tonamal

finally decided after 10 months of waiting to say forget the rx8 and in with the STI.

after reading all the negative responses from members makes me sick.why would i spend 34,000 for a car that gets terrible gas mileage,engine problems ;which includes the apex seals , engine heat and the lack of power from low horsepower and torque. if i'm gonna spend that much money bearing that i'm only 20 i think i should at least get a banfg for my buck. so i'm gonna say so long rotary hello boxer.

h0rde

yawn

allstate

Please tell me you didn't bring that up.....:o

RX-GR8

your sti will have some problems too no doubt. no car is perfect.

Speed Racer

Shouldn't this be posted on a Subaru forum because you have already made up your mind? Posts like this just seem to fan the flames around here.

Don't get me wrong, the STI is an awesome all-out performance car and if I was looking for the most bang for the buck the STI & EVO would be on my short list but IMHO posting this on a Subaru forum will get you more of the feedback that you are looking for.

As for the RX-8 it has more soul/personality than most cars on the road and that just doesn't show up on a spec sheet. If you don't feel that connection with the car I think that you would be disappointed with the RX-8 if you happen to buy one.

StealthTL

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Don't know what you're smokin, but I have not read even ONE post saying that apex seals have gone.

Zero.

Doesn't happen.

But don't let the facts confuse you, your mind is made up......

Bye....

S

Jag

If the interior didn't look like it came from Subaru's old parts bin I might have considered it....

Geek

STI HUH???? Best bang for the buck HMMMM???? How about an SRT4....Now that's bang for the buck..a 13 second car for 20 thousand not 30 thousand....It's apparent you don't give a hoot about looks....or interior or comfort ..or feel....If all you want is fast get the SRT and dump 10 more thousand in it...I doubt any thing will catch it.....except alot more money...Peace and good luck with your purchase...

tonamal

as per the apex seals: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ght=apex+seals

jax8

Tonamal, being 20 will certainly forgive you.

At twice your age plus plenty, I am having trouble waiting the 7 days that remain until I drive my sti into Sydney next Friday and emerge soon after in my new titanium 8.

The sti has provided enormous fun, especially as I live in the country and have an un-policed road nearby where I fequently exceed 230 kph, moreover it is my third wrx. However, the extended test drive I have had in the rx8 illustrated just how much more user-friendly its lesser power is (no need to dump the clutch at 5000+ just to keep up with other traffic at the lights),
and its cornering is vastly superior - vastly!

Beauty, tactility, solidity, that warm fuzzy feeling...Subaru place no value in these things. Nor, then again, do many 20 year-olds.

tonamal

hey geek if i want a pos srt 4 sounds good

tonamal

i understand what ur saying i have driven the 8 twice now and thought i fell in love with the car but if there were multiple problems i wouldve got it but right now im leaning th other way

Kaliken

wahhh... move along... move along...

sean

there's definately no argument here which car out performs which, the sti will surely blow away the 8, 300hp/awd/turbo....but look at what the Rx8 has that the sti doesn't? I think that outweighs what the sti has that the 8 doesnt. But that is just mine and many more of the member's here opinions.

Geek

I don't understand why you diss the SRT4...what are you looking for in a car...You made it sound like you wanted a fast straight line car....I was simply implying that as far as styling, comfort and speed.. that the SRT4 and the STI have alot in common...but the SRT4 is 10 thousand less...

Geek

Sorry hit submit to early....I was also going to tell you we have someone in the local racing club that drives an SRT4...You would have alot of trouble telling him that it's a pos...especially at the track....he run's consistent high 13's....and it's also his daily driver...But to each his own....I think the rx8 is better you think the sti is better...let's agree to disagree...but if you really want to hear the truth about bang for the buck....look into the SRT4...

If not a neon then why not a lancer evo...I believe it was car and driver that said..."It carves through the corners much better then the STI" So there's your handling and straight line speed....

Just one members opinion...take it how you like...

Kev

Funny, but I haven't had the urge to go and post on non RX8 forums and tell them that I didn't like their car and was choosing the 8.

The only real negative about the car anyone could honestly say will be with it over the life of the vehicle is the fuel consumption. Frankly, the consumption doesn't worry me, otherwise I would have got a motor scooter.

The car has a W.A.R.R.A.N.T.Y. If something is wrong, Mazda will fix it - they have no choice.

Get in the car, test drive it ... if you like it and you can cope with the fuel consumption - buy it. If you don't like it, go away ... please, just go away!

takahashi

WRONG!@!

STi in Australia starts running problems from the engine to the muffler. Most WRXs or STis cannot last over 5 years without major surgery!!! GOOD LUCK! I like the drive of the STi but the problem ratio is MUCH MUCH higher in WRX than RX8 (oh well so far as no long term test yet)

takahashi

Fuel consumption. STi is about the same isn't it? The Ford and Holden has much worse fuel consumption and don't ask my friend with Skyline R34 for a long trip (or else hire a petrol tank as well)

jax8

TONAMAL, I hope you get the feeling that we care about you here down under.

RE fuel consumption: sti will only better posted 8 experiences if driven by your Mother.
Re reliability: 3 wrx's later, no faults whatsoever. Front brake pads and discs and clutch plates replaced at appropriate mileages according to driving style. Tyres: got 42000 km out of the first Potenzas on the sti (showing my age).

vibec

I bought the RX-8

but for a short time I was considering the STi- it is cheaper, the acceleration from 4000-6000 rpm was nothing less than astonishing (and not a bit scary), and the engine was proven.

but after test driving it a bit i realised;

- the interior of the sti is low rent
- you would never get to use the car's acceleration in daily use
- it attracts attention of all the wrong sort (im not 20 any more)
- the ride is not the best
- perhaps the worst of all, the engine block is actually ancient- you can bolt on any part of the newest sti's (we only have the 2.0L in australia) to the oldest liberty RS turbo which is over 10 years old not, including suspesion components.


but good luck to all the sti owners out there- fromm 4000-6000rpm its a special car.

Elara

Tonamal, if the only reason you're here is to make posts designed to cause a flame war, leave now. If you don't want the 8, wonderful-go buy the STi, but posting such deliberately inflammatory comments is really uncalled for.

dashunde

tonamal... Unless you bring in an exceptional income, your not going to buy either car... insurance is going to eat you alive at age 20.

I cant count the number of 18-22 year olds that have pulled on our lot in some kind of beat-up econo-box saying that they are going to buy an 8 and want a $250/month payment.... one look at the real-world payments and insurance costs and they vanish.

KKMmaniac

From what I hear about the STi, it looks like it would be a real hoot to drive, at least if you're pushing it. Straight line acceleration must be phenomenal, with all-wheel drive and 300 lb/ft of torque. Speaking of all-wheel drive, it's a nice feature to have here, when the roads are covered with snow. I'll see how my RX8 does with snow tires real soon.

However, I agree the interior looks cheap. And can you really expect better mileage with a 300 HP, 2.5 l, turbo boxer, in a car that really isn't very light either?

And regarding reliability, I can't speak for the STi, but my 2002 WRX first allocation had a few issues from the get-go, some remedied before I traded it in at 30,000 miles: Altitude sickness when I took it to Colorado, (the dealer said basically, we can't duplicate it, so we can't solve it) clutch action like a light switch, (engaged or disengaged, no linearity) crunchy, imprecise shifting, numerous CEL's, two evaporative emission control sensors replaced, (no biggie) the engine rapped like Grandmaster Flash when cold, (probably piston slap; an idiosyncracy shared with many other Subarus including my '95 Impreza) and finally, a clutch that was replaced under warranty, 'cause when the drive train was cold, the clutch would judder so badly, I thought I was driving over railroad ties.

The STi is also a very complex piece of machinery, with variable valve timing, turbo, all-wheel-drive, 16 valves, multi-piston calipers, variable torque split, front/rear limited slip, etc. How will it (or any car, including the RX8) hold up in the long run, and if it breaks, which of these many parts will it be? And cheaper? My RX8 cost under $28,000.

So far anyway, (~4500 mi.) no issues with my (first allocation) RX8. As a daily driver, the RX8 is a much more pleasant car to drive, all things considered, even though I don't get that nice push in the back as the boost kicks in. I do still like Subaru though, mainly for their uniqueness and innovation.

sazebac

If straight line speed is all you care about then definitly, get the sti. But nobody on the road is going to give your Subaru a second glance. Plus, it's a Subura.
Looks kind of cheap imo.