RX-7 confirmed. Hallelujah!
11-01-2012, 11:27 AM
#76
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it won't be built on an MX5 platform. Mazda has a Sports Car Platform. They will build two models from it an R-7 and an MX-5. Calling it the MX-5 Platform is just what journalists do to be lazy or what naysayers do because they think they are getting a shot in. then you take them on a track in a MX-5 for their first time ever and they shut up.
11-01-2012, 11:37 AM
#77
my thoughts as well
it won't be built on an MX5 platform. Mazda has a Sports Car Platform. They will build two models from it an R-7 and an MX-5. Calling it the MX-5 Platform is just what journalists do to be lazy or what naysayers do because they think they are getting a shot in. then you take them on a track in a MX-5 for their first time ever and they shut up.
it won't be built on an MX5 platform. Mazda has a Sports Car Platform. They will build two models from it an R-7 and an MX-5. Calling it the MX-5 Platform is just what journalists do to be lazy or what naysayers do because they think they are getting a shot in. then you take them on a track in a MX-5 for their first time ever and they shut up.
we over40 , still dreaming to buy a sporty sedan rotary powered, one day
my 2 eurocents....the platform of rx-7 will be shared with Alfa spider (obiuovsly IMHO). Alfa spider will be more expensive, more bigger, more powered and more luxury than ND mx5 , expect a Z4 counterpart.
Mazda exec are not idiots and they will build an Alfa Spider if wil be not dangerous for Mx5 sales.
RX7 have another market target.
11-01-2012, 12:13 PM
#78
European livin n ohio
Spanked? With the same level of driver? Highly doubtful.
And this is just a GT and the video is pretty old already. I would Imagine a Leguna Seca edition Mustang or a Camaro ZL1 would do better. I still would prefer an M3 over both of them but they are still performers. Imagine what the 2017 Mustang and Camaro will be packing.
Super Coupes Track Attack! - 2011 Ford Mustang GT vs 2011 BMW M3 Coupe - YouTube
And this is just a GT and the video is pretty old already. I would Imagine a Leguna Seca edition Mustang or a Camaro ZL1 would do better. I still would prefer an M3 over both of them but they are still performers. Imagine what the 2017 Mustang and Camaro will be packing.
Super Coupes Track Attack! - 2011 Ford Mustang GT vs 2011 BMW M3 Coupe - YouTube
And the camaro doesn't fly since it's Australian. Not an American car at all. The body panels are and the interior. And 50% of that is fugly (interior)
Im excited for the rx7 to return.
P.S lightness affects everything. Acceleration, braking and handling. Power just affects acceleration in a positive way. I'd rather have a 300hp 2600 lbs rx7 than a 4100 lbs mammoth with 450/500 hp that can only do one thing well. Just my 2c
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11-01-2012, 12:35 PM
#79
I agree that the Mustang and some other American muscle cars are serious value leaders. Mazda needs to figure out who they are. A "premium product" is interesting to me. Mazda definitely needs to transform themselves and their top sports car needs to be good (Really good). Will it be comparable to a Lotus perhaps? Sometimes there is more to the equation than dollar value. A LOT of people are buying Minis and they are definitely a premium product vs their content. They have a style and image that people are willing to pay extra for. Mazda's image of being a budget buyers choice will not keep them in business although they cannot lose the buyers of their bread and butter cars.
Maybe the next RX-7 will be comparable to a Porsche Cayman or a Lotus but not as steep.
Paul.
Maybe the next RX-7 will be comparable to a Porsche Cayman or a Lotus but not as steep.
Paul.
11-01-2012, 12:50 PM
#81
European livin n ohio
I think you're right Paul. Take the fiat 500 abarth essesse. Loads of fun! And cute as hell. And has what? 170hp? You can just throw them around with a huge smile on your face.
If it's going to be a 300hp N/A powered car it'll be in the 40k range to be able to sell. Higher than that is porsche country and 300hp isn't gonna cut it. Or they boost it be it with FI or hybrid technology like the NSX and then it'll be a lot more expensive. Im hoping for the 40k range myself. 300hp is more than enough for me in such a light car.
If it's going to be a 300hp N/A powered car it'll be in the 40k range to be able to sell. Higher than that is porsche country and 300hp isn't gonna cut it. Or they boost it be it with FI or hybrid technology like the NSX and then it'll be a lot more expensive. Im hoping for the 40k range myself. 300hp is more than enough for me in such a light car.
11-01-2012, 12:52 PM
#82
Regarding the bread and butter, the new 6 is almost in showrooms and looking sexy. It should be almost as quick as an automatic RX-8 (09-11) and possibly quicker than the original series 1 auto.
I hope they put a dent in Nissan Altima sales as well as Volkswagen Passat. More money for the Mazda halo car (Long live the RE).
Paul.
I hope they put a dent in Nissan Altima sales as well as Volkswagen Passat. More money for the Mazda halo car (Long live the RE).
Paul.
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11-01-2012, 01:16 PM
#83
OVER 9000!
Oh wait, that's the redline?
Considering the rotary stigma (at least in the US) and the fact that the Z can already be optioned into the 40k+ dollar range, I'd be shocked to even see it sold in the US.
If it is then great, and maybe Mazda is content with a (very) low volume halo car.
Oh wait, that's the redline?
Considering the rotary stigma (at least in the US) and the fact that the Z can already be optioned into the 40k+ dollar range, I'd be shocked to even see it sold in the US.
If it is then great, and maybe Mazda is content with a (very) low volume halo car.
Can't wait to see what the design will look like if it has any features like the Shinari concept.
As for price around $50K would be ok only if they include a lot of non standard features. If i am buying a premium car i was everything.
11-01-2012, 01:29 PM
#84
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No offense but that video is biased as hell. The M3 is drifting around the corner (slowest way) while the mustang is apexing the corners (fastest way) so if the M3 was PROPERLY driven that mustang wouldn't be anywhere. Just another example of American magazines hyping up a piece of junk.
And the camaro doesn't fly since it's Australian. Not an American car at all. The body panels are and the interior. And 50% of that is fugly (interior)
Im excited for the rx7 to return.
P.S lightness affects everything. Acceleration, braking and handling. Power just affects acceleration in a positive way. I'd rather have a 300hp 2600 lbs rx7 than a 4100 lbs mammoth with 450/500 hp that can only do one thing well. Just my 2c
And the camaro doesn't fly since it's Australian. Not an American car at all. The body panels are and the interior. And 50% of that is fugly (interior)
Im excited for the rx7 to return.
P.S lightness affects everything. Acceleration, braking and handling. Power just affects acceleration in a positive way. I'd rather have a 300hp 2600 lbs rx7 than a 4100 lbs mammoth with 450/500 hp that can only do one thing well. Just my 2c
Oh, and the latest gen Camaro is on the GM Zeta platform which was designed by a South Korean. The final design and engineering was done by GM Holden but I don't see why that even matters. GM is GM, it's a collaborative effort for a company to develop a car.
And a Boss 302 (right now) is 444HP and weighs 3600lbs. Power to weight ratio is power to weight ratio buddy. Do the math.
11-01-2012, 01:52 PM
#85
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Well, lots of talk, and a little smidge of bickering between friends here, as usual.
Personally, I do hope it comes in somewhere between $40k and $50k.
That will keep the FR-S/BRZ crowd away from it, and will keep it out of the hands of the low end "I needs a turbo on everything, or I'm not having any fun" crowd for a good while.
Porsche competition is what Mazda should be building.
Forget the Nissan Z, the Toyobaru Twins, the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger.
Tell the motoring world that you're not just trying to "emulate" the best driving cars on the planet (Boxster/Cayman), but that you're better than them.
And the most important thing is to not cut corners on the reliability aspect of the Rotary Engine this time. If they do that again, they will have shot themselves in the foot, and will learn quick that they will not be able to stop the bleeding.
I would say to aim for sales numbers right where the Series II left off at.
Smaller owners group will lead to better reliability record. Higher resale value if the car is as solid as we hope it will be. Might even want to give the car the 100k rotary engine warranty across the markets, and not just NA, since its a smaller volume of vehicles.
As for power numbers, I don't really care how much it has.
Would be great if it weighed in around 2600 or less, but that's not a requirement, as long as Mazda keeps making all that weight feel like it disappears as they have been.
And 2015 would be nicer than 2017.
I'm waiting for the Alfa Romeo 4C to hit the sales floor sometime in 2014 already.
When that happens, its between the 4C and the Cayman for my next high end sports car. Having the RX show up in that time frame makes the decision harder, but oh so much better.
BC.
Personally, I do hope it comes in somewhere between $40k and $50k.
That will keep the FR-S/BRZ crowd away from it, and will keep it out of the hands of the low end "I needs a turbo on everything, or I'm not having any fun" crowd for a good while.
Porsche competition is what Mazda should be building.
Forget the Nissan Z, the Toyobaru Twins, the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger.
Tell the motoring world that you're not just trying to "emulate" the best driving cars on the planet (Boxster/Cayman), but that you're better than them.
And the most important thing is to not cut corners on the reliability aspect of the Rotary Engine this time. If they do that again, they will have shot themselves in the foot, and will learn quick that they will not be able to stop the bleeding.
I would say to aim for sales numbers right where the Series II left off at.
Smaller owners group will lead to better reliability record. Higher resale value if the car is as solid as we hope it will be. Might even want to give the car the 100k rotary engine warranty across the markets, and not just NA, since its a smaller volume of vehicles.
As for power numbers, I don't really care how much it has.
Would be great if it weighed in around 2600 or less, but that's not a requirement, as long as Mazda keeps making all that weight feel like it disappears as they have been.
And 2015 would be nicer than 2017.
I'm waiting for the Alfa Romeo 4C to hit the sales floor sometime in 2014 already.
When that happens, its between the 4C and the Cayman for my next high end sports car. Having the RX show up in that time frame makes the decision harder, but oh so much better.
BC.
11-01-2012, 01:58 PM
#86
it won't be built on an MX5 platform. Mazda has a Sports Car Platform. They will build two models from it an R-7 and an MX-5. Calling it the MX-5 Platform is just what journalists do to be lazy or what naysayers do because they think they are getting a shot in. then you take them on a track in a MX-5 for their first time ever and they shut up.
the design phase is probably more people intense, there are thousands of parts in a car.
the point is that building a car is such a huge task that it MUST be a collaboration.
11-01-2012, 03:15 PM
#90
LOL i love DBZ tehe only if Vegeta drove an RX8 lol
Can't wait to see what the design will look like if it has any features like the Shinari concept.
As for price around $50K would be ok only if they include a lot of non standard features. If i am buying a premium car i was everything.
Can't wait to see what the design will look like if it has any features like the Shinari concept.
As for price around $50K would be ok only if they include a lot of non standard features. If i am buying a premium car i was everything.
2 seats, no more than 2 speakers, less airbags is better and no fancy useless features like hill holders etc.
Heck, they should go back to hand operated window glasses in a ClubSport edition.
The only kind of electronics i'd like is a proper electro-hydraulic transmission... but that's not going to cut with a cheap 50k sportscar.
Truth is we all need different things. If Mazda's following Lotus you won't find much inside the car (and that's the way to go if you want a halo car). "We can do what other manufacturers do with 450hp with just 300".
That's the winning approach, otherwise it would just be another failure like the rx8.
11-01-2012, 03:19 PM
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11-01-2012, 03:53 PM
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Yeah well if you think the the 2017 RX-7 will be on par with a 2017 Cayman then I think you are dreaming. The current base Cayman is 265HP and I don't know anyone who owns a Porsche that drives a base model. Every Cayman I have seen at the Porsche dealer (I go fairly often) is the 330HP version S or R. By 2017 the Cayman will probably be in the 375-400HP range.
11-01-2012, 03:58 PM
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I had a professor that was the head of the marketing/advertising campaign for the Porsche 944 in North America. He admitted to us as example that they were beaten soundly by Mazda with the FC RX-7.
The assertion of going head to head with Porsche is anything but far fetched.
Edit: at the time I had that class I was driving an '87 TII. I didn't particularly like the guy so parked next to his Saab whenever possible.
The assertion of going head to head with Porsche is anything but far fetched.
Edit: at the time I had that class I was driving an '87 TII. I didn't particularly like the guy so parked next to his Saab whenever possible.
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11-01-2012, 04:08 PM
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I had a professor that was the head of the marketing/advertising campaign for the Porsche 944 in North America. He admitted to us as example that they were beaten soundly by Mazda with the FC RX-7.
The assertion of going head to head with Porsche is anything but far fetched.
Edit: at the time I had that class I was driving an '87 TII. I didn't particularly like the guy so parked next to his Saab whenever possible.
The assertion of going head to head with Porsche is anything but far fetched.
Edit: at the time I had that class I was driving an '87 TII. I didn't particularly like the guy so parked next to his Saab whenever possible.
Those who can't, teach.Are we really comparing the 80's car market to now? That was the worst decade of cars ever IMO.
11-01-2012, 04:09 PM
#97
The cayman weighs around 1380kg. A sub-1250kg rx7 with 300hp (NA of course, screw turbos) could compete against it fairly easily, even with 75hp less.
All Mazda has to do is keep a good suspension setup and sacrifice some daily comfort.
The only thing Mazda has to keep clear is to avoid too many compromises. You can't have a comfortable car that's really fast and lightweight.
@9k: The f40, 512tr and my prancing horse were all made in the 80s..
All Mazda has to do is keep a good suspension setup and sacrifice some daily comfort.
The only thing Mazda has to keep clear is to avoid too many compromises. You can't have a comfortable car that's really fast and lightweight.
@9k: The f40, 512tr and my prancing horse were all made in the 80s..
11-01-2012, 04:13 PM
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The cayman weighs around 1380kg. A sub-1250kg rx7 with 300hp (NA of course, screw turbos) could compete against it fairly easily, even with 75hp less.
All Mazda has to do is keep a good suspension setup and sacrifice some daily comfort.
The only thing Mazda has to keep clear is to avoid too many compromises. You can't have a comfortable car that's really fast and lightweight.
All Mazda has to do is keep a good suspension setup and sacrifice some daily comfort.
The only thing Mazda has to keep clear is to avoid too many compromises. You can't have a comfortable car that's really fast and lightweight.
11-01-2012, 04:16 PM
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