Tesla Motors to Build 4 second 0-60 Pure Electric Powered Sports Car
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Originally Posted by lesper4
more pictrues are at www.cnet.com
Mod edit: here's the direct link:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11443_7-6555527-1.html
Mod edit: here's the direct link:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11443_7-6555527-1.html
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Originally Posted by Paul_in_DC
"Mod edit?" Pardon, but I sincerely hope that editing other people's posts isn't a common practice here (with obvious exceptions like deleting vulgarity, ****, etc.)
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBigmeat
Here's something interesting. Their website mentions how the computer manages the batteries and prevents individual cells from exploding and so forth. A123 and the other brand-spanking new batteries just coming out don't have those issues, so I think it's safe to say that these are regular li-ions. And then there's this:
http://wired.com/news/wiredmag/0,714...ory_page_next2
A123 just started releasing their batteries like, 2-3 months ago, in limited quantities to qualified companies. I'd bet dollars to pesos that Tesla Motors already has their first prototype pack on a test bench. Imagine having a 500 mile range. Or, add another motor to the front wheels for AWD and have the same range.![Eyecrazy](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/Eyecrazy.gif)
edit: It looks like Altairnano, one of the manufacturers of next-gen lithiums (along with A123) has just signed a contract to provide $750k worth of batteries to Phoenix Motorcars.
Electric street rods, anyone?
http://wired.com/news/wiredmag/0,714...ory_page_next2
A123 just started releasing their batteries like, 2-3 months ago, in limited quantities to qualified companies. I'd bet dollars to pesos that Tesla Motors already has their first prototype pack on a test bench. Imagine having a 500 mile range. Or, add another motor to the front wheels for AWD and have the same range.
![Eyecrazy](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/Eyecrazy.gif)
edit: It looks like Altairnano, one of the manufacturers of next-gen lithiums (along with A123) has just signed a contract to provide $750k worth of batteries to Phoenix Motorcars.
Electric street rods, anyone?
Yep. Now there's more incentive to invest R&D for battery technology than ever.
Pure electric vehicles are very likely to make hybrids obsolete.
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Originally Posted by RotoRocket
I think it was a helpful edit, to direct attention to the appropriate link.
Either that or they'd call us all witches because of our magic devil boxes we call computers.
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If the founding fathers saw this thread they would be embarrassed at our casual submission to authoritarian censorship of our posts for the sake of clarity.
Either that or they'd call us all witches because of our magic devil boxes we call computers.
Either that or they'd call us all witches because of our magic devil boxes we call computers.
If they saw this thread, they'd all be whining about the fuel efficiency of the rotary.
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Originally Posted by Paul_in_DC
"Mod edit?" Pardon, but I sincerely hope that editing other people's posts isn't a common practice here (with obvious exceptions like deleting vulgarity, ****, etc.)
I see absolutely no reason for them NOT to edit a post? Care to explain any reason why they should not?
Lets see. Someone see's this persons post, clicks the cnet.com link..searches around..finally finds the pictures.
Or...they see this persons post (edited), and find the direct link instead. Time saved = money made = more happy people. Do you want unhappy forum-people?! Ahhh!
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In the article:
"There is no reverse gear; to back up, the engine is just run backwards meaning that, in theory, the car could reach its top speed--130 miles an hour--in reverse. When designing the drivetrain, Tesla commissioned a company that specializes in transmissions for Formula One cars."
HOT DAMN imagine going in reverse at 130 mph lol
"There is no reverse gear; to back up, the engine is just run backwards meaning that, in theory, the car could reach its top speed--130 miles an hour--in reverse. When designing the drivetrain, Tesla commissioned a company that specializes in transmissions for Formula One cars."
HOT DAMN imagine going in reverse at 130 mph lol
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Originally Posted by dtorre
In the article:
"There is no reverse gear; to back up, the engine is just run backwards meaning that, in theory, the car could reach its top speed--130 miles an hour--in reverse. When designing the drivetrain, Tesla commissioned a company that specializes in transmissions for Formula One cars."
HOT DAMN imagine going in reverse at 130 mph lol
"There is no reverse gear; to back up, the engine is just run backwards meaning that, in theory, the car could reach its top speed--130 miles an hour--in reverse. When designing the drivetrain, Tesla commissioned a company that specializes in transmissions for Formula One cars."
HOT DAMN imagine going in reverse at 130 mph lol
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Originally Posted by AdRoCK3217
I see absolutely no reason for them NOT to edit a post? Care to explain any reason why they should not?
Lets see. Someone see's this persons post, clicks the cnet.com link..searches around..finally finds the pictures.
Or...they see this persons post (edited), and find the direct link instead. Time saved = money made = more happy people. Do you want unhappy forum-people?! Ahhh!
Or...they see this persons post (edited), and find the direct link instead. Time saved = money made = more happy people. Do you want unhappy forum-people?! Ahhh!
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Originally Posted by dtorre
In the article:
"There is no reverse gear; to back up, the engine is just run backwards meaning that, in theory, the car could reach its top speed--130 miles an hour--in reverse. When designing the drivetrain, Tesla commissioned a company that specializes in transmissions for Formula One cars."
HOT DAMN imagine going in reverse at 130 mph lol
"There is no reverse gear; to back up, the engine is just run backwards meaning that, in theory, the car could reach its top speed--130 miles an hour--in reverse. When designing the drivetrain, Tesla commissioned a company that specializes in transmissions for Formula One cars."
HOT DAMN imagine going in reverse at 130 mph lol
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Originally Posted by Paul_in_DC
It's definitely an object of lust. Hell, if I just had $40k I wasn't using I'd even go for the Elise (in a heartbeat).
A couple thoughts though...
- It looks like all the weight is in the back - 1,000 lb battery, motor, etc. I wonder if it will have a tendency to oversteer?
- I'm taking a long-ish trip and I stop at a hotel for the night. How does the hotel charge me for electricity to recharge the battery? How do they measure it, or calculate the cost?
- The site lists some impressive specs, but... I didn't see the vehicle's weight mentioned anywhere?
A couple thoughts though...
- It looks like all the weight is in the back - 1,000 lb battery, motor, etc. I wonder if it will have a tendency to oversteer?
- I'm taking a long-ish trip and I stop at a hotel for the night. How does the hotel charge me for electricity to recharge the battery? How do they measure it, or calculate the cost?
- The site lists some impressive specs, but... I didn't see the vehicle's weight mentioned anywhere?
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Wouldn't it be ironic if these guys end up being successful? GM dumped its electric car development and Lotus engineers (Lotus belongs to GM) develop a new electric vehicle.
(Well there's still a big IF).
Btw oversteering could, for instance, be prevented with a monster sway bar in the front and none in the rear.
(Well there's still a big IF).
Btw oversteering could, for instance, be prevented with a monster sway bar in the front and none in the rear.
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Originally Posted by RotoRocket
Yep. Now there's more incentive to invest R&D for battery technology than ever.
Pure electric vehicles are very likely to make hybrids obsolete.
Pure electric vehicles are very likely to make hybrids obsolete.
Once there are lots of hybrids on the roads, some gas station owners will start selling electricity alongside gasoline, because it's cheaper. Once charging stations are as widespread as say, diesel pumps, people will start looking at all-electric vehicles and wondering why they even need to pay an extra $5k for an onboard gas engine they hardly ever use.
I do think batteries will end up making hydrogen cars obsolete though. You only need one good breakthrough for batteries: the batteries themself. For hydrogen you need mass generation and pipelines and tanker trucks and compact storage, and cheap fuel cells. 1 breakthrough which is just over the horizon, or a half dozen breakthroughs which are far off. Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBigmeat
3.5 hours chargup time is not good enough for many people
cant wait to see what happens in the next few years.
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Originally Posted by captain mercury
really? i was impressed when i read this number...
cant wait to see what happens in the next few years.
cant wait to see what happens in the next few years.
The Tesla may not be great for long trips, but it would make a great daily driver. Plus given the fact that new battery technologies are on the horizon, I'd say we're off to a good start.
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Originally Posted by captain mercury
really? i was impressed when i read this number...
cant wait to see what happens in the next few years.
cant wait to see what happens in the next few years.
3.5 hours is pretty good considering the range of the car. Actually the lithium cells are probably capable of absorbing power much faster, but you're limited to how much power your home connection can supply. 70 amps x 220V = 15,400 watts = 20.6 horsepower. Even if we used a 100 amp breaker and used 240V (why is it listed as 220 sometimes and 240 other times? anyone know?), you're looking at 32 horsepower max.
So for just cruising along, a 2500 lb. car like this is using....I dunno, I think I've heard 50 hp for regular cars? So maybe 30 hp for a lightweight car. So for 3 hours of cruising (200~250 miles) you've got 3~4 hours or so chargeup time.
The only way to get around this and have a fast chargup would be to call the power company and get an industrial power connection, 480V or whatever, or to have some kind of megabattery in your garage, charging up at night. Neither one is cheap. I tend to think a battery could win out because:
A) Power companies have excess capacity at night
B) Making more capacity during the day means more power plants and a much beefier power grid
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Dir...edox_Batteries
www.europositron.com
Either way, I really doubt that fast-charging will be an option for home users. It would be reserved for gas stations with the right equipment most likely.
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Anybody else already seeing the day when there's 5 pumps at the local 76..87 octane, 89 octane, 91 octane, diesel and "battery recharge" pump? I'm guessing we'll have to pay between $10 and $20 to recharge a fuel cell once they figure out a way (and they will) to replenish these things in minutes rather than hours.
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Originally Posted by Ajax
As far as editing posts goes, I edit posts whenever there is a need. In the case above, I did it to clarify what the original poster was trying to say, as I clicked his original link and had to go looking to find the article. I saved everyone some time by spending a bit of my own.
Now normally, I don't edit anyone's posts unless it's to do something helpful or because it violates a rule. If I do the former, I always leave the original post intact so you can read it and put a Mod Edit: message at the bottom. That's pretty common practice.
Rule violations are totally different though. If it breaks a rule, and I'm not going to delete the entire post, I'll just remove the sections that breaks a rule unless it means that the post doesn't make sense.
So as far as your questions, yes, edits happen around here, but more often than not, it's to do something that helps our user base not my own personal ego because that needs no help.
Now normally, I don't edit anyone's posts unless it's to do something helpful or because it violates a rule. If I do the former, I always leave the original post intact so you can read it and put a Mod Edit: message at the bottom. That's pretty common practice.
Rule violations are totally different though. If it breaks a rule, and I'm not going to delete the entire post, I'll just remove the sections that breaks a rule unless it means that the post doesn't make sense.
So as far as your questions, yes, edits happen around here, but more often than not, it's to do something that helps our user base not my own personal ego because that needs no help.
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Originally Posted by Steiner
Anybody else already seeing the day when there's 5 pumps at the local 76..87 octane, 89 octane, 91 octane, diesel and "battery recharge" pump?
I'm guessing we'll have to pay between $10 and $20 to recharge a fuel cell once they figure out a way (and they will) to replenish these things in minutes rather than hours.
I could see some forward-thinking hotel owner halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco installing meters for people making the trek between those 2 cities. Or maybe between LA and Las Vegas. Hell, there's probably a couple of them thinking of it already...
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Originally Posted by Steiner
Anybody else already seeing the day when there's 5 pumps at the local 76..87 octane, 89 octane, 91 octane, diesel and "battery recharge" pump?
And after that maybe Methanol: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2004_06/pr2401.htm (The Methanol fuel cell might eventually reach higher power levels as well)
Keep in mind everybody has a a battery operated cell phone but there aren't any 'cell phone recharging stations'. Why would there? There are enough electric outlets elsewhere.
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That's because ordinary 110V outlet current has enough power to charge a cell phone in a few minutes. On the other hand, even a humongous 100 amp charger will not put out enough power to give you much better than 1 hour recharge = 1 hour run time.
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^ I guess you should really ask why we have fuel stations in the first place. It's because most houses are not connected to a gasoline pipeline. But every house is connected to the electric power net.
No gasoline fuel station will have an electric outlet as long as one can provide parking spots with electric outlets. I don't see a reason why not have parking meters with electric outlets. People can charge the car while there in a store shopping or watching a movie or eating a pizza or sleeping or working or fishing or skiing or dancing or jogging or...
The question is how many times do people drive longer than 4 hours at the time? Once a year? (This is really the only time when charging time really matters.)
Besides the US is not the world. In Europe pretty much every house comes with a 380V electric outlet.
No gasoline fuel station will have an electric outlet as long as one can provide parking spots with electric outlets. I don't see a reason why not have parking meters with electric outlets. People can charge the car while there in a store shopping or watching a movie or eating a pizza or sleeping or working or fishing or skiing or dancing or jogging or...
The question is how many times do people drive longer than 4 hours at the time? Once a year? (This is really the only time when charging time really matters.)
Besides the US is not the world. In Europe pretty much every house comes with a 380V electric outlet.
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Yeah, that's a good point about having low-power chargers everywhere. Still, people are lazy and stupid and they will hear stories about how Joe Dumbass went to the mall but forgot to plug in his car and he was stuck for a couple hours and (etc), so they buy a hybrid instead of an electric.
Then again on the other hand...if the price/performance of the new batteries improves as expected, you'll probably see a lot of battery cars around $10k with 10 year warranties. Combine that with gas savings and I think a lot of people would handle the small adjustment in lifestyle necessary to make them work. Especially if you can go to your electric car dealer and rent a generator trailer for your once-a-year road trip.
Then again on the other hand...if the price/performance of the new batteries improves as expected, you'll probably see a lot of battery cars around $10k with 10 year warranties. Combine that with gas savings and I think a lot of people would handle the small adjustment in lifestyle necessary to make them work. Especially if you can go to your electric car dealer and rent a generator trailer for your once-a-year road trip.