thunderberk

FB & FC had non turbo varients ok i am agree with you BUT ?

Rotary is every day renovate itself and it is going to develop more reliable, efficent and etc.

Most Rx-7 fans and every rotary tuners like Rx-7 FD3S model generally this is true when you say Rx-7 they remember FD..

Rx-7 is pure sports car.

Rx-8 is sports coupe.

You must learn what Product Manager Noboru Katabuchi said

''Question: With four doors, can the RX-8 really be considered a sports car?
Katabuchi's answer:
"Of course. A lot of factors go into defining what is a sports car''

thunderberk

I posted another thread but it must to be here

* Roadster and it is able to be cheap and everbody will buy !

* 1000-1200 kg's enough

* 300 hp na rotary with range extender

* Maybe engine in the front range extender in the back with everybody see like exotics and give them product numbers on range extenders to be unique !

* Put it on a fuel comsumption gauge to see mileage !

* Create the shape of the furai ! it is looking like to be Zonda's maybe roadster version looks like Zonda S 7.3

SayNoToPistons

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Looks like Toyota will be releasing two more sports cars (perhaps even a new Supra) in the coming years. With that said, it will increase the chances of Mazda producing a new rotary sports car. Mazda have stated in the past that they will be over looking sales of the FRS/BRZ prior to developing a new sports car.

Toyota to let loose two more sports cars after the 86

bse50

It would be a shame to see the next rx7 in the same category as the brz... If there's a Supra there must be an rx in that same category...

comebackqid

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2 more sports cars from toyota my guess a new supra, and new celica.

bse50

mr-2 and supra... the celica makes no sense since they have the toyobaru already.

SayNoToPistons

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^ This. The recent Celicas were turds and the TC is practically their replacement.

SayNoToPistons

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Normally I don't care for twitter, but this on the other hand...


Mazda tweet confirms next-gen rotory engine with SkyActiv tech


http://twitter.com/Mazda_PR/status/122570913660153856

alnielsen

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Good catch, thank you.

gwilliams6

I have owned seven rotary Mazdas since 1973, a RX3, two RX4's (both coupe and sedan), all three generations of RX7 and a 40th Anniversary edition RX8. I will certainly buy the new RX7 when it comes out, and still keep my 40th Anniversary RX8 for when I need four seats.

thunderberk

Guys why don't Mazda build like a different roadster car with rotary engine ? Miata is ok it is legendary retro producing roadster with jimba ittai mentality.

They haven't solve fuel comsumption and other negative points of the rotary engine, why they don't think the simple and easy way and the fastest way to produce next rotary car.

Use mx-5 platform with renesis engine is enough for the next rotary car this my lookin view.. Maybe they put a skyactive technology and range extender. Maybe put a supercharger unit.

And why 2017 ?? do we have to wait Mazda's Rotary history 50th anniversary ?? I don't understand japaneese car producers thats why Germans play big in this industry !

Mazmart

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If they built it the way you are suggesting, not enough people would buy it. Maybe they will do a convertible eventually. If they added 100 hp to the MX-5 chassis, they would have to provide a gearbox strong enough, brakes large enough, sufficient cooling system etc. There is more involved than you are thinking.

Regarding the year of choice, Mazda is raising funding through various means and they know where they are in the development stage with the new engine. Rushing these things to market always results in problems and less than optimal products. So hold on, I think they are working on a car you will enjoy (And it won't have a supercharger or range extender).

Paul.

thunderberk

Why ? Isn't it possible ? For an example s2000 sale numbers 112,636
FD3S Rx-7 sale numbers67,859

In my opinion FD3S disappointing sales figures Mazda don't need any Rx-7 to return to scene..If Mazda produce a roadster like an s2000 some miata fans wants more power because of this. It will sale much more i think.

And everybody wants cheap price car and everybody is going to buy. If Mazda re produce Rx-7 this sale number not enough for them. If Rotary appeal to a lot of people it must be cheap.

I hope Mazda work their job. We want to suprise. And please Mazda produce cheap car because some countries like our country they have lots of taxes when buying car extra car taxes twice the sale price...

SayNoToPistons

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You mean Mazda doesn't need the flaws of the FD to return to the scene. Horrid cooling system, rats net vacuum, etc. The FC and FB were very successful.

dynamho

If it can run the Nordschleife in 8:10 or better, I'll be grabbing one without hesitation, even at a premium.

Mazmart

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Amen! No more of that complicated nonsense. I worked on those cars at the dealer. I owned those cars. I've built those engines. Pain in the bee hind .

Paul

bse50

That's doable. My NA rx8 runs slightly sub 8 min laptimes.

dynamho

That's impressive with NA. Race tires?

Mazmart

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Don't try this at home kids. bse50 is a freak of nature that would scare the Stig if he would travel with him .

Paul.

alnielsen

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Some say, he has sat in for the Stig on occasion.

TALAN7

I agree with you completely on this one. The RX8 hasn't been reliable at all. I love it, it's just a pain in the ***. Mazda needs to work on its mechanicals to make them more bulletproof.
Too many parts failed at too early of a time in my car, and I babied her. At this point if it came out in 2017 I couldn't buy it till 2021. That's when they'd get all the kinks out. USE HIGHER QUALITY PARTS MAZDA!

ASH8

I am one who agrees with you....

As I have said before, Mazda missed an ideal opportunity to add a Renesis to the Miata/MX-5 platform, MMC said it could not be done, many quickly realised this was/is BS...it would have been superb, even bring back the old 12B with MSP, most of us know that side exhaust porting (MSP) IS the only way Mazda can continue with ANY RE.

Why do we have to wait, well IMO 'IF' and "when" we see a new RE it MUST be...
1. a Jaw dropper to look at.
2. Configured* like we know Mazda can and does.
3. Reliable**
4. Economical.
5. Price.

*I get very tired of those (who should know better) who keep calling for another RX-7 or FD, and that the FE RX-8 was a failure, blah, blah.
The FD could NOT be made today as virtually nothing would conform to today's Regulations.
If anything the FD was a 'sales' failure for an ALL new model.
A few 'enthusiast's' is not enough numbers to warrant any new Rotary.
The RX-8 was configured superbly for it's time....and still is.
The GFC killed off most of MMC's plans for a second gen RX-8.
** Yes, the Series 1 FE RX-8 had a few engine reliability problems (which infected all) I would say 'normally' would never had occurred but
for the pressure of Ford management to launch the RX-8 before it was reliability/tested ready.

Rememeber (again) the RX-8 was so close to not even being born.

There were three engineering issues which should have been rectified before release (and normally would have),
1. is low Oil Pressure.
2. Apex and Side/Corner Seal lubrication (also see Oil Pressure).
3. Oil Circuit and Coolant Cooling System....

All 3 rectified in Series 2 RX-8, but all too late...

Officially, the FE/SE RX-8 had one factory recall, the FD RX-7 had two.

TSB's (are not recalls), well really no more or less than any other new Mazda.
The more the better as it shows a pro-active car maker who wants to please their customers, who reads what dealers say (mechanics), who listens and acts.

Every decade ''the consumer'' or Governments demands more in a car, more gadgets, more safety, more fuel economy, more power, more luxury.
ALL at a cost, ALL contradictory in some instances, ALL adds mass and weight.
ENOUGH!..

Even in my MX-5, half the stuff I don't even use or even want.

More than anything today I would prefer to see MAZDA actually offering a 'Build as you Like Choice' to their customers, yep, the actual customer specifying what to add.
Mazda do it in Japan, so why not USA/Australia/Europe??...
REAL Choice, it can work and would set Mazda apart.

What NAME??....again, IMO a boring subject in what 'a' new RX- will be called...it really does not matter, but I guess to some RX-7 will appeal, personally I believe RX-9 is a far better idea......a new beginning.

BTW:...One thing for certain is this new RX- when and if it happens will be 'a' far better 'sorted and tested' before mass production Rotary....
MMC won't have Ford MC breathing down on their production executives/bean counters.

TALAN7

I have to disagree with you partially there. Every iteration of the rotary has had it's own problems. The reason why is Mazda keeps changing/adding new technology (which it should) which generates new issues and theyr'e the only ones doing it. Side seals, etc... What will it be next time? I'm really afraid of this laser ignition. How much will that cost to repair? I can hear it now. "I'm sorry sir, you need to replace your LIS." Only Mazda will make it so it will cost a lot. First few years would have issues and ten years later everyone will be like yeah the first gen LISs had issues but they got right for 2nd gen, blah blah blah.

Mazda should make a deal with Fiat (Alfa Romeo) to not just make an Alfa of the MX5 but a rotary powered car as well. Fiat could give some money/engineering help, that way they could keep costs down and double the efforts. If Mazda has the rights to liscense the rotary they need to just give their rotary to another manufacturer to get different thinking on it. If the manufacturer can improve it they can use it along with Mazda. We need more engineers working on it.

dynamho

a ha!

ASH8

And you don't think 'other' brands of cars have had issues while still new or only a few years old?

Sorry, please don't take any offence, but some believe everything should last forever or longer than it did, like on 'the other' brand of car I owned.

I also don't agree that 'other' car companies need to get involved with trying to 'fix' the 'Rotary', Mazda have been updating it for decades , just like car makers have with banger engines, was not that long about that banger Valve Stem Seals would leak and burn oil in large quantities on short mileage engines, or piston rings on Nissan V6, Camshafts on Porsche Engines.

The Rotary IS so simple there is only so much that can be done...
Mazda has experimented on hundreds/thousands of occasions to better the engine and they have done so, with no thanks to anyone else.

It has been the invention of superior Electronics over the past years which has moved the Rotary engine further, not so much mechanical, as the mechanics really have not changed much at all...as I have said before, design, dimension, and layout of so many 'metal' RENESIS engine parts are from 13B's made 30+ years ago.
Just because they are old by design does not mean they are inferior.

Side Exhaust Porting is not new either for Mazda....they experimented back in the early 70's with MSP, as they did with long stroke or Longer Rotors (13A), like the 'new' 16X.

Ignition and Fuel (Carbon) has always been a bug of Rotaries.