ZR1 vs GT2 vs 599 vs GT-R
10-27-2008, 12:58 PM
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ZR1 vs GT2 vs 599 vs GT-R
Glad to see GM stepping up to the plate. I just hope their around long enough to sell a few of these 
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ds_winner.html
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10-27-2008, 01:26 PM
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a moment later came yet another ominous crackle over the radios. "I have lost a tire," said Theys, stoic as ever. "And some bodywork."
When the GT-R limped into the pits, the damage was shocking. The left-rear Bridgestone had delaminated catastrophically at more than 180 mph, completely shedding its tread and blowing out the rear bodywork as if it'd been hit by a mortar shell.
When the GT-R limped into the pits, the damage was shocking. The left-rear Bridgestone had delaminated catastrophically at more than 180 mph, completely shedding its tread and blowing out the rear bodywork as if it'd been hit by a mortar shell.
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Awesome read. If I blew a tire at those speeds I would probably be done testing for the day. That's crazy. BTW, how much is it to rent a 599 for the weekend?
10-27-2008, 07:05 PM
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Just because they can pull similar 0-60 or what have you doesn't mean a GTR or a Corvette are in the same league as the Ferrari.
If I am even in the market of a 599, those other cars are not even in the play list.
I might consider a Koenisegg, Zonda or a Carrera GT.
If I am even in the market of a 599, those other cars are not even in the play list.
I might consider a Koenisegg, Zonda or a Carrera GT.
10-27-2008, 07:48 PM
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Welcome to the internet where the bitching, moaning and mobs overwhelm the truth.
For the record, I don't care for the GTR, I would not buy one,so don't try pulling the GTR fanboy argument.
10-28-2008, 01:47 PM
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Well, Well, Well... the cat is out of the bag.... all i got to say to the Diehard GT-R fans....told you so. I knew hands down the ZR-1 was going to beat the GT-R, the Porsche,etc. I give Kudos to the Gt-R for for sticking in there, i mean those numbers that it posted weren't to shabby for a car only producuing "480HP" although we know its really pushing close to 500-510 range . Perhaps the V-Spec GT-R will pick up were the GT-R left off and really show the world what it can do.... or maybe not.
Now the ZR-1 , wow, simply wow...Hats off for another superb Vette Chevy, even if the interior is cheezy and such.
I knew hands down the ZR-1 was going to beat the GT-R, the Porsche,etc. I give Kudos to the Gt-R for for sticking in there, i mean those numbers that it posted weren't to shabby for a car only producuing "480HP" although we know its really pushing close to 500-510 range . Perhaps the V-Spec GT-R will pick up were the GT-R left off and really show the world what it can do.... or maybe not. Now the ZR-1 , wow, simply wow...Hats off for another superb Vette Chevy, even if the interior is cheezy and such.
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Well, Well, Well... the cat is out of the bag.... all i got to say to the Diehard GT-R fans....told you so. I knew hands down the ZR-1 was going to beat the GT-R, the Porsche,etc. I give Kudos to the Gt-R for for sticking in there, i mean those numbers that it posted weren't to shabby for a car only producuing "480HP" although we know its really pushing close to 500-510 range . Perhaps the V-Spec GT-R will pick up were the GT-R left off and really show the world what it can do.... or maybe not.
Now the ZR-1 , wow, simply wow...Hats off for another superb Vette Chevy, even if the interior is cheezy and such.
I knew hands down the ZR-1 was going to beat the GT-R, the Porsche,etc. I give Kudos to the Gt-R for for sticking in there, i mean those numbers that it posted weren't to shabby for a car only producuing "480HP" although we know its really pushing close to 500-510 range . Perhaps the V-Spec GT-R will pick up were the GT-R left off and really show the world what it can do.... or maybe not. Now the ZR-1 , wow, simply wow...Hats off for another superb Vette Chevy, even if the interior is cheezy and such.
The GT-R is out classed here as it should be, its in the 911 Turbo, Z06 performance class. This is a different league. 9 out of 10 reviews are very positive on the GT-R's handling though, so unless a lot more negative comments regarding handling comes out, this is an aberration.
props to the ZR-1 because its a beast, Id take any of the other 3 cars over a GT-R if price is not a factor. with the 599 being my favorite
10-29-2008, 06:00 AM
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nice article and I enjoyed reading the whole thing. But Im not sure what this cat is out of the bag comment is about?
The GT-R is out classed here as it should be, its in the 911 Turbo, Z06 performance class. This is a different league. 9 out of 10 reviews are very positive on the GT-R's handling though, so unless a lot more negative comments regarding handling comes out, this is an aberration.
props to the ZR-1 because its a beast, Id take any of the other 3 cars over a GT-R if price is not a factor. with the 599 being my favorite
The GT-R is out classed here as it should be, its in the 911 Turbo, Z06 performance class. This is a different league. 9 out of 10 reviews are very positive on the GT-R's handling though, so unless a lot more negative comments regarding handling comes out, this is an aberration.
props to the ZR-1 because its a beast, Id take any of the other 3 cars over a GT-R if price is not a factor. with the 599 being my favorite
So now the GTR is outclassed? When it first came out the GTR kept up and beat the GT2, the Zonda and other true supercars around a high speed track like the Nurburgring. This brings up the question of whether the Nurburgring GTR was truly a Nissan provided ringer - as concluded by Steve Sutcliffe, Alain Prost, Porsche etc.
10-29-2008, 06:42 AM
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So now the GTR is outclassed? When it first came out the GTR kept up and beat the GT2, the Zonda and other true supercars around a high speed track like the Nurburgring. This brings up the question of whether the Nurburgring GTR was truly a Nissan provided ringer - as concluded by Steve Sutcliffe, Alain Prost, Porsche etc.
I hope Nissan doesn't try to run there V-spec in place of the regular GT-R , then say to the world, see we told you that our GT-R could run a sun 7:2X time.
10-29-2008, 07:38 AM
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What is strange is that other motor journalists have praised the GTR handling and here it is "understeering like a pig". Obviously different drivers have different preferences but still.
10-29-2008, 08:02 AM
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I was going to bring out this point to, but glad you did it first. Yes , from hear say, the word on the internet is that Nissan cheated and that ring time is false. I heard Nissan suppose to do another run in the spring time or possibly before hand to shut everybody up, but will see.....
I hope Nissan doesn't try to run there V-spec in place of the regular GT-R , then say to the world, see we told you that our GT-R could run a sun 7:2X time.
I hope Nissan doesn't try to run there V-spec in place of the regular GT-R , then say to the world, see we told you that our GT-R could run a sun 7:2X time.
Yeah they will do another run next spring, just to **** everyone off. but in the mean time ...
Porsche got pwned and speechless.
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10-29-2008, 11:35 AM
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So now the GTR is outclassed? When it first came out the GTR kept up and beat the GT2, the Zonda and other true supercars around a high speed track like the Nurburgring. This brings up the question of whether the Nurburgring GTR was truly a Nissan provided ringer - as concluded by Steve Sutcliffe, Alain Prost, Porsche etc.
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I was going to bring out this point to, but glad you did it first. Yes , from hear say, the word on the internet is that Nissan cheated and that ring time is false. I heard Nissan suppose to do another run in the spring time or possibly before hand to shut everybody up, but will see.....
I hope Nissan doesn't try to run there V-spec in place of the regular GT-R , then say to the world, see we told you that our GT-R could run a sun 7:2X time.
I hope Nissan doesn't try to run there V-spec in place of the regular GT-R , then say to the world, see we told you that our GT-R could run a sun 7:2X time.
anywho, the ZR-1 is better than the GT-R. Good for chevy. But lets not forget the Z06 is the vette thats in the GT-R's price and performance range. If the ZR-1 came out slower than the GT-R, then Chevy might as well just can the whole corvette line. Im loving the ZR-1
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10-29-2008, 12:53 PM
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GT-R got beaten by ZR-1 but not by a lot. 7:22 is a pretty fast time. but GT-R was de-tuned from factory cuz the tranny have a problem handling 650+ hp so ...
a simple exhaust swap on GT-R can get you 15-20 whp ...
ZR1 is NOT in the same class as GT-R, Z06 should be. but I guess it doesnt matter right? GT-R can beat lots of cars thats like 2 even 3 times the cost
when Spec-V comes out ... couple hundred pounds lighter with better suspension and higher hp and other stuff ... oh oh ....
a simple exhaust swap on GT-R can get you 15-20 whp ...
ZR1 is NOT in the same class as GT-R, Z06 should be. but I guess it doesnt matter right? GT-R can beat lots of cars thats like 2 even 3 times the cost
when Spec-V comes out ... couple hundred pounds lighter with better suspension and higher hp and other stuff ... oh oh ....
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10-29-2008, 01:37 PM
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only real problem I have with GTR is that to get them to put those kinds of numbers that you see in the magazine you need to turn the VDC off, which under the GTR's owner manual voids your warranty. I just don't get why turning something off that the car lets you do from the factory should void your warranty. I dunno to me that just seems a little sketchy.
10-29-2008, 01:41 PM
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GT-R got beaten by ZR-1 but not by a lot. 7:22 is a pretty fast time. but GT-R was de-tuned from factory cuz the tranny have a problem handling 650+ hp so ...
a simple exhaust swap on GT-R can get you 15-20 whp ...
ZR1 is NOT in the same class as GT-R, Z06 should be. but I guess it doesnt matter right? GT-R can beat lots of cars thats like 2 even 3 times the cost
when Spec-V comes out ... couple hundred pounds lighter with better suspension and higher hp and other stuff ... oh oh ....
a simple exhaust swap on GT-R can get you 15-20 whp ...
ZR1 is NOT in the same class as GT-R, Z06 should be. but I guess it doesnt matter right? GT-R can beat lots of cars thats like 2 even 3 times the cost
when Spec-V comes out ... couple hundred pounds lighter with better suspension and higher hp and other stuff ... oh oh ....
The only thing flaw I see in the GT-R is that launch control, you know some drivers are going to mess up the procedure at a stop light drag race against "car x". Thats would be a embarresing site to see none the less....
Do we have a exact 0-60 time as of yet of the GT-R without using its launch control ? My guess...mid 4 sec 0-60's.
10-29-2008, 01:42 PM
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what's VDC
10-29-2008, 01:52 PM
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I believe it is the dynamic stability control. On a GTR it does much more than it does on your typical nissan though since it is such a complex car. It is disabled when you put the car in "launch mode" and with the little data logger in the GTR they most certainly can tell when you turn it off.