Notices
General Automotive Discuss all things automotive here other than the RX-8

Of Pontiac & Saturn...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 05-30-2009 | 10:48 PM
  #1  
Ever Hernandez's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rx8_4eVeR
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 852
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, Cali
Question Of Pontiac & Saturn...

So, as we approach the end of Pontiac and Saturn, are the G8, Solstice and Saturn sky destined for greatness as future classics? Are these cars the highlight of brands once on the way to greatness, when the future looked bright for GM? I honestly think so.

I wish they could make the Sky into a chevy to say the least so they can keep it on the market. Even though the Solstice is more organic, I like the curvaceous and creased body of the Sky and the new chevy grill would be right at home on the Sky.

What's your take??

Last edited by Ever Hernandez; 05-31-2009 at 03:48 AM.
Old 05-30-2009 | 10:51 PM
  #2  
Alexb's Avatar
desperately needs a drop
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,127
Likes: 1
From: Dallas, Texas
ya, no doubt, the sky should be kept in production. But if you have one now, and they discontinued it. It would be an awesome collectors toy down the road.
Old 05-31-2009 | 10:30 AM
  #3  
REsuperD's Avatar
zoom zoom
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 707
Likes: 0
From: CA
i think the solstice is pretty much the best car gm has ever designed, engineered, and produced (...save the sting ray). it's beautiful, quite original, dynamically decent, and totally american. the fact that they spent so much time and effort developing it and then just trashes it like that shows one of the long running problems of general motors, that they have no principle, integrity, or philosophy. it's a soulless company, and they sure live up to their namesake. they occasionally put out a decent car, but as a whole their tendency is to make crap and behave like ****. even chrysler has more soul and personality than them. makes me never want to approach any gm product ever. but the solstice is so good, if i had a lot of spare cash i'd mothball a gxp coupe. i really have not a lot of sympathy for gm, but for the solstice i hope they'll sell the design to someone else, but that seems unlikely
Old 05-31-2009 | 03:07 PM
  #4  
CarAndDriver's Avatar
2005 Black RX-8 GT 6M
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,350
Likes: 0
From: San Jose Area
Originally Posted by Ever Hernandez
So, as we approach the end of Pontiac and Saturn, are the G8, Solstice and Saturn sky destined for greatness as future classics? Are these cars the highlight of brands once on the way to greatness, when the future looked bright for GM? I honestly think so.

I wish they could make the Sky into a chevy to say the least so they can keep it on the market. Even though the Solstice is more organic, I like the curvaceous and creased body of the Sky and the new chevy grill would be right at home on the Sky.

What's your take??
Future classics??? The G8 is an excellent car, but future greatness remains to be determined.

The Solstice and the Sky will be fremembered as GM coulda woulda shoulda cars. GM has a list a mile long of 1/2 starts and 1/2 attempts. The future has never looked bright for GM in the last 3 decades. The sky has only gotten a bit brighter in the last couple years, but a bit too late.

The Solstice and the Sky were good concepts that were let down by inattention to the details: clausterphobic interiors, no trunk space, ugly/awkward tops, zero storage space, mediocre ergonomics, and cheap materials.
Old 05-31-2009 | 03:21 PM
  #5  
Ever Hernandez's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rx8_4eVeR
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 852
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, Cali
Valid points, but the classics nowadays suffer from exactly that. So, in all, its their rarity that will eventually make it a collector's item most likely.
Old 05-31-2009 | 05:43 PM
  #6  
Star Mazda Atlantic's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
The superiority of the RX-8 over the Sky, Solstice (and Crossfire) from just about any conceivable measurable standard (except fuel economy) caused me to switch to Mazda instead of GM. It is hard to see how such products will end up as classics. They didn't make to many Pontiac Fiero's either, are those beloved classics? I dont think so.
Old 05-31-2009 | 05:45 PM
  #7  
Ever Hernandez's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rx8_4eVeR
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 852
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, Cali
Oh c'on you can't compare the Fiero to the Solstice.
Old 05-31-2009 | 06:14 PM
  #8  
YaXMaNGTO's Avatar
It's a Cavalier
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,926
Likes: 5
From: Austin, TX
Originally Posted by Ever Hernandez
Oh c'on you can't compare the Fiero to the Solstice.
Absolutely you can. Id say the Fiero was far more interesting a car than the Solstice... an American rear engine sport coupe? It was different. It was a piece of ****, but it was different and fairly daring. The Solstice? Not a bad car, but it's just a Miata wannabee, and it was late to the party.

I wonder if any Kappa platform cars will continue to be produced.
Old 05-31-2009 | 07:27 PM
  #9  
GotBass's Avatar
Still plays with cars
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
From: Chicagoland
I think the best bet for collectable classice is going to be the Solstice Coupe. It is new for 2009 and I read that they are making only 750 of them. And roughly half will be the turbo version.
Old 05-31-2009 | 07:45 PM
  #10  
alfy28's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,027
Likes: 0
From: Austin, Texas
i wish they used no chrome body parts on the sky. think it would of looked much better. but as for as rare car. i think it will have a following in the future (both cars)
Old 06-01-2009 | 08:37 PM
  #11  
PSTNLSS's Avatar
The Former PSNTLSS
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,094
Likes: 0
From: South Plainfield, NJ/ Center Valley, PA
As dumb as it sounds merge the two companies and make super cars
Old 06-01-2009 | 11:28 PM
  #12  
CarAndDriver's Avatar
2005 Black RX-8 GT 6M
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,350
Likes: 0
From: San Jose Area
Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
Absolutely you can. Id say the Fiero was far more interesting a car than the Solstice... an American rear engine sport coupe? It was different. It was a piece of ****, but it was different and fairly daring. The Solstice? Not a bad car, but it's just a Miata wannabee, and it was late to the party.

I wonder if any Kappa platform cars will continue to be produced.
I would agree that the Fiero was a more interesting car from the get go. Like many GM products, it squandered whatever potential it had with poor execution and by the time it actually got decent, the damage was done and it got axed.

The Solstice and Sky were splashy looking 2 seater convertibles in the Miata idiom - without the attention to detail and the driving dynamics. GM really didn't improve them much over their short life other than making the Solstice a hardtop and giving them a big engine that still didn't make up for the interior mess.
Old 06-01-2009 | 11:49 PM
  #13  
shazy's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,256
Likes: 0
From: Montreal,QC
Only thing GM did right was the Corvette and the New Chevy Camaro. They really shouldn't have name the Pontiac a GTO, that was a phail right there.
Old 06-04-2009 | 08:32 PM
  #14  
911SC's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 462
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by REsuperD
i think the solstice is pretty much the best car gm has ever designed, engineered, and produced (...save the sting ray). it's beautiful, quite original, dynamically decent, and totally american. the fact that they spent so much time and effort developing it and then just trashes it like that shows one of the long running problems of general motors, that they have no principle, integrity, or philosophy. it's a soulless company, and they sure live up to their namesake. they occasionally put out a decent car, but as a whole their tendency is to make crap and behave like ****. even chrysler has more soul and personality than them. makes me never want to approach any gm product ever. but the solstice is so good, if i had a lot of spare cash i'd mothball a gxp coupe. i really have not a lot of sympathy for gm, but for the solstice i hope they'll sell the design to someone else, but that seems unlikely
That "totally american" car, if i'm not mistaken, is an Opel.
Old 06-04-2009 | 09:26 PM
  #15  
vbrad26's Avatar
Lurker McNasty
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
From: Florida
Originally Posted by 911SC
That "totally american" car, if i'm not mistaken, is an Opel.
opel speedster...



edit: EVERY new saturn is just a re-badged opel for the most part.

Last edited by vbrad26; 06-04-2009 at 09:37 PM.
Old 06-04-2009 | 10:16 PM
  #16  
ryanalexander4's Avatar
- Ryan Alexander -
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth, TX
Originally Posted by PSTNLSS
As dumb as it sounds merge the two companies and make super cars
Yes, that DOES sound dumb.
But, I will miss the G8 GXP and the SKY Redline - definite head-turners.
Old 06-04-2009 | 11:15 PM
  #17  
Skyfire's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
From: Ottawa, Canada
The Pontiac G8 is just a rebadged Holden Commodore (GM's Australian division).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VE_Commodore
Old 06-04-2009 | 11:19 PM
  #18  
foxman's Avatar
Torque is Good
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 694
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis, IN
The Camaro is the new G8.
Old 06-04-2009 | 11:38 PM
  #19  
Ever Hernandez's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rx8_4eVeR
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 852
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, Cali
We all know that the G8 comes from down under, that it's structure is the basis for the new camaro. The fact the few examples that made it to states as Pontiacs is what will make them rare in the future, 30, 40 years from now, kinda like the original GTO.

The Solstice and Sky have the potential of becoming collector's items on style alone. Not every classic is meant for every enthusiast so don't try to force your point across. True, this Kappa cars don't really break new technological ground but they have a certain appeal all their own.
Old 06-05-2009 | 11:45 AM
  #20  
YaXMaNGTO's Avatar
It's a Cavalier
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,926
Likes: 5
From: Austin, TX
You guys see that Roger Penske is buying Saturn?
Old 06-05-2009 | 02:12 PM
  #21  
Ever Hernandez's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rx8_4eVeR
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 852
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, Cali
Yeah, he will then start importing korean made cars.
Old 06-05-2009 | 04:26 PM
  #22  
CarAndDriver's Avatar
2005 Black RX-8 GT 6M
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,350
Likes: 0
From: San Jose Area
Originally Posted by Ever Hernandez
Yeah, he will then start importing korean made cars.
Not any different than GM. Pontiac sells a horrible Korean car called the G3 made by Daewoo. Also known as the Chevy Aveo. My friend has one and it is a POS.

Personally, Saturn selling rebadged Hyundais would be more successful than they are currently.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Prescription 8
Non-Rotary Swaps
117
02-14-2018 01:07 PM
groll69
MW RX-8 Forum
2
08-17-2015 05:21 PM
Backup7
General Automotive
52
09-19-2004 11:21 PM



You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Of Pontiac & Saturn...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:13 AM.