. It's probably going to come down to the track but one isn't going to "smoke" the other on most tracks on most days. Don't forget, this is just silly bench racing so just have fun with it...

VikingDJ

Silly bench racing is amusing though. I tell ya, with equal drivers, that track better not have long straightaways on it stock vs stock or it's not gonna be close. I've had some experience with even the 350hp C5 stock vs stock with my STI from a roll. It wasn't pretty. I got SMOKED. A winding track where driver skill means everything, and HP doesn't is where you want to be. In a perfect world, the EVO is just out of it's league overall in performance stock vs stock. This is why people start comparing modded cars to stock. It's the only way to compete, so one must cheat.

snizzle

Thank you. I'm glad someone agrees with me. People always pull out this card to defend their cars. Hell, we defend our beloved RX8 here when people start bashing it so it's human nature.

Even so, it is a ridiculous comparison. I can see discussing modded vs stock to prove value but other than that it's worthless and irrelevant. Different target audience, different price range, different cars.

Both the Vette and the Evo are fantastic values for the money but neither are perfect.

What does any of this have to do with the Evo X anyway?

Aipex8

iTrader: (1)

^^Nothing. Here, I'll try and get us back on topic:

Saw a new Lancer yesterday in blue. Very eye-catching car, even in non-Evo form, unlike previous Lancers. I can't wait to see the Evo, it's gonna be hot!

VikingDJ

You got that right. The new Lancer looks 1000 times nicer IMO then the past generation. The new EVO is simply gonna be HOT. I never looked at the Lancer and said " this car is gorgeous, but in that one commercial, it caught my eye, and I thought, holy crap, that car looks really nice. Nice job Mitsubishi. It's about time. They have such an amazing piece of engineering in the EVO, now it's time to make it look as nice as it drives. WOO HOO.

Design1stCode2nd

The regular lancer seems to be a good value too as you can get a loaded GTS with nav for like 22k I think.

Ike

I must say, other than the Evo I never would have considered a Mitsubishi product in the past. I don't look at the regular Lancer with the disdain that I used to and some of the other new models aren't bad. Mitsubishi is doing a pretty good job turning things around and they certainly seem to have a winner on their hands with the new Lancer.

rotary crazy

lets hope so for mitsu sake, I used to own a evo VII and a 2001 montero and they dint leave a good taste in my mouth, they where allways braking down, but the montero was the worse to the point of needing an engine replacement after less than one year of use and I sold it with bad piston rings

Razz1

EEEEEE VOOOOOOOOOO Evo Evo

I think I'm going over to the EVO forum and start a RX8 thread and be like IKE!

doh..........

Zio

It actually looks pretty good TBH.

Design1stCode2nd

Deets on the Evo X:
El Linko

saturn

Check it out. The right side tires are different than the left side ones. Probably like that for bettar drifting!1!!!