I love these silly debates. These arguments will never end because there will never be complete agreement over which car is better/faster when they are such close competitors. I'm lucky to have each in my household. Both are amazing cars, albeit the RSX-S has a great deal more potential, at least for now. I think it's generally understood that both are quick cars and they're numbers are pretty close. It is my understanding that the RX8 is slightly faster stock. I'm glad both cars are out, raising the bar for each other performace wise to keep making better cars.

 

i'd like to mention that changing the tires on an rsx-s makes a big difference=)

 

Whoever has more stickers.

 

I don't know if you guys keep up with best motoring videos, but there is a race where a Type S leaves the RX-8 behind. It took a little time, but the RX-8 fell back. Now I recognize that there are several other factors involved....but after a few hard laps, I think the 8 falls off due to heat or something. I will try to find a link to the video, but the 8 stuck with then for a while, then it got trounced. The Honda S2K was spanking all of them after a while...

So I agree that by the numbers, and corrected for altitude figures...the 8 might have a slight advantage, but from a track perspective...it couldn't keep up...escpecially in the Heat Races.

 

I've seen that video. There were several other cars on the track and all of them (except the miata) passed up the 8.

It seemed pretty obvious that the driver was the issue when it came to the 8. He was shifting way too early. There's a sequel to that video (revenge battle) where the 8 takes on the S2k alone and wins.

 

I believe that was a type-R, practically a factory track car. No shame in falling to a type-R. (especially when the 8 driver was driving with his head up his ****)

 

It was not driver alone: The 8 was anemic in the straights, and mushy on the turns. The 'revenge' showcased a properly tuned and shoe'd RX-8 against a stock S2K(??)

 

actually it was a mazdaspeed 8 vs a stock s2k.
no engine tuning was done. Just the mazdaspeed suspension, kit, flywheel and exhaust.

EDIT: but if you watch the original video and the shifting of the 8, you'll see that he shifts way too early. It's like he thinks he's drivin a TT FD.

 

I think it was an MS8 that was in the revenge battle...I can understand the driver shifting too early in the first video, but it got lapped by the EVO and STI. LAPPED! The only car on the lead lap was the S2000.

Not that I am wishing I bought something else, I wouldnt trade it for anything short of a Ford GT or a TVR Sagaris, but I would hope that the MS8 would stack up better to an S2000 than in the revenge battle.

 

You are probably right. I know there are 2 that are very similar: the MS RX-8 spec-A (or something) and another one with a Feed tuned RX-8 against a Nissan Z.

 

ive actually been in this kind of match up before. I know 2 people with type s' but one is an 04 and one is 05. Now weird situation with both of them. With both RSX's on a straight away, the Rx-8 takes off a bit quicker, but both eventually pull on our 8 due to the less weight THEY have. The RSX-S is a good match up for the 8 on a straight away, but those cars dont KILL our 8, but in other words they give it a good run. By the time we reach 8k rpm the story changes a bit. On the track is a different story. I believe the Rx-8 will out turn the RSX-S any day, but thats what I just think. One other thing, the RSX-S is just another honda, we have an RX-8! Which one would you rather be seen in?

 

well I have had a run in a few times with a type-s, and if your shifting at 9k, they are not pulling on you? Hell I can break my tires going into third on my car, but it has always pulled nicely stock. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a blow out, in fact the S is quick, and it would be close, but the 8 wins in the straight away unless your grandma is driving it :p

 

That's about right, from a roll the '04 or older should pull on the RX-8 just a touch and the '05 should pull just a bit more. And yes once you consider turns the RX-8 certainly has the advantage.

 

from "real World experience" Ike, the type -s does not pull when the 8 is in the upper RPM range. The type-s that tried to run with me was even a bit modded, and he was not pulling. He got in front of me at a light and thought he would get away once he took off but I was right on his ***.

 

You also say you keep up with G35s... Trap speeds don't lie man and the '05 RSX Type S is consistently trapping higher than any stock RX-8 I've seen, the '04 and older are about the same as the RX-8 with a little egde to the RSX from what I've seen at the strip. It's close enough that the particular car and driver will be the deciding factor though.

 

let's keep this one away from the concept of street racing. you're trading awfully close with this post.

 

trapping higher??




yah ok IKE

 

show me one mag that has the type-s higher than the 8

 

and yes IKE, I have a good friend that has the 2003 G35 S and I have kept up with him from 2nd to 3rd, and the type-s is quick, but not faster........and that's from real world driving

 

Broker, I am going to come through like an ***....but I know you can live with it and you know me better than this; however, I can probably show you more than a dozen timeslips for several RSX-S in different states of tune with traps equal to or radically higher to any trap obtained by any "magazine" or even by our bestest drag-stripper ( :p )PoLak.

Would you like to see?

 

Last one...

 

I don't think anyone is disputing that....but that's beyond the matter at hand at this very moment.

 

Who the Fvck cares guys. This is complete nonsense. These two cars are very close and it's a drivers race end of story. This bickering is getting retarded.

 

The RSX-S has some good HP and since it doesn't have a RWD driveshaft to overcome I would think that it would put more HP to the ground. But all that HP to the front wheels can come at a price of less initial traction from a dead stop.

Also, can someone verify the TQ numbers on the RSx-S vs. the RX8? It's TQ that wins off the line drag and HP that wins trap speeds.