Would you buy this Scion?
04-21-2011, 06:50 PM
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It looks great as a concept, but I just have the feeling this has ultra-letdown written all over it...kinda like how Mitsubishi royally messed up the current Eclipse from concept to production.
04-22-2011, 04:31 AM
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I find it surprising how many people will turn away from a product only because of the name on it. Of course it's a lot of speculation, but it's not like the question is whether or not you would pre-order one with the available information now.
If the car performs well for it's price and is at least average on reliability, why should it matter who made the car? Making predictions about how it will turn out is one thing, but it seems kind of silly to completely dismiss the car with the only reason being the fact that it was made by a certain company. A better car is a better car.
If the car performs well for it's price and is at least average on reliability, why should it matter who made the car? Making predictions about how it will turn out is one thing, but it seems kind of silly to completely dismiss the car with the only reason being the fact that it was made by a certain company. A better car is a better car.
04-22-2011, 06:30 AM
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I find it surprising how many people will turn away from a product only because of the name on it. Of course it's a lot of speculation, but it's not like the question is whether or not you would pre-order one with the available information now.
If the car performs well for it's price and is at least average on reliability, why should it matter who made the car? Making predictions about how it will turn out is one thing, but it seems kind of silly to completely dismiss the car with the only reason being the fact that it was made by a certain company. A better car is a better car.
If the car performs well for it's price and is at least average on reliability, why should it matter who made the car? Making predictions about how it will turn out is one thing, but it seems kind of silly to completely dismiss the car with the only reason being the fact that it was made by a certain company. A better car is a better car.
04-22-2011, 06:52 AM
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the 2.0 STi boxer is better than the 2.5 version available in europe and the us.
It looks nice but will subaru produce a faster car than the STi? It would be a shame to have a so fast looking car in a lower vehicle range.
It looks nice but will subaru produce a faster car than the STi? It would be a shame to have a so fast looking car in a lower vehicle range.
04-22-2011, 07:41 AM
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I find it surprising how many people will turn away from a product only because of the name on it. Of course it's a lot of speculation, but it's not like the question is whether or not you would pre-order one with the available information now.
If the car performs well for it's price and is at least average on reliability, why should it matter who made the car? Making predictions about how it will turn out is one thing, but it seems kind of silly to completely dismiss the car with the only reason being the fact that it was made by a certain company. A better car is a better car.
If the car performs well for it's price and is at least average on reliability, why should it matter who made the car? Making predictions about how it will turn out is one thing, but it seems kind of silly to completely dismiss the car with the only reason being the fact that it was made by a certain company. A better car is a better car.
If they release LFA with Scion's badge for the same price as Lexus version. would you buy it ?
or Old Navy release a LV-like bag with even better material than LV. no one would buy it even at 1/2 of a typical LV bag's price.
I know I won't
you see lots of people have no problem buying the subbie version (including me).
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04-22-2011, 04:42 PM
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I'll buy one of the variants. Just waiting to see all production models from Toyota, Scion and Subaru before I make up my mind.
I am also hoping that we have some news on the next RX before I do make my next purchase in 2012.
I am also hoping that we have some news on the next RX before I do make my next purchase in 2012.
04-22-2011, 06:02 PM
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If it makes it through to production looking like that it would possibly be the best looking car on the market (IMO). I'd definitely be interested in a reasonably priced two seater at some point in the future (say 5 years down the line). 200hp isn't a lot, but given the Subaru origins of the engine a turbo option has to be under consideration.
04-22-2011, 06:46 PM
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04-22-2011, 09:16 PM
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because most people will not pay $$$ to buy that Scion Badge.
If they release LFA with Scion's badge for the same price as Lexus version. would you buy it ?
or Old Navy release a LV-like bag with even better material than LV. no one would buy it even at 1/2 of a typical LV bag's price.
I know I won't
you see lots of people have no problem buying the subbie version (including me).
If they release LFA with Scion's badge for the same price as Lexus version. would you buy it ?
or Old Navy release a LV-like bag with even better material than LV. no one would buy it even at 1/2 of a typical LV bag's price.
I know I won't
you see lots of people have no problem buying the subbie version (including me).
The only reason it should matter is as a sign of status, and that's something I don't care about a whole lot. The same exact car with a different name really doesn't change my decision process a whole lot. If I'm spending thousands of dollars on something, I'd prefer to just deal with debading or rebadging to suit my tastes rather than just completely not purchase the product, assuming it fits my needs/wants better.
Keep in mind, the discussions so far have basically said that because of the name alone, they would not purchase the vehicle. It doesn't make a comparison to other vehicles of similar value or anything. I could understand being influenced by brand preference in a reasonably close comparison, but to dismiss a car, regardless of the quality, because of the brand name is kind of stupid, in my opinion.
LV, at least in my perception, is a status symbol. I believe the reason LV bags are sought after is more driven by the status of the product name rather than the quality or other merits of the bag. The pricing on those seem to be artificially high if you only look at the actual merits of the bag, ignoring the name. Being a status symbol product, you do not get that value out of an Old Navy bag, therefore the product is not on an equal level.
If you are unwilling to buy a better car because it is a certain brand, then that also indicates that you are willing to buy a shittier car, because it's some other brand. I try to make the most of my money, with as little regard to brand name as possible. It's definitely true that some brands will produce better or worse products than others, but there are exceptions to many brands. Optimally, brand should not be a factor. A better product is better. An equal product is equal. A worse product is worse. The brand name on any of those will not change the actual quality of a product.
If the subbie version is better when you consider all the factors, such as price, performance, and quality, then you've made the correct decision. If the subbie is equal, then you've gone with brand preference, and there's nothing wrong with that. If the subbie is a worse car (by a level of significance), then you've made the wrong decision, but ended up with the brand of your choice. It's fine that you're happy with your brand, I'd rather be happy with my better car.
As a marketing decision, it's hard to tell at this point. That will depend a lot on price point and actual production details of the car. It's a bit early to make that call I think.
04-22-2011, 09:29 PM
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It's a Cavalier
I've also read all your posts about being anti-Scion, nycgps.
You reminded of article about the odd variance in brand perception for Scion in the US. I tried to find it, but I couldn't. Basically, using sales numbers, the farther north/north east you go in the US and into Canada, the less popular they are.
In Texas, they're not selling amazingly well, but there's not this ridiculous stigma attached them, either. Nobody cares. It's just another car called a Scion, and we accept where it fits in the compact/youth brand market.
Where is this "brand hatred" coming from in New York? I don't understand it. It's weird.
You reminded of article about the odd variance in brand perception for Scion in the US. I tried to find it, but I couldn't. Basically, using sales numbers, the farther north/north east you go in the US and into Canada, the less popular they are.
In Texas, they're not selling amazingly well, but there's not this ridiculous stigma attached them, either. Nobody cares. It's just another car called a Scion, and we accept where it fits in the compact/youth brand market.
Where is this "brand hatred" coming from in New York? I don't understand it. It's weird.
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04-22-2011, 09:43 PM
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This non sense reminds me of that movie armageddon. Every car company uses a lot of the same manufacturing companies to build parts. Hell even a lot of major brands are built side by side and then just retagged with little to no difference. The body on that car is nice, and if the engine performs well scion or not that car is hot.
Take a look at your car key and everyones around you. Take a look at stock GPS systems, radios, wheels, brakes, sensors. It all comes from just about the same places. All cars share parts found in almost all other cars.
Take a look at your car key and everyones around you. Take a look at stock GPS systems, radios, wheels, brakes, sensors. It all comes from just about the same places. All cars share parts found in almost all other cars.
04-22-2011, 09:47 PM
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It's a Cavalier
Videos... they all say the same thing. It sure is a good looking car.
R&T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25fF66oB-4kC&D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBtMVpzSmvUMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQSTFanLygE
04-22-2011, 09:51 PM
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I must say I will not buy it if it's labeled a Scion. The brand itself has become a staple for the younger drivers out here, especially in Southern California. I could foresee them being as populated and common as the G35s around here, except mostly by younger drivers.
I'm sure many people on this board, picked up the rx8 because of its uniqueness and rarity. I did 4 years ago, and i still barely see them while driving around even today.
I'm sure many people on this board, picked up the rx8 because of its uniqueness and rarity. I did 4 years ago, and i still barely see them while driving around even today.