WRX STi = Wow!
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Nonsense, I can trade in my car right now for 4k less than I paid over 2 years ago, seems pretty good to me. The fact that there are tons of RX-8s sitting on lots and being sold at invoice doesn't seem to bode well, especially for those that bought the car at release. Also, in the long run I think the fact that the RX-8 has a rotary will not help its resale.
Last edited by VikingDJ; 09-18-2004 at 01:09 AM.
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Out of curiosity I did some searching on autotrader to see how many of the various cars were for sale and what the asking price was... I didn't get very far with my research before I came across this. Could someone loan me 35k and some googone? It's 2 miles from my house, I may go look at it tomorrow if the guy seems willing to deal heavily. I realize this car was not available in North America and is somewhat rare, but now you can buy a new RS here. We'll see how the phonecall goes.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...lor=&cardist=2
Edit: Bah, financing on that car would be impossible, oh well...
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...lor=&cardist=2
Edit: Bah, financing on that car would be impossible, oh well...
Last edited by IkeWRX; 09-18-2004 at 01:41 AM.
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The prices on autotrader are a joke. I bought my 04 STI for $29500, and could have gotten an 05 for $30100 (800 below invoice). The prices on autotrader are full msrp or over on new cars, and full retail selling value on used cars. I guess they do that hoping some idiot will take it without haggling. if I were to trade in my STi right now, only being a month old with only 1500 mils on it, I'll get about 25k for it. I would have gotten about 26500 for my RX8 at the time I bought the STI. All those add ons I got for the RX8 were essentislly meaningless. People can buy a new STI for well below invoice, and the 04 RX8s, are selling for 1k-1500 below easily. Buyers of the regular impreza RS and the WRX don't have to suffer the damage like the STi owners must endure. The 7k more you roughyly pay for upgrades on STI compared to regular WRX unfortunately become virtually wiped out after 1-2 years of ownership. the same goes for EVO. If you want to retain a better depreciation value, you buy the WRX. The STI is a terrible investment for those who trade in cars every 4 years, and the RX8 is same way if you upgrade with all the packages.
#29
IMO, the STI and EVO is more "car" than the RX8 simply because of their all round durability and drivability. They of course, have prices to match so I wouldn't really put them in the same category as the RX8.
Moving on, between the STI and EVO, I would take the STI because its a more livable car than the EVO. The EVO seems to be the car for the extremists (ie. true enthusiasts who would actually utilitise its full abilities), just like what the S2000 is to a certain group of people. Out of the box, the EVO is a better track car by far, get it if you are a real track enthusiast.
Moving on, between the STI and EVO, I would take the STI because its a more livable car than the EVO. The EVO seems to be the car for the extremists (ie. true enthusiasts who would actually utilitise its full abilities), just like what the S2000 is to a certain group of people. Out of the box, the EVO is a better track car by far, get it if you are a real track enthusiast.
#30
Mitsubishi is a good company with some bad luck in recent years.
The intense competition in Japan doesn't help at all. The EVO is argueably their best car and has been doing well in rallies. Me think that its only a matter of time before the EVO finally cater a better design to match its performance. Remember, you can soften hard lines and edges of a square car to make it look better, but you can't do so much to a roundish car.
The intense competition in Japan doesn't help at all. The EVO is argueably their best car and has been doing well in rallies. Me think that its only a matter of time before the EVO finally cater a better design to match its performance. Remember, you can soften hard lines and edges of a square car to make it look better, but you can't do so much to a roundish car.
#31
Originally Posted by Shiri
IMO, the STI and EVO is more "car" than the RX8 simply because of their all round durability and drivability
#32
Originally Posted by VikingDJ
I respect your opinion, but it makes absolutely no sense. Mitsubishi has never built a durable, long lasting, turbo car, which is why their lineup or cars are not turbocharged anymore. The EVO has yet to prove anything as far as durability. As for drivability, the EVO is probably the most unfriendly, unforgiving, uncomfortable daily driver car you can buy. The STI was built to give you better drivability on daily basis, which is why it lacks in performance compared to EVO. Owning both RX8 and STI, I can tell you the STI is the least forgiving of the two to use on daily basis. You feel every single bump, and you bounce around like a go cart without suspension. They all say the EVO is even worse, so I can only imagine. There's a compromise between high performance and luxury, so it depends which one you care more or less about when deciding.
I would say that the EVO appears more fragile than the STi because its fitted with more technology (it has a much smarter AWD system than the STi), thus, the car feels more planted to the road. I'm guessing that the AWD system in the EVO is heavier than that of the STi.
This is the 8th version of EVO already, and it is as reliable as it can be for the kind of car that it is.
Mitsubishi should really try to produce a 2 seater 2 door EVO instead of the usual 4 door EVO because having 4 doors/seats is no longer applicable in rally/track racing. It should save a lot of weight and maybe produce a much tighter car that's less reliant on the AWD system and more focused on the natural makeup of a racing car (ie. more realistic weight - lighter is better - ala Elise, better weight distribution).
Subaru has the Forrester, Impreza and Legacy, all 4 door 4-5 seater cars. Streamlining the Impreza into an AWD coupe would help create a market in demand.
I am in no way defending Mitsubishi, but they can build good quality and reliable cars (mostly 4 cylinder bangers). In terms of capturing a cliche market, they are doing much better with the EVO than say an S2000.
P.S. sorry for the blabbering.
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Originally Posted by Shiri
Not sure if they make the EVO for the US market any different, but in case you've forgotten we're not talking about luxury cruisers here, these are real sports cars meant for a different application (semi to fully offroad driving).
I would say that the EVO appears more fragile than the STi because its fitted with more technology (it has a much smarter AWD system than the STi), thus, the car feels more planted to the road.
I would say that the EVO appears more fragile than the STi because its fitted with more technology (it has a much smarter AWD system than the STi), thus, the car feels more planted to the road.
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