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Originally Posted by shaolin
Haha you call wheels and a drop "modding to the point where it's silly?"
Interesting. Not a real Porsche too? Wow okay...well let's see...designed in Stuttgart, manufactured in Leipzig. Sounds pretty Porsche to me.
Last time I checked the 350Z was designed in California, with a French engine. So I guess it's not really a Nissan then.
Well anyways I don't really care. I could have afforded a mid level 911 or a cayman, but my work and my lifestyle required an SUV. Excuse me if I needed an SUV with sports car behavior.
Oh by the way...the Cayenne has been known to hold its own on the track with some 911's. Go figure..
BTW the air suspension was the one option I didn't opt for, but apparently the car handles better with H&R sport springs...here's a picture of it with the springs. Very mild drop.
Sorry offroad capabilities while nice to have, are not something I use, so I'm not concerned with hurting offroad capabilities. Let's just be real here. But according to the guys on the Porsche forums the offroad capabilities don't suffer with the H&R springs.
Interesting. Not a real Porsche too? Wow okay...well let's see...designed in Stuttgart, manufactured in Leipzig. Sounds pretty Porsche to me.
Last time I checked the 350Z was designed in California, with a French engine. So I guess it's not really a Nissan then.
Well anyways I don't really care. I could have afforded a mid level 911 or a cayman, but my work and my lifestyle required an SUV. Excuse me if I needed an SUV with sports car behavior.
Oh by the way...the Cayenne has been known to hold its own on the track with some 911's. Go figure..
BTW the air suspension was the one option I didn't opt for, but apparently the car handles better with H&R sport springs...here's a picture of it with the springs. Very mild drop.
Sorry offroad capabilities while nice to have, are not something I use, so I'm not concerned with hurting offroad capabilities. Let's just be real here. But according to the guys on the Porsche forums the offroad capabilities don't suffer with the H&R springs.
quit apologizing to me. congrats on your car. You posted asking what people thought, and I responded. I said i think its silly. "sorry thats bugging you"
Dont praise its offroad capabilites then mention that you're dropping the car. That is silly. I dont think you said that, but Dragula did.
Im glad you are rich enough to be able to afford it. But just cause you have money doesn't always make you wise.
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I'm not apologizing for anything I just find it strange and appalling that someone would suspect that the Cayenne is not a real "Porsche." Porsche is one of the few independent automakers left...they need to stay afloat, and well honestly sportscars don't pay the bills. Porsche has been talking about making a larger passenger vehicle since the 70's.
The Cayenne is actually called the Porsche 955. It is inspired by you guessed it, the Paris Dakkar champ the 959.
Couple Porsche's ambitions of making a larger passenger vehicle since the late 70's, and their flare for offroad and the Cayenne is what happened. But I guess it's "suspect that it's not really a Porsche."
I'd let you drive the car if you were local. You'd see why it wears a Porsche Crest on it's hood. But hey...your opinion is yours... I just wanted to point out Porsche's intentions behind the Cayenne.
The Cayenne is actually called the Porsche 955. It is inspired by you guessed it, the Paris Dakkar champ the 959.
Couple Porsche's ambitions of making a larger passenger vehicle since the late 70's, and their flare for offroad and the Cayenne is what happened. But I guess it's "suspect that it's not really a Porsche."
I'd let you drive the car if you were local. You'd see why it wears a Porsche Crest on it's hood. But hey...your opinion is yours... I just wanted to point out Porsche's intentions behind the Cayenne.
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Originally Posted by shaolin
The Cayenne is actually called the Porsche 955. It is inspired by you guessed it, the Paris Dakkar champ the 959.
Couple Porsche's ambitions of making a larger passenger vehicle since the late 70's, and their flare for offroad and the Cayenne is what happened. But I guess it's "suspect that it's not really a Porsche."
Couple Porsche's ambitions of making a larger passenger vehicle since the late 70's, and their flare for offroad and the Cayenne is what happened. But I guess it's "suspect that it's not really a Porsche."
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BTW people put H&R springs on boxsters and 911's all the time...they're a german made spring like eibach but less harsh of a ride...
I'm just wondering why that would make it "suspect?" I'm not arguing with you just asking...
I'm just wondering why that would make it "suspect?" I'm not arguing with you just asking...
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Originally Posted by shaolin
I'd let you drive the car if you were local. You'd see why it wears a Porsche Crest on it's hood. But hey...your opinion is yours... I just wanted to point out Porsche's intentions behind the Cayenne.
I'm not sure 22 inch wheels and a drop help the car, more than just change its looks. But that's your call. YOu've done the research.
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Oh I see what you're getting at here. Well as for the 22's they're actually very close to stock weight. They're made specifically for Porsche by Victor Equipment. The drop obviously improves handling but offroad use would be suspect, but as I said I don't go offroad. With the newer rubber the car sticks to the road quite well.
I will be holding onto the stock 20's and putting snow tires on them for winters in the mountains and weekend snowboarding.
I am beginning to wish I had opted for air suspension though...
I will be holding onto the stock 20's and putting snow tires on them for winters in the mountains and weekend snowboarding.
I am beginning to wish I had opted for air suspension though...
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Originally Posted by shaolin
BTW people put H&R springs on boxsters and 911's all the time...they're a german made spring like eibach but less harsh of a ride...
I'm just wondering why that would make it "suspect?" I'm not arguing with you just asking...
I'm just wondering why that would make it "suspect?" I'm not arguing with you just asking...
You have a Cayenne. A great sporty SUV ...don't kill the utility side if thats what your life calls for
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I had the same concern...after talking with the guys at rennlist they say that the springs only make the gap on the wheels less horrendous. They say ride quality does not suffer...I mean we're only talking a one inch drop.
Valid concerns nonetheless....
Valid concerns nonetheless....
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Originally Posted by shaolin
I had the same concern...after talking with the guys at rennlist they say that the springs only make the gap on the wheels less horrendous. They say ride quality does not suffer...I mean we're only talking a one inch drop.
Valid concerns nonetheless....
Valid concerns nonetheless....
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Originally Posted by dragula53
they also happen to make a car that was their hallmark for the past 60 years or so, it is violating its porsche credentials.
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Originally Posted by shaolin
I'm not apologizing for anything I just find it strange and appalling that someone would suspect that the Cayenne is not a real "Porsche."
Originally Posted by shaolin
The Cayenne is actually called the Porsche 955. It is inspired by you guessed it, the Paris Dakkar champ the 959.
I also think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was TRULY inspired by the 959. It was inspired by Porsche's desire to make more money and reel in their existing customers who were buying BMW, Range Rover and M-B SUV's. A brilliant marketing maneuver, I must admit, as the Cayenne has made them a boatload of money and they are keeping uncounted numbers of customers in-house. The 4-door that they may or may not end up selling will simply do more of the same (and probably be decried by the Porsche purists as well).
I'm not slamming your vehicle, shaolin (though I wouldn't buy one even if I had the means to), I just think you're getting a little overzealous in your defense of the Cayenne.
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Well, I'm just telling you what I read on the rennlist forums...alot of guys have actually put 955 emblems on their trunk lids.
The Cayenne brouchure talks up the 959 so that's where I got that from but maybe it's just as you say "overzealous" marketing then. Oh well...if I had it my way I would be in a 911, but we all have to compromise right?
The Cayenne brouchure talks up the 959 so that's where I got that from but maybe it's just as you say "overzealous" marketing then. Oh well...if I had it my way I would be in a 911, but we all have to compromise right?
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Originally Posted by shaolin
Oh well...if I had it my way I would be in a 911, but we all have to compromise right?
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60 years, huh? I presume you're referring to the 911 (since the post you're answering does), and I'm here to tell ya they ain't been makin' no 911 for 60 years.
1948, June 8: First Porsche car (#356-001) registered in Gmund Austria; it --> had a 1086cc 30kW VW engine.
That sounds like 58 years to me.
I hope I am forgiven for overestimating the amount of years that porsche has been making "cars"
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Originally Posted by dragula53
courtesy of: http://www.4wdonline.com/Porsche/History.html
1948, June 8: First Porsche car (#356-001) registered in Gmund Austria; it --> had a 1086cc 30kW VW engine.
That sounds like 58 years to me.
I hope I am forgiven for overestimating the amount of years that porsche has been making "cars"
1948, June 8: First Porsche car (#356-001) registered in Gmund Austria; it --> had a 1086cc 30kW VW engine.
That sounds like 58 years to me.
I hope I am forgiven for overestimating the amount of years that porsche has been making "cars"
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Originally Posted by BlueEyes
No, and you're not forgiven for not knowing the difference between a 911 and 356 is either.
http://vista.pca.org/stl/gmund.htm
looks like.. a porsche.
oh wait, I love this quote: "48 years ago, in Gmünd, Austria, the very first Porsche sports car was hand built."
I never said 911. Porsche has stayed with something resembling that design for... 58 years.
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Originally Posted by BlueEyes
It may, but it's a volkswagen. ha. You were clearly referring to the 911 in your post, and that is not a 911. The first 911s were produced in '64 I think.
anyway, whatever. my point was that comments about it not being a "real" porsche are stupid.
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Originally Posted by dragula53
1948, June 8: First Porsche car (#356-001) registered in Gmund Austria; it --> had a 1086cc 30kW VW engine.
That sounds like 58 years to me.
That sounds like 58 years to me.
Originally Posted by dragula53
they also happen to make a car that was their hallmark for the past 60 years or so
Aside from drivetrain bits and configuration, the cars were essentially unrelated... The 356 was basically a hot-rodded Beetle, and the 901/911/912, whatever you want to call it, were dedicated designs. Which was my point, that they haven't been making A car that has been their hallmark for 60 years, or 58 years. I think THE iconic Porsche is the 911, which has had a truly amazing 42-year run. I believe this makes it the longest-running "constant" in the car business that is CURRENTLY produced, now that even the Beetle is no longer made anywhere in the world.
Naturally, someone will point out that I am wrong about that last statement. Maybe the Morgan? Not the crosseyed Aero8, of course, but I guess one could argue that variations of the Morgan 4/4, introduced in the mid-30's, are still produced.
*sigh* Maybe someday I'll have one... I'd love a mid-90's 993-series model 911. I've got a decent amount of wheel time in 80's-era 911's, but that doesn't match the satisfaction of seeing one in your garage.
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
Well, THIS is what you DID say:
They don't make the 356 anymore, and haven't for over 40 years. The 911 was the REPLACEMENT for the 356... Unless you want to split hairs and say that the 912 was the TRUE replacement for the 356, with which it shared an engine (if memory serves). I'm not really trying to start an argument, I figured you meant the 911 since the post you responded to (and you quoted) mentioned the 911. Perhaps I worded it in a more confrontational manner than was really intended.
Aside from drivetrain bits and configuration, the cars were essentially unrelated... The 356 was basically a hot-rodded Beetle, and the 901/911/912, whatever you want to call it, were dedicated designs. Which was my point, that they haven't been making A car that has been their hallmark for 60 years, or 58 years. I think THE iconic Porsche is the 911, which has had a truly amazing 42-year run. I believe this makes it the longest-running "constant" in the car business that is CURRENTLY produced, now that even the Beetle is no longer made anywhere in the world.
Naturally, someone will point out that I am wrong about that last statement.
*sigh* Maybe someday I'll have one... I'd love a mid-90's 993-series model 911. I've got a decent amount of wheel time in 80's-era 911's, but that doesn't match the satisfaction of seeing one in your garage.
They don't make the 356 anymore, and haven't for over 40 years. The 911 was the REPLACEMENT for the 356... Unless you want to split hairs and say that the 912 was the TRUE replacement for the 356, with which it shared an engine (if memory serves). I'm not really trying to start an argument, I figured you meant the 911 since the post you responded to (and you quoted) mentioned the 911. Perhaps I worded it in a more confrontational manner than was really intended.
Aside from drivetrain bits and configuration, the cars were essentially unrelated... The 356 was basically a hot-rodded Beetle, and the 901/911/912, whatever you want to call it, were dedicated designs. Which was my point, that they haven't been making A car that has been their hallmark for 60 years, or 58 years. I think THE iconic Porsche is the 911, which has had a truly amazing 42-year run. I believe this makes it the longest-running "constant" in the car business that is CURRENTLY produced, now that even the Beetle is no longer made anywhere in the world.
Naturally, someone will point out that I am wrong about that last statement.
*sigh* Maybe someday I'll have one... I'd love a mid-90's 993-series model 911. I've got a decent amount of wheel time in 80's-era 911's, but that doesn't match the satisfaction of seeing one in your garage.
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Originally Posted by dragula53
It is still splitting hairs, when the point of the post was about how calling the cayenne "not a porsche" is unfair and silly.
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
The only hair-splitting I see is whether or not the 911 or the 912 was the true replacement for the 356. You might as well try to convince me that the Ford Taurus was in production since the 60's, since it was the replacement for the Ford LTD.