Man we have some sensitive noobs here.

 

Couldn't agree more...

I also never said i wouldn't come back to the rotary world. Who knows, maybe the mazda dealer will have a positive answer next time i asked them "what's turbo and 4wd on your lot?"

Sorry guys, subaru was right across the street.

If it were sunny and nice the majority of the year, i'd prefer an rx8 over the sti, for driving pleasure and creature comfort. But that's not the case here. Being imprisoned by 6-8" of snow is not an option for me.
Plus spanking everything on the street has been a real pleasure. Passing without downshifting is also nice.

No upgrades under 10$k would have made the 8 as fast as the sti. Even now, is there a good powerful turbo kit available?

 

There are more SRT4 fans than Rotary

thats the biggest problem ---

- Less people = smaller potential market = lesser chance of making money = less people R&D parts for Rotary.

Every car is good for what they're

STi(or Imprezza/WRX) is good if you need AWD and u wanna go fast easy. but its not a car for those "2f2f" wannabes cuz its not easy to control. like OP said this is probably the reason why a lot of wrecked STi.

Rx-8, on the other hand, handles much better, a much better looking car(IMO), and a great autoX car, its ALSO not a car for 2f2f n00bs cuz they cant handle high revving driving (engine sound scares them) so they always end up at low RPM zone then whine about "Car is not fast"

As for reliability goes, Boxer engine also has their own share of problems, usually gasket leaking problem, just like all other piston engines, probably too much boost making it faster ?

Rotary engine, Mazda screwed a lot of stuff up on 13B-MSP, hopefully the updates they made to the 13B-MSP S2 (2009+) will help. Mind you Rotary engine NA are pretty reliable, 13B-EGI can go 250K miles without any tune ups.

 

I noticed in your sig that you blew your first engine before the 60000mi mark...
so did mine... Good thing i was not the owner of the car anymore.

a tune-up is oil change, plugs, filters.... I really think you ned to change those before the 250000miles mark. IMO

Actually, ring lands are the problems, not the gaskets.

Well, just like anything, push it too far and it fails. Boxer engines fail (new models, anyway) due to a bad tune from the manufacturer... Long story short, subaru gives it's STIs a "poor" tune to pass emissions and be able to sell cars on the american continent. Mine ran for 10000miles on stock tune without issues, then i went stage two. It was like adding a turbo to a non turbo'd car. Impressive viciousness. I got mine tuned at 19psi (it's 14 from the factory), as per tuner recommendations. My injectors are 99% maxed.... Anyways, alot of people cut corners while doing mods, i do the opposite; i go the extra mile to make sure everything is in perfect control.

My dealer has no problems with the mods, wink wink. I told him before I got the sti and no regrets. He actually recommended the tuner i did business with.

The Rx-8 has better handling, hands down!!

 

I feel the exact same way Id love to have a fast AWD subie for winters here. Who knows, maybe the Subaru dealer will have a postive answer next time I asked them "where's the good looking cars on your lot?"

Good powerful turbo kit under $10k considering your only moving 3000lbs:
http://www.mazdaparts.com/ProductDet...000-1187386533

 

My impressions of your impressions:

1. You miss the 8 and can't financially justify coming back to one so you try to gains STI support from RX-8 owners.

2. You don't really know how to drive in the snow. I'm sorry but driving the RX-8 in the snow is easy. One word - Blizzacks

3. True sports cars are RWD end of conversation.

4. The STI look's like a Mazda3 with a hood scoop.....

5. You've modded the car to go faster but you can't make it rev higher and this frustrates you.

6. You're amazed that 2.5L turbo produces (less than) twice the power. How is this feat amazing?

7. You dislike your STI sound system, call me crazy but maybe it's just the annoying sound the STI engine makes. (Yes I test drove one)

Not hating but coming to the RX-8 forum stating your car is simply better and more reliable is going to catch a lot of hate.

Again these are just my opinions and as long as you're happy with your decision who cares what everyone else thinks right? I also own a Saturn Sky over a Z4 - case in point (not sure many would make that decision).

 

funny how their dyno graph doesn't show rpms... and where's the tq curve???

Looks like a great upgrade though. I hope mazda gets their **** together and turbo the rotary from the factory.

 

I don't miss the 8. The STI is alot more car and I like it better. More reliable, more power, awd. Faster than the rx-8 in just about every aspect, if not all.

Financially???? WTF man. The STI costs me 10$ more per month, and is 700$ less to insure than the eight. So yeah, "FINANCIALLY LOL"
It's cheaper for me to drive the STI. Put that in your wallet.

You speak of my driving skills yet know nothing about them. I was driving in the snow with new blizzaks before you even JOINED THIS FORUM. If you think driving an 8 in snow is easy, you havn't driven alot of competent winter cars in your lifetime.

This one is actually funny. Sports exclude snow? haha.
And explain to me why i'm hanging with corvettes on the track while you're adding oil to your engine in the pits...

Really?? Are you sure you thought about #3 before posting ???

Who copied who? hm?


HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA #5 shows that you know nothing about torque. Well... kid... it's okay because you don't know what torque is. You rev your engine to 9000rpm to get about 180whp. I rev mine at 4000 to get 300whp. Do the math, if you are able.

You are totally biased towards your own ego and your sub-conscience blocks your conscience to read the question properly. Go back and read. I am not comparing Liters. I'm comparing GAS CONSUMPTION. Go back and read, cuz i'm pretty sure you didn't hear me the first time.


I've never had a negative commentary about the sound my car makes. I think you are the first one, and it's made in total ignorance as you have never heard my car.

That's in YOUR opinion. There are alot of better cars than the STI. My opinion is that you are a hater. I come here in peace and respect of car enthuasiasts to discuss what was and what is. Remember, i was here long before you.


Good for you.

 

imo running any injector at 99% duty cycle is asking for detonation on pump gas. What was the temp and relative humidity when you got your tune? What if ambient temp drops 20-30* and humidity drops below 50%, your turbo is going to suck alot more cool dense air, without constant monitoring of AF ratio you could knock. Running bigger injectors in my Talon I would only dare approach 95% inj duty cycle @26psi on 104 octane race gas at the track with my logger monitoring knock sensor/AF in real time. For pump 93 I wouldnt run over a 90% inj duty cycle @20psi for fear of not having enough head room to add fuel for weather conditions or bad lower oct gas than advertised, or lower your boost until the next tank. Ive done well with this appproach, the 1st Talon I modded went 150k mi before it was sold and my current Talon has 206k mi, and I never even had to remove the valve cover on either car.

 

Interesting, I was just sharing my opinions. You do not need to attack me personally suggesting that I don't know what torque is etc etc. I am not a kid either thank you. I have a degree in engineering and happen to know a thing or two about physics.

 

The STI came with 3 Throttle modes. I, S and S#

"I" is intelligent. basically a gas saver. That mode is tuned for 91oct now.
S and S# are tuned for 94 oct.

So in winter I'm covered for low temps and humidity. I flick the switch and i'm ready to drive.

Good point though!

 

Well, bring your physics to the track, sir.

That's the thing with physics... They are absolute. Knowing alot of their rules will not change them.

I shut you up pretty quick, as expected.

 

Here's the math:

Your Torque at 4000 rpm producing 300 hp is 393.9 ft-lbs according to your "stats" and mine would be 105 ft-lbs again according to your 180 hp at 9000 rpm "stats".

 

If we were going to drag I would bring the Sky with GM Stage 2 upgrade (650 bucks and it doesn't void the warranty) bringing it to 290 hp 340 ft-lbs of torque. I would probably still lose running a low 13 1/4.

An actual track I would take the 8.


Why does this matter?

 

ok, so correct me if i'm wrong... the STI is making (approximately) 3.75 times the torque of the mazda... at 4000rpms.

 

According to your "stats" yes. I wonder how the engineers at Subaru did it???

 

It actually doesn't. Go race in a kia for all I care.

 

It's not just stats... it's actual real-world data.

My rx-8 dyno'd 175whp to the wheels, with a lousy 137wtq.

Those numbers are PEAK, who knows if i even broke 100wtq at 4krpm.

 

So you going to leave now?

 

Hmm. Im FI and I make good power. Nothing beats effortless power. How did this turn into a STi vs RX8 thread. Who cares. AWD turbo from factory vs RWD NA from factory?? STi=good fun car. RX8=good fun car. There, now close thread. Thanks for stopping by

 

what this your first post?? :

Here is the message that has just been posted:
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No upgrades under 10$k would have made the 8 as fast as the sti. Even now, is there a good powerful turbo kit available?
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You must not see many turbo 8s then. I agree with some of your comments but this one shows ignorance. Not looking for a bitch fest about how superior the STi is over a RX-8 from you but your statement is somewhat wrong and misleading. Granted a FI modified 8 may not be as quick in a drag as a modified STi but your making comments about two different styles of cars. My 8 is FI and done quite nice and I have no problem keeping up with mild modded STi s on a road course. To each his own though.
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In any case, you are right.

If you hang with modded stis i think you are one who understands my points of view.

Of course a well-done turbo'd 8 will follow, if not pass a modded sti on a road course, if a good driver is at the wheel

'sall i'm sayin'!

 

Point is... you switched to a faster ugly POS econobox. Quit trolling and GTFO, Peace.

 

thats good you like your sti i love the look of those.. there are really nice.. ive only been driven in one not behind the wheel..

but what i had that ppl compare and 8 to as far as power is concerned is that if you boost em just like these boosted cars it will eat up these stock..

now if the 8 came boosted stock how do you think the comparison would be now?

 

That's the problem with you man, you're from california. I've mentionned this earlier and ... well... stfu.