Tesla announces pricing and availablity of Model S
03-08-2011, 05:29 PM
#27
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look at other luxary cars within its class
bmw 5 series 45k-62k
Cadillac CTS 35-62k (maybe a little under classed)
MB C-class 40-60k
MB E-class 48k-87k
Lincoln MKS 41k-50k
Lincoln LS 460 66k-74k
And thats just to name a few of the mid level luxury cars, all within the same price range for a new vehicle, and if you start looking at high end luxury cars you are looking at upwards of 100k and beyond.
This Tesla is designed as a luxury with the heart of a roadster in it, being able to still perform
This is considered a higher end luxary car and should be set next to its competitors, I really think you need to reevaluate who would buy this car, and as far as road trips, no it is not designed for that but look at the course of a year and see how often a typical person will drive past 300 miles in a day. Better yet that is the assumption that this will be the only car owned by that person, chances are highly against that looking at the class its in.
bmw 5 series 45k-62k
Cadillac CTS 35-62k (maybe a little under classed)
MB C-class 40-60k
MB E-class 48k-87k
Lincoln MKS 41k-50k
Lincoln LS 460 66k-74k
And thats just to name a few of the mid level luxury cars, all within the same price range for a new vehicle, and if you start looking at high end luxury cars you are looking at upwards of 100k and beyond.
This Tesla is designed as a luxury with the heart of a roadster in it, being able to still perform
This is considered a higher end luxary car and should be set next to its competitors, I really think you need to reevaluate who would buy this car, and as far as road trips, no it is not designed for that but look at the course of a year and see how often a typical person will drive past 300 miles in a day. Better yet that is the assumption that this will be the only car owned by that person, chances are highly against that looking at the class its in.
As far as running out of spark on the road, yes you would be screwed but there are plenty of instances where a gas engine would be screwed (middle of nowhere with no gas, same situation)
03-08-2011, 06:57 PM
#28
The difference being I can get a buddy to bring me a can of gas easily. With the tesla I would have to either be towed or have a buddy with a truck bring me a portable generator with a can of gas to run it for an hour or 2 to get home. I'm not talking the middle of nowhere, you could run out of spark on the highway in town and be screwed.
03-08-2011, 07:00 PM
#29
I'm not saying that it's a bad car. I just don't think it lives up to it's price point for the novelty. It is a pretty car, and I never said that it would lack luxury features. I just stated that I'm sure the said features will be available in comparable $40,000 vehicles.
There will be 40mpg sport luxury cars in the near future if the market warrants it, so to say that it wont happen is a bit over stated.
As for better electricity production in Canada, I am glad someone is doing it, but everyone else has to get on board. All I'm saying is that to say that the car is zero emissions is a complete farce, and gasoline engines can still easily compete due to the global CO2 emissions from electricity production. It will take a mass global change in electricity production to shift "Green" in favor of the electric car.
There will be 40mpg sport luxury cars in the near future if the market warrants it, so to say that it wont happen is a bit over stated.
As for better electricity production in Canada, I am glad someone is doing it, but everyone else has to get on board. All I'm saying is that to say that the car is zero emissions is a complete farce, and gasoline engines can still easily compete due to the global CO2 emissions from electricity production. It will take a mass global change in electricity production to shift "Green" in favor of the electric car.
03-08-2011, 07:42 PM
#30
Don't have a clue? Its all about common sense.
Would someone buy a Helicopter so he/she will never stuck in traffic on their way to work ? (assume he is rich enough and the place he works at has a helicopter roof + his house has a copter field)
sure some of the buyers might tell the reports that "oh, I got this to save the environment." "I don't want to pay for gas"
Yea right ?
03-08-2011, 10:24 PM
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If you charge it each night, that's a lot of driving. Even driving 200 miles is a lot while staying in the city/town. I really don't see that happening unless you're intentionally just driving. I'm guessing there's a gauge to monitor power, so it shouldn't be very difficult to plan around that. Sure it's a inconvenience if it happens, but that's why you just plan so that it doesn't. I'm sure most of these people have roadside assistance anyways. As long as you are well aware of the range limits when you buy the car and during use, it's most likely never going to be an issue.
My whole point is IF IT DID happen it would be much more annoying and time consuming than it happening with a regular car. I am not trying to argue about the frequency or when and on what plot of land and where the sun will be at the time, just a simple point.
03-08-2011, 11:21 PM
#33
you forgot to mention maintainence costs.
Oil changes and tune ups over a life time plus water pump, generator.
AND you don't know the lifetime of the vehicle.
It could be 20yrs. 12 easily perhaps 15.
I think the batteries are only good for 5 to 7 years on electric cars.
Oil changes and tune ups over a life time plus water pump, generator.
AND you don't know the lifetime of the vehicle.
It could be 20yrs. 12 easily perhaps 15.
I think the batteries are only good for 5 to 7 years on electric cars.
03-09-2011, 07:08 AM
#35
I'm not saying that it's a bad car. I just don't think it lives up to it's price point for the novelty. It is a pretty car, and I never said that it would lack luxury features. I just stated that I'm sure the said features will be available in comparable $40,000 vehicles.
There will be 40mpg sport luxury cars in the near future if the market warrants it, so to say that it wont happen is a bit over stated.
As for better electricity production in Canada, I am glad someone is doing it, but everyone else has to get on board. All I'm saying is that to say that the car is zero emissions is a complete farce, and gasoline engines can still easily compete due to the global CO2 emissions from electricity production. It will take a mass global change in electricity production to shift "Green" in favor of the electric car.
There will be 40mpg sport luxury cars in the near future if the market warrants it, so to say that it wont happen is a bit over stated.
As for better electricity production in Canada, I am glad someone is doing it, but everyone else has to get on board. All I'm saying is that to say that the car is zero emissions is a complete farce, and gasoline engines can still easily compete due to the global CO2 emissions from electricity production. It will take a mass global change in electricity production to shift "Green" in favor of the electric car.
03-09-2011, 07:57 AM
#36
Oh and if you really want to consider the production of the means of fuel you need to start running your calculations for the amount of energy that it costs to refine the fuel to the state to were it is usable in or vehicles, next you need to take into account the cost for transportation.
All of this compounded on to of the normal emissions of a vehicle will give you a significantly different figure.so I think your reasoning is somewhat flawed at best
All of this compounded on to of the normal emissions of a vehicle will give you a significantly different figure.so I think your reasoning is somewhat flawed at best
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