ZR1 makes second lap at the Ring, shaves 4 seconds off time
#51
Yes, but they are saying that your warranty will be void not your insurance coverage. Would anyone be happy with mazda saying the same if we turn off our TC? I'm not the most car savy person but aren't there times when you want to turn of TC? Like for instance, when you get stuck in the snow? So if I get my (I wish) GTR stuck in the snow and I turn VDC off and they find out, my warranty is gone? Am I correct in my assumption? That makes no sence. They can show misuse and abuse in many other ways, this whole VDC thing is just to extreme.
Edit: Just found this "Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual)." How would they know you weren't stuck in snow or mud?
Edit: Just found this "Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual)." How would they know you weren't stuck in snow or mud?
#52
There is this fishy story. I think it isn't true.
http://jalopnik.com/5061221/gt+r-own...under-warranty
I think Nissan is just scared of gaining a bad rep from people beating the hell out of their cars and breaking them.
The one good thing about vette's though is that they can take a beating. I watched a guy when the Z06 first came out do roughly 30 runs at the drag strip. He was hot lapping for about 10 of them in a row at one point.
http://jalopnik.com/5061221/gt+r-own...under-warranty
I think Nissan is just scared of gaining a bad rep from people beating the hell out of their cars and breaking them.
The one good thing about vette's though is that they can take a beating. I watched a guy when the Z06 first came out do roughly 30 runs at the drag strip. He was hot lapping for about 10 of them in a row at one point.
#53
I can't believe that the vette is only .3 seconds off of the Viper ACR time considering the Viper is a purpose built street/race car.
There is no lip that needs to attached/detached every time you head to the track on the Corvette.
There is no lip that needs to attached/detached every time you head to the track on the Corvette.
#54
My C5 Corvette does real well, very driveable. Stock they produce 350hp and 350 lb. ft. trq. I have a bit more with Borla catback exhaust and K&N FIPK2 intake. The great thing about both C5 and C6 Corvettes(models with the LS3)is that they are not burdened with a gas guzzler tax!!! My last trip I got 28mpg!!!
#56
No, it doesn't void the warranty. The warranty never covered it.
The warranty specifically excludes damage caused by driving the car with the VDC off in more than stuck in mud/snow situations. The owners manual specifically says, that the only time you can turn the VDC off is if you are stuck in poor traction conditions, and that you will not be covered if you drive the car in normal conditions with it off.
So all the fanbois and speedfreak owners that had to prove the car can do a under 4 second 0-60, that turn VDC off (which forces the Launch Control Easter Egg on) simply do not have warranty coverage if they break something while doing that.
Remember that car has a black box that records the last 48 hours or so of operation. When the dealer plugs it in, they can easily see what the owner has been doing.
The warranty specifically excludes damage caused by driving the car with the VDC off in more than stuck in mud/snow situations. The owners manual specifically says, that the only time you can turn the VDC off is if you are stuck in poor traction conditions, and that you will not be covered if you drive the car in normal conditions with it off.
So all the fanbois and speedfreak owners that had to prove the car can do a under 4 second 0-60, that turn VDC off (which forces the Launch Control Easter Egg on) simply do not have warranty coverage if they break something while doing that.
Remember that car has a black box that records the last 48 hours or so of operation. When the dealer plugs it in, they can easily see what the owner has been doing.
#59
Hardly worth a page when half of them were just clueless dealers that replaced engines instead of fixing the real problems.
#60
yay youre back. My friend who has a GT-R turned it off and launched it several times, and the dealership assured him he did not void his warranty. Its only voided if they find "signs of miss use and abuse." What does that mean? I dont knowm but turning it off certainly does not void the warranty. . Nissan is pulling a stupid move, and deserve the negative pub for it.
#61
yay youre back. My friend who has a GT-R turned it off and launched it several times, and the dealership assured him he did not void his warranty. Its only voided if they find "signs of miss use and abuse." What does that mean? I dont knowm but turning it off certainly does not void the warranty. . Nissan is pulling a stupid move, and deserve the negative pub for it.
I suppose you would think it does. But they don't. I sure would not trust any dealer to actually tell the truth on a use issue. Service departments make money on fixing broken cars, not on warranty issues.
If your "friend" really has a GT-R then you can look under what is not covered under warranty yourself (in his owners manual) and find the statement "Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow".
Either way, again it is not a warranty issue. It is an issue of the warranty not covering specific use, not of voiding a warranty. I guess you don't get how many times I have said that so I will say it again... It is an issue of the warranty not covering specific use, not of voiding a warranty.
A warranty can't be voided on something that it specifically does not cover. So (again) no voided warranty.
Last edited by Icemark; 10-31-2008 at 12:46 AM.
#63
Goes to show that Chevy actually built a car that allows you to post the same numbers without worrying about voiding the warranty. Next Nissan will put Nos in the 370Z and claim some crazy numbers then tell you that if you use it you lose it If the GTR ran the ring with the VDC turned off, I think that time should be stricken, and force them to run the ring with it on, then use that # as the official record. The GTR is starting to look like a poser. Though a poser I would love to have.
#64
#66
Yeah, like the dealer really has anything to do with a warranty on any car.
I suppose you would think it does. But they don't. I sure would not trust any dealer to actually tell the truth on a use issue. Service departments make money on fixing broken cars, not on warranty issues.
If your "friend" really has a GT-R then you can look under what is not covered under warranty yourself (in his owners manual) and find the statement "Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow".
Either way, again it is not a warranty issue. It is an issue of the warranty not covering specific use, not of voiding a warranty. I guess you don't get how many times I have said that so I will say it again... It is an issue of the warranty not covering specific use, not of voiding a warranty.
A warranty can't be voided on something that it specifically does not cover. So (again) no voided warranty.
I suppose you would think it does. But they don't. I sure would not trust any dealer to actually tell the truth on a use issue. Service departments make money on fixing broken cars, not on warranty issues.
If your "friend" really has a GT-R then you can look under what is not covered under warranty yourself (in his owners manual) and find the statement "Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow".
Either way, again it is not a warranty issue. It is an issue of the warranty not covering specific use, not of voiding a warranty. I guess you don't get how many times I have said that so I will say it again... It is an issue of the warranty not covering specific use, not of voiding a warranty.
A warranty can't be voided on something that it specifically does not cover. So (again) no voided warranty.
see people can actually agree with you when you are not lying and pulling things out of your *** :p
#67
Just another example of narrow-minded people with the "bigger is better" mentality. There are multiple reasons why the GT-R is so much more car than the ZR-1. i.e. advanced computer systems, 4 seats, "snow" mode for winter drivability, LOWER PRICE etc. etc.
Domestic Muscle has always needed size for power...imports on the other hand do it with technology.
Not to mention youre comparing the GT-R to the ZR-1....just wait till the GT-R V-SPEC comes out...330 lbs lighter with 70 more horses...now THAT will be a better comparison.
Domestic Muscle has always needed size for power...imports on the other hand do it with technology.
Not to mention youre comparing the GT-R to the ZR-1....just wait till the GT-R V-SPEC comes out...330 lbs lighter with 70 more horses...now THAT will be a better comparison.
#68
^^^ the ZR-1 IS better than the GT-R overall. Dosnt take anything away from it loosing to a fine car like the ZR-1
is there any shame in that?? lol? the GT-R is still kicking *** in its class, we are talking about the z06 and 911 turbo.
there will certainly be more comparisons when the Vspec comes out. I'm pretty sure Nissan is hard at work with the ZR-1 and many other high end cars in its crosshair right now. And thats what makes it great because everyones competing, no one is king of the hill forever.
is there any shame in that?? lol? the GT-R is still kicking *** in its class, we are talking about the z06 and 911 turbo.
there will certainly be more comparisons when the Vspec comes out. I'm pretty sure Nissan is hard at work with the ZR-1 and many other high end cars in its crosshair right now. And thats what makes it great because everyones competing, no one is king of the hill forever.
#69
^^^ the ZR-1 IS better than the GT-R overall. Dosnt take anything away from it loosing to a fine car like the ZR-1
is there any shame in that?? lol? the GT-R is still kicking *** in its class, we are talking about the z06 and 911 turbo.
there will certainly be more comparisons when the Vspec comes out. I'm pretty sure Nissan is hard at work with the ZR-1 and many other high end cars in its crosshair right now. And thats what makes it great because everyones competing, no one is king of the hill forever.
is there any shame in that?? lol? the GT-R is still kicking *** in its class, we are talking about the z06 and 911 turbo.
there will certainly be more comparisons when the Vspec comes out. I'm pretty sure Nissan is hard at work with the ZR-1 and many other high end cars in its crosshair right now. And thats what makes it great because everyones competing, no one is king of the hill forever.
The V-Spec will definitely be interesting to compare!
#70
Put a driver in each of the cars and accelerate form a stand still up to say 175 mph with some heart monitoring equipment attached and most likely the ZR1 driver will register way more excited.
GT-R you would have for a daily driver, ZR1 would be your nice weather/weekend car.
Last edited by JRichter; 10-31-2008 at 10:04 AM.
#71
I certainly agree, i am speaking of overall performance the ZR-1 is better than the GT-R. the GT-R after all does provide a lot of value in its back seat and awd tracktion during snow and rainy days that makes the vette impractical. Its a car that you can use as a daily driver and go kick *** at the track. 99% of people spends 99% of the times driving on the road, not on the track and have no business turning off the VDC to begin with. still, dosnt make what nissan is doing right.
#74
nissan is just more blunt about it, take your rx8 to the track and run 50 laps and do 6000 rpm launches all day until the tranny breaks, then goto mazda and see if they will replace it under warranty
#75
Cuz the truth is, under normal driving condition you DO NOT NEED to turn VDC off. and Nissan clearly saids that if u turn VDC off and break something. u're on ur own. I think that's very reasonable.
Try to take your 8 out and do 9K clutch drop for 50 times and tow it to your Mazda dealer and fix it under warranty.