RX8 VS RX7 (1,2,3 Generation)
05-26-2004 | 12:13 AM
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Re: my '85 GSL-SE can't be beat
Originally posted by cptpain
as soon as i can i will post a pic of my '83 drag car that went to Puerto Rico for a Mazda of Japan car show that restricted the cars to only Mazda cars and rotary powered cars. I won 1st class in best motor, execution, highest RPM(widely known as highest acceleration), and best 1st gen RX-7 drag car. the show happened in summer of 2003. that show was a blast
as soon as i can i will post a pic of my '83 drag car that went to Puerto Rico for a Mazda of Japan car show that restricted the cars to only Mazda cars and rotary powered cars. I won 1st class in best motor, execution, highest RPM(widely known as highest acceleration), and best 1st gen RX-7 drag car. the show happened in summer of 2003. that show was a blast
I posted pictures... I'll see if I find them.
05-26-2004 | 12:25 AM
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05-26-2004 | 07:43 PM
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He did say they are modded factory twins--could be 99 specs. I believe if he had Petit or BNR or someone of that ilk work their magic its possible. I would guess that for drag racing he probably is running non sequential as well.
05-27-2004 | 10:54 AM
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M477, I agree with you. I think its possible to push 20 through modded factory twins, but that number is high--I don't think I have ever met someone who has gone that high with a factory set up and with a non-sequential set up I am not sure either. I do know people who push 15 to 16 through unmodified twins.
05-27-2004 | 12:28 PM
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With that set up and those times he is probably running C16 fuel. This is a full out race car and probably not very streetable.
I have a third gen and I drive it to work every day so nanananana.
I have a third gen and I drive it to work every day so nanananana.
06-02-2004 | 10:39 AM
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ok guys heres the deal....neit_jnf: no that wasnt my 1st gen there, i was talking about the show in Quebradilla which happened about a month after the unveiling.....actually m477 i had a local guy here in killeen texas modifly the factory twins for me, i think hes the best in turbos besides petit and bnr, his company is called Majestic Turbo which is in Waco, Texas. and no i dont use the 99's, im using a 2002 "Spirit R" set that a friend of mine who was in Okinawa wrecked and told me i could have the car for a measly 2 grand, and it was pretty much a total loss cause he was rear ended by an 18 wheeler and the cockpit is where the tailights are. he also suffered a broken neck, collar bone, and 12 broken vertabrae, which sucks cause now the doctors say he will never be able to drive again, we'll see about that. anyway, YES i am running sequential setup. i like it cause when im at 2k i get an instant 10lbs and after 4k all the way to the 10,500k shift i have the full 20lbs and i always beat those pesky modded Z06 vettes, vipers and i have beaten 3 modded hayabusas and splattered a stock one.I did get the car finally tuned and after around 30 dyno pulls i netted 585.7 hp 550.3 lb-ft on 93 with 20lbs and 660.3 hp 589.5 lb-ft on C16. my day at the track got me a 9.02 at 152.2 which is an average but my best right now is a 9.008 at 152.8.
Senseny...i have a custom AEM cause i dont have emissions control at all. but i think the AEM for the FD is the best for everything because not only can you tune fuel, and timing but also boost nitrous, rev limits, and the like...its basically a $1,200 race ECU. the PFC is OKAY for light tuning and is good if you have up to 450hp but the AEM is the way to go for more power. the only this is though that i did have shell out an additional $1,800 for a laptop but at least i have a portable way to tune and my buddies can play Half Life going 180mph+ on the highway. now how many people can say they did that!!!! in all seriousness the AEM is a whole world better than PFC
and as for you Gigolo Jason and everyone else....this car that were talking about is my 1st gen that i drive daily. who cares about noise and comfort...i certainly dont... i dont drive long distances but since i was eager to get my car tuned and ready to buzz i drove 1,000 miles away from home and another thousand going back which i accomplished in 4 days. it wasnt comfortable driving at 80mph with a noise level that was as loud as a hair dryer in the next room with the door open but thats what kept me awake for nearly 30hours straight before i got to some place in louisianna where they didnt have 93 cause of a local race event damn them so i stayed over night and was refreshed to find that i was driving 80mph with bald overinflated tires....that scared the crap out of me so thats when i stayed at national tire and battery to wait 4 hours for some cheap $50 per tire, tires so i can get going. anyway i already have a '95 FD that has 400hp and she is very comfortable for a long road trip.
guys my stable consist of 3 1st gens, 2 2nd gens, 2 3rd gens, a wrecked 2002 Spirit R, and a lone 8 who awaits for the MazdaSpeed body parts to be released and sold on to the general public. see ya
PS... my scanner is getting finicky so my pics wont come until maybe the end of the week.
Senseny...i have a custom AEM cause i dont have emissions control at all. but i think the AEM for the FD is the best for everything because not only can you tune fuel, and timing but also boost nitrous, rev limits, and the like...its basically a $1,200 race ECU. the PFC is OKAY for light tuning and is good if you have up to 450hp but the AEM is the way to go for more power. the only this is though that i did have shell out an additional $1,800 for a laptop but at least i have a portable way to tune and my buddies can play Half Life going 180mph+ on the highway. now how many people can say they did that!!!! in all seriousness the AEM is a whole world better than PFC
and as for you Gigolo Jason and everyone else....this car that were talking about is my 1st gen that i drive daily. who cares about noise and comfort...i certainly dont... i dont drive long distances but since i was eager to get my car tuned and ready to buzz i drove 1,000 miles away from home and another thousand going back which i accomplished in 4 days. it wasnt comfortable driving at 80mph with a noise level that was as loud as a hair dryer in the next room with the door open but thats what kept me awake for nearly 30hours straight before i got to some place in louisianna where they didnt have 93 cause of a local race event damn them so i stayed over night and was refreshed to find that i was driving 80mph with bald overinflated tires....that scared the crap out of me so thats when i stayed at national tire and battery to wait 4 hours for some cheap $50 per tire, tires so i can get going. anyway i already have a '95 FD that has 400hp and she is very comfortable for a long road trip.
guys my stable consist of 3 1st gens, 2 2nd gens, 2 3rd gens, a wrecked 2002 Spirit R, and a lone 8 who awaits for the MazdaSpeed body parts to be released and sold on to the general public. see ya
PS... my scanner is getting finicky so my pics wont come until maybe the end of the week.
07-17-2004 | 10:12 AM
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recently i have read a japanese mag or looking through it actually, that greddy is readying their rx8 turbo kit to be in the US. the only thing that i could guess from the pics and ps to hp conversion is that it will give the 8 up to 350hp
07-21-2004 | 02:08 AM
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I've owned each gen. of RX-7 when they were new in their day. So going from what I remember and not a side by side comparison, here are my thoughts:
1st gen RX-7 SA22C: Fast, fun, very nimble, and a great all around sports car for its time. RX-8 certainly beats it on every account, but these are cars of completely different eras.
2nd gen RX-7 FC3S: Seemed bigger and heavier than it needed to be, but still quite quick and fun. The styling seemed to be targeted squarely at the Porsche 944. I believe the Turbo II 2nd gen comes close to the RX-8 in terms of acceleration, but is a tad slower. (0-60 in 6.5 secs vs. 5.9 secs for the RX-8)
I never had any issues with either my 1st gen or 2nd gen, both were very reliable and great cars.
3rd gen RX-7 FD3S: Boy this car was the torrid love affair of my life. A drop dead gorgeous car, but oh so temperamental. Mine was a '93 R-1. The ride was so rock hard that it actually made my back ache on long drives. On the flip side, the handling was nothing short of a race car. In terms of speed, nothing could beat it in stock form, except maybe a Supra Turbo, but then it was really down to driver skill.
But then there were the problems, and the '93 model had the bulk of them. First the recall due to the cooling problems. A few of them had actually caught fire due to the engine heat. The turbos kept going off line and vacuum hoses seem to pop off on a regular basis. The beautiful aluminum body shell seemed to magically dent itself if you even just looked at it the wrong way. And Mazda had introduced a new paint process in '92-'93 that had some problems as well and was very prone to chipping. The interior trim pieces also had problems with the plastic finish that seemed to easily peel off. The car also rattled like crazy. By '94 Mazda had fixed most of the issues, but perhaps it was too late, as by '95 the car was all but extinct in the US. I really wish the '99 on JDM versions with 280 hp had made it to the US, those would have been something to own.
But even with all the problems, I still have fond memories of the FD3S. So much so that I had to have the RX-8.
RX-8 SE3P: I have to agree with Car&Driver, this is the best RX ever. Not in terms of pure performance or styling, that title still belongs to the FD RX-7. But the RX-8 does so many things so well, that its much more than just the sum of its parts. The acceleration is very quick and the handling is outstanding, while at the same time the ride is quite civil by sports car standards. So far, my car has been very reliable without a single problem (knock on wood), very tight and rattle free. The interior design and engineering are a marvel. Sure it's no station wagon, but it's pretty darn practical for a sports car. And the car is just so fun to drive!
The way I look at it, the FD RX-7 was like a beautiful bad girl that was meant to be a fling that you'd never forget. The RX-8 is the girl you take home to meet mom and dad.
1st gen RX-7 SA22C: Fast, fun, very nimble, and a great all around sports car for its time. RX-8 certainly beats it on every account, but these are cars of completely different eras.
2nd gen RX-7 FC3S: Seemed bigger and heavier than it needed to be, but still quite quick and fun. The styling seemed to be targeted squarely at the Porsche 944. I believe the Turbo II 2nd gen comes close to the RX-8 in terms of acceleration, but is a tad slower. (0-60 in 6.5 secs vs. 5.9 secs for the RX-8)
I never had any issues with either my 1st gen or 2nd gen, both were very reliable and great cars.
3rd gen RX-7 FD3S: Boy this car was the torrid love affair of my life. A drop dead gorgeous car, but oh so temperamental. Mine was a '93 R-1. The ride was so rock hard that it actually made my back ache on long drives. On the flip side, the handling was nothing short of a race car. In terms of speed, nothing could beat it in stock form, except maybe a Supra Turbo, but then it was really down to driver skill.
But then there were the problems, and the '93 model had the bulk of them. First the recall due to the cooling problems. A few of them had actually caught fire due to the engine heat. The turbos kept going off line and vacuum hoses seem to pop off on a regular basis. The beautiful aluminum body shell seemed to magically dent itself if you even just looked at it the wrong way. And Mazda had introduced a new paint process in '92-'93 that had some problems as well and was very prone to chipping. The interior trim pieces also had problems with the plastic finish that seemed to easily peel off. The car also rattled like crazy. By '94 Mazda had fixed most of the issues, but perhaps it was too late, as by '95 the car was all but extinct in the US. I really wish the '99 on JDM versions with 280 hp had made it to the US, those would have been something to own.
But even with all the problems, I still have fond memories of the FD3S. So much so that I had to have the RX-8.
RX-8 SE3P: I have to agree with Car&Driver, this is the best RX ever. Not in terms of pure performance or styling, that title still belongs to the FD RX-7. But the RX-8 does so many things so well, that its much more than just the sum of its parts. The acceleration is very quick and the handling is outstanding, while at the same time the ride is quite civil by sports car standards. So far, my car has been very reliable without a single problem (knock on wood), very tight and rattle free. The interior design and engineering are a marvel. Sure it's no station wagon, but it's pretty darn practical for a sports car. And the car is just so fun to drive!
The way I look at it, the FD RX-7 was like a beautiful bad girl that was meant to be a fling that you'd never forget. The RX-8 is the girl you take home to meet mom and dad.
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07-21-2004 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RX-Hachi
The way I look at it, the FD RX-7 was like a beautiful bad girl that was meant to be a fling that you'd never forget. The RX-8 is the girl you take home to meet mom and dad.
07-22-2004 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RX-Hachi
I've owned each gen. of RX-7 when they were new in their day. So going from what I remember and not a side by side comparison, here are my thoughts:
1st gen RX-7 SA22C: Fast, fun, very nimble, and a great all around sports car for its time. RX-8 certainly beats it on every account, but these are cars of completely different eras.
2nd gen RX-7 FC3S: Seemed bigger and heavier than it needed to be, but still quite quick and fun. The styling seemed to be targeted squarely at the Porsche 944. I believe the Turbo II 2nd gen comes close to the RX-8 in terms of acceleration, but is a tad slower. (0-60 in 6.5 secs vs. 5.9 secs for the RX-8)
I never had any issues with either my 1st gen or 2nd gen, both were very reliable and great cars.
3rd gen RX-7 FD3S: Boy this car was the torrid love affair of my life. A drop dead gorgeous car, but oh so temperamental. Mine was a '93 R-1. The ride was so rock hard that it actually made my back ache on long drives. On the flip side, the handling was nothing short of a race car. In terms of speed, nothing could beat it in stock form, except maybe a Supra Turbo, but then it was really down to driver skill.
But then there were the problems, and the '93 model had the bulk of them. First the recall due to the cooling problems. A few of them had actually caught fire due to the engine heat. The turbos kept going off line and vacuum hoses seem to pop off on a regular basis. The beautiful aluminum body shell seemed to magically dent itself if you even just looked at it the wrong way. And Mazda had introduced a new paint process in '92-'93 that had some problems as well and was very prone to chipping. The interior trim pieces also had problems with the plastic finish that seemed to easily peel off. The car also rattled like crazy. By '94 Mazda had fixed most of the issues, but perhaps it was too late, as by '95 the car was all but extinct in the US. I really wish the '99 on JDM versions with 280 hp had made it to the US, those would have been something to own.
But even with all the problems, I still have fond memories of the FD3S. So much so that I had to have the RX-8.
RX-8 SE3P: I have to agree with Car&Driver, this is the best RX ever. Not in terms of pure performance or styling, that title still belongs to the FD RX-7. But the RX-8 does so many things so well, that its much more than just the sum of its parts. The acceleration is very quick and the handling is outstanding, while at the same time the ride is quite civil by sports car standards. So far, my car has been very reliable without a single problem (knock on wood), very tight and rattle free. The interior design and engineering are a marvel. Sure it's no station wagon, but it's pretty darn practical for a sports car. And the car is just so fun to drive!
The way I look at it, the FD RX-7 was like a beautiful bad girl that was meant to be a fling that you'd never forget. The RX-8 is the girl you take home to meet mom and dad.
1st gen RX-7 SA22C: Fast, fun, very nimble, and a great all around sports car for its time. RX-8 certainly beats it on every account, but these are cars of completely different eras.
2nd gen RX-7 FC3S: Seemed bigger and heavier than it needed to be, but still quite quick and fun. The styling seemed to be targeted squarely at the Porsche 944. I believe the Turbo II 2nd gen comes close to the RX-8 in terms of acceleration, but is a tad slower. (0-60 in 6.5 secs vs. 5.9 secs for the RX-8)
I never had any issues with either my 1st gen or 2nd gen, both were very reliable and great cars.
3rd gen RX-7 FD3S: Boy this car was the torrid love affair of my life. A drop dead gorgeous car, but oh so temperamental. Mine was a '93 R-1. The ride was so rock hard that it actually made my back ache on long drives. On the flip side, the handling was nothing short of a race car. In terms of speed, nothing could beat it in stock form, except maybe a Supra Turbo, but then it was really down to driver skill.
But then there were the problems, and the '93 model had the bulk of them. First the recall due to the cooling problems. A few of them had actually caught fire due to the engine heat. The turbos kept going off line and vacuum hoses seem to pop off on a regular basis. The beautiful aluminum body shell seemed to magically dent itself if you even just looked at it the wrong way. And Mazda had introduced a new paint process in '92-'93 that had some problems as well and was very prone to chipping. The interior trim pieces also had problems with the plastic finish that seemed to easily peel off. The car also rattled like crazy. By '94 Mazda had fixed most of the issues, but perhaps it was too late, as by '95 the car was all but extinct in the US. I really wish the '99 on JDM versions with 280 hp had made it to the US, those would have been something to own.
But even with all the problems, I still have fond memories of the FD3S. So much so that I had to have the RX-8.
RX-8 SE3P: I have to agree with Car&Driver, this is the best RX ever. Not in terms of pure performance or styling, that title still belongs to the FD RX-7. But the RX-8 does so many things so well, that its much more than just the sum of its parts. The acceleration is very quick and the handling is outstanding, while at the same time the ride is quite civil by sports car standards. So far, my car has been very reliable without a single problem (knock on wood), very tight and rattle free. The interior design and engineering are a marvel. Sure it's no station wagon, but it's pretty darn practical for a sports car. And the car is just so fun to drive!
The way I look at it, the FD RX-7 was like a beautiful bad girl that was meant to be a fling that you'd never forget. The RX-8 is the girl you take home to meet mom and dad.
09-18-2004 | 01:14 AM
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you guys really wanna hear something crazy....now this is just a rumor that has been floating around parts of Puerto Rico, Orlando FL, Texas, and New York....the next rx7 will either be powered by the same 13B but instead of twin turbo it will be a 300hp single, single turbo 20B at 320hp, or a monster 380hp single turbo 20B code named "Trinity"...when i heard of this "Trinity" motor i went out of my mind the name totally suits the engine in all aspects.
ona another note we need to tell these people out there that the 8 is not a sports car, it is simply a sports "sedan" and i use that term lightly cause it does seat 4, but to those who dont know, looks like a 2 door. in order for a car to be a pure sports car it must have 2 seats or a very cramped +2 like the 4th gen supra or very rare 1st gen 7 2+2.
ona another note we need to tell these people out there that the 8 is not a sports car, it is simply a sports "sedan" and i use that term lightly cause it does seat 4, but to those who dont know, looks like a 2 door. in order for a car to be a pure sports car it must have 2 seats or a very cramped +2 like the 4th gen supra or very rare 1st gen 7 2+2.
09-21-2004 | 12:10 PM
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Experience with 2nd gen, 3rd gen, and RX-8
I drove an '86 2nd gen RX-7 for 7 years, traded for a '93 3rd gen and drove it for 8 years. I've had my 1st gen RX-8 for 2 weeks now.
I love all 3 cars. The 2nd gen was definitely a poor man's Porsche 944 and a real blast to drive. The 3rd gen is all that everyone has said: fast (explosively fast), light, beautiful, and great handling. However, I never developed skill/confidence to truly drive it anywhere near its limits. The unpredictability of power onset (at least to me) kept me from pushing it hard while turning. I believe I drove my wife's Miata better/faster, except in a straight line.
It's early, but I believe I will be able to actually drive my RX-8 substantially quicker, except in a straight line. The power delivery is predictable/linear, as is about everything else. And the engineering is 10 years newer/better.
I look forward to lots of practice in my RX-8, with the DSC/TSC disabled for full control. (See threads elsewhere on how to do this!)
I was without a rotary from 2001-2004; it's great to be back!
I love all 3 cars. The 2nd gen was definitely a poor man's Porsche 944 and a real blast to drive. The 3rd gen is all that everyone has said: fast (explosively fast), light, beautiful, and great handling. However, I never developed skill/confidence to truly drive it anywhere near its limits. The unpredictability of power onset (at least to me) kept me from pushing it hard while turning. I believe I drove my wife's Miata better/faster, except in a straight line.
It's early, but I believe I will be able to actually drive my RX-8 substantially quicker, except in a straight line. The power delivery is predictable/linear, as is about everything else. And the engineering is 10 years newer/better.
I look forward to lots of practice in my RX-8, with the DSC/TSC disabled for full control. (See threads elsewhere on how to do this!)
I was without a rotary from 2001-2004; it's great to be back!
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