Yes, it's like comparing two fruit.

different fruits, mind you.

Yeah, that's why many of the guys serious about drag racing their mustang put a Chevy engine in it :rollingla Ford V8s are a joke compared to Chevy V8s, and it has been that way for a looong time.

Yep the Shelby is a bog rip off.

You can do much better with bolt ons.

Or better yet go for a Cobra.

You got 50k?

What a joke, 50k for Cobra, sure..... it's a great car but 50k?

some serious misinformation here...

1st. If you're going to buy an expensive mustang, go ROUSH - you still get the factory warranty, you can order from any ford dealership, and you won't just get engine mods like the shelby GT/GT-H/GT500... you actually get handling bits - Hell, a Roush Stage 3 is eye to eye with a M3 CSL for M3 money.

2nd. The S197 platform (05-present mustangs) is an incredible one, simple mods will liven it up - the mustang always has and always will be a platform to modify, where-as we - with our rotary engines, can only add forced induction for large horsepower gains, things like head swaps, porting, exhaust, chips, etc are netting huge hp gains, where-as we get... next to nothing.

3rd. The mustang appeals to drag-racers for the same reason our cars attract ricers, they have exactly what we want - a mustang owner sees a blank slate with a powerful V8, a stiff chassis, huge fender wells and restrictive exhaust, american badge... and he knows that it will be an ideal car suitable for massive forced induction, an auto swap and giant meats on the back!

4th. svt never died, the staff and product selection was reduced from the bean-counters, I have friend's family who still work there, and they are developing new vehicles (new svt truck is in the works, btw... I guess the new lightning?)

5th. street-racing is stupid, who cares what will win light-to-light, more importantly - if you wanted something fast, why in the hellllllll did you buy an RX-8

and 6th.. probably the most ignorant statement so far:

Purely idiotic.
It's all preference and availability, ford has always made the better engine. More reliable, capable of more power, capable of cheaper power, the 302 is smaller than any engine in the LS-series, weighs less, and is several thousand cheap to buy and make go fast. On top of that, ford is the only american company to put any sort of technology in their engines, Chysler/Dodge and Chevrolet are still putting pushrod engines in their trucks and sports cars... while ford is putting 32V forced-induction, variable intake, variable valve, and variable cam engines in their products.

Want to argue about it? Don't bother unless you can tell me the points of weakness on a LS1.

And just for you,bud...
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5382/rsx3025yw0.jpg
A ford 302 with forced induction in a 1968 camaro.

Why did he do it? Simple, it was a cheaper and more reliable alternative to produce the same amount of horsepower, and because of the 302's physical size, he was able to mount the enginer further back, giving the car better weight distribution.

kthx

Get bent buddy. That's gotta be the dumbest post I've ever read about anything. You have no idea what you're talking about. Many of the guys you claim serious about drag racing do not swap other engines into their cars. You're trying to get into an argument that's been going on since the big 3 started racing back in the old days. You're right about the fords v8's being a joke because the old cobras dinky 4.6 with a blower can walk on a z06 7L with the swap of a pully :icon_no2: . You're so dumb.

stock ford v8's are a joke. they are weak compared to a stock LS1. name an engine from ford that is ALL 4: cheaper, lighter, smaller and more powerful than an LS1. if you do find one, let me know, cause i'd like to put this phantom engine in my ranger.

and a terminator 4.6 walking an LS7? wtf....a cobra has to make at least 580 hp to match the z06's power/weight. one pulley can put a 390 hp to 580? :rock: that's a badass pulley!

A pulley, larger injectors and a tune......definitely possible.....and cheap.

I was unaware there were Ford fanbois in our midst... Yes, the debate has been going on for years and Ford has been getting whooped by those no technology having Chevy V8s for years. :evil_laug This is along the lines of what most of the Ford car guys have said to me when I've asked them why they were running a Chevy or Mopar engine in a Ford car, 'If you want to go fast and spend less money you run a Chevy, if you want to go slower and spend more money you run a Ford V8.

We're not talking about guys out there running 10-12 second 1/4 miles with their modded Stangs and Camaros, we're talking the 6-8 second guys with dedicated drag cars. Go to the top classes and Chrysler dominates...

Take a look at NHRA entry lists for all classes, maybe around 5% of the cars are Ford powered and very rarely does Ford take a class win. Then ask John Force why he doesn't run a Ford Engine is his top fuel FORD MUSTANG.

no way!! Sounds like something to definitely do!


Off topic... debating what mods to do to the car can be quite a pain... well when you have a budget to consider...

I'm sure he's running a completely aftermarket aluminum engine based on the 426 Hemi like the other 99% of funny car racers.

BTW, what year did Chrysler put a 800+ cubic inch V8 with 7,000 hp into their cars & trucks?

The engine for Top Fuel stopped being a Ford, GM and Chrysler product a long while a ago......the aftermarket engine builders now run the show.

You are making some of the most uneducated posts on this entire forum thus far, I'd explain to you why but you probably wouldn't understand :(

In the meantime, here's the rest of us: :lol:

"it adds yuppie value. That's worth 0 in my book"
A posted previously, the value is that Carrols people do the mods. Regardless of your perceived value of your mechanical skills, I'm betting Shelbys folks are pretty good at bolting parts onto Mustangs. That said, like most designer names (cars, clothes, boats, etc), the buyer pays extra for label or nameplate. Sure seems like a boatload of cash for the Shelby nameplate tho.
"American LeMans Series is coming to Detoit"
They put on a great show at Road America last year. I've got my tickets for the August race already. I don't understand why the series is not more popular.

Me either.....I love watching it on tv and I'm sure it's 10X better to watch live. It's not the first Detroit Grand Prix....but Belle Isle was completely overhauled for this seasons race which should make the experience much better than in the past.

My dad went to the Detroit Grand Prix many years ago when they still ran the race in the city. I bet that was awesome to see.

Can't wait for Sept 1.

Uh, right. :rolleyes:

There is no added value to that other than name. They are BOLT ON mods. Shelby didn't make or modify any of them. They are off-the-shelf package parts you can get from Ford Racing and even have your dealer install them. Installing them is something any competant mechanic can do.

Let me guess... You're a former Mustang (maybe current) owner a Ford fanboi. You've spent enough time on your chest puffing "I piss on Chevys" Mustang boards to actually believe they're superior cars with superior engines. Chevy and their V8s have destroyed Ford and their V8s & Mustangs stock for stock and mod for mod for decades. I'm sure I and 90+% of the guys that race in the NHRA in ALL classes are wrong, and you are right :hahano:

riiight
actually, I was a chevy owner, then bought a mustang and found out it's possible to have a car that actually runs... then last weekend I bought an rx8 - cheers!

You're assumptions and stereotyping have ruined any and all of your credibility, next time back up some of your posts with some formative information. Until then, you're doing nothing but pissing on your keyboard with key after key of worthless trolling.

I'm sure you have heard of the "mighty z06" - GM's flagship vehicle, they have put over 40 years into the corvette's development - and it payed off with a 500HP motor in a roughly 3000lb chassis. It's fast, but GM's beancounters found a way of taking a $40,000 car, putting a $14,000 engine in it and marketed it as a $70,000 car - now, keep all this information about 40 years of research and development in mind... now Ford comes out with their flagship, the GT, and pisses all over the bowtie parade with a car that lacks the cheap plastics, the uncomfortable seats, and the clusterfudge that is the 6MT in the Z06 - a car worth every penny.

In addition to that, the new "super corvette" that is coming out took a page from the Ford book and is adding boost - an engine larger than the 427ci LS7, perhaps? Nope - the LS7 is a good engine, but chevrolet has noted that they have reached the limit of displacement bumps and realized that to make more power they were going to have to add something else, supercharging. The modular has been accepting boost in the 2000whp levels since forced induction was introduced to it, it's a sturdy block. On the bowtie field, the 427ci LS7 pays a huge price - it's cylinder walls are so paper-thin that anything considered obtainable by a supercharger is out of the question. They have brought the displacement for the supervette down to 6.2L.

And at a pricetag of roughly $100K, it's still going to contain the same cheap plastics, uncomfortable seats, and general red-neckery of the current z06.

Cheers, bud.

My friend has an 03 cobra, with pulley tune full exhaust, intake, pretty much everything except a new blower, and he got raped by a stock Z06 the other day. it wasnt even close and my friend is a great driver. we had like a 3 car head start and where at about 60mph and that thing cough us and passed us with in 10sec top.

Lol, it wasnt THAT bad. Guy was about 3 cars behind us coming up FAST, so I down shifted and hit it. He has a whopping advantage as he was already moving and in the proper gear, and then passed us (as expected) somewhat slowly.

Moral of the story- Bolt on terminators are quick, but a new z-0h will beat a bpu termy. Now a whipple/kenne bill termy will out do them for sure from a roll, but go from a dig and those delicate halfshafts will take a dump.

Wow, did someone just admit that the Z06 was fast.
lol

This did what to prove anything about Chevy V8s not dominating Ford V8s for decades? Are you really comparing the Ford GT with the Z06 and saying Ford pissed on Chevys parade? Have you looked at the price of the Ford GT, how about the price that they actually sell for? If the best you can come up with is spouting off about how the Ford GT has a better interior and seats compared to a Z06 in a debate about the engines of those respective companies you're a sad sad man. If anyone was pissing on anyone ele parade it was Chevy. Performance wise the Ford GT and C6 Z06 are startlingly close, yet you can buy 2-3 Z06s for the price of one Ford GT.

THIS IS A DEBATE ABOUT WHO MAKES THE BETTER V8, not if the engine in a $70,000 car can handle supercharging as well as a ffi car that costs more than twice as much. There is no Ford V8 that can keep up with an LS engine from the same generation without Ford adding FI.

Would you like a tissue now my litle Ford fanboi?

i must say that they came strikingly close in the mid 90's (96) when ford first came out with the 4.6L DOHC. It was pumpin out 305HP and 300TQ while the chevy's were mearly in the lead with 305HP and 325TQ.

At any rate, the WS6 only ran a 5.5 in the 1/4 and a 14.1@102 while the Cobra ran 5.4 and then 14.0@102.

However, to the credit of chevy, they both were easily put down by the Z28 SS whom came in with 4.9 and then 13.6@106.


Point if any? yea, they were still on top, but as far a recent day goes, that's the closest i've seen to a match-up between the ford and chevy 8's. However, chevy's always charged a price for their premium...in 96, the Z28 rang in at almost $29K, while the cobra followed at $26.6K and then the WS6 $24.6K.

Guess you get what you pay for. and all these stats were from an OLD issue of C&D i had...i'm not just mystical with my numbers :)

In the mid 90s a regular old Z28 could run high 13s with a good driver and the Formula/Trans Am could do the same. By the late 90s the WS6 and SS could run low-mid 13 second 1/4 miles with relative ease. You needed a Cobra just to keep up with the basic Z28 and Trans Am, the regular GT didn't have a chance until F-body production was coming to an end.

Even a 2007 Mustang GT would have one hell of a time keeping up with a SS or WS6 from the 90s.

agreed. Never looked twice at any ford engine less than a 4.6 DOHC.

when it came to fords, their cobra line was my only interest...never cared for their base or GT stangs...dogged WAY too much. Once their SN95 platform bid farewell at the end of 98, i pretty much lost interest in most fords all together. Although the years to followed offered more HP on paper, i was a true believer that their short run from 96-98 was their forte...the closest they ever got to leaving the chevys behind.

While the terminators followed, their HP was brute...but everything else in the car suffered severely, especially the ride and interior build.

I could have cared less about the Cobras prior to the '03-'04. I agree with you about the Terminator, it is a very mediocre car besides being fast (also see Shelby GT and GT500). I considered getting once twice and walked away disappointed each time I checked one out. Other than that I liked the old 90ish LX notchback. But, Fox body Mustangs are just begging for a Chevy smallblock :rofl: