I bought my "HP" 4.0 kit from these scam artists last year during their sale. I went with their kit because it would be ready to ship as soon as payment was received!!!

I paid and it was not shipped. Their excuse was that I paid for the ball bearing option and it took them longer to get the turbo in.....ok I can see that.

When I took my kit to my shop to have it installed, quite a few parts were missing! The fuel pump, and injectors were the big ticket items! So after a few week of trying to get ahold of someone (aka Chris) I finally recieved what I though was the upgraded fuel pump....no, a cheap China knockoff. We trouble shot for weeks before finding the problem. A replacement from Summit sports was sent, and the crap knockoff was on its way back to Esmeril.

Well after many delays and getting my money and time taken away by MM with my cobb tuning, I switched to the Adaptronic ECU that Elliot @ Turblown is selling! Great Unit and a great guy to deal with BTW.

I sent the car to Chip @ Chips Motorsports after reading a good couple reviews of his work and helpfulness on the forums. He has been hard at work getting the new ECU tuned for the kit & car.

I got a disturbing phone call from him tonight asking about the wastegate and if it was truly a Tial unit. I said that was included with the kit and sent him the link to the web site. He pulled the serial number off and contacted Tial (which is a local Michigan company also) and found out it is also a F*CKing knockoff and has created a whole new set of issues for us.

After paying over $6k for this kit, Im ready to bust some f*cking heads! I will badmouth this company until the day I die. DON'T BUY THEIR KITS!!!!

 

Damn that's pretty bad, sorry to hear about this happening. I wonder what their response will be. Good luck man.

 

Dude I'm sorry this happened to you, this is pretty lame. I do appreciate you informing the RX8 community about this, I was actually considering that for some time but now I know to leave that thing alone.

 

This sucks
Sorry about your luck

 

A picture of the fake unit will be posted by Chip or myself. I'm heading to have a minor surgery done at the VA hospital. Chip is removing it now & a REAL tial wastegate cost me an additional $400 lastnight.

 

Thanks...when are you coming home again???

 

This sucks, but I do recall post from years ago stating that their stuff was cheap Chinese knock offs. I think that was the turbos though. It sucks that some vendors suck so bad but the writing was on the wall considering how absent Esmeril has been. I'm sure Chris will have some BS excuse about how he didn't know the stuff was knock off ****.

 

Karma...it'll get him soon enough.

 

PM sent...

Chris

 

Why not make it public? What are you trying to hide?

 

He probably doesn't feel like he owes us schmucks any explanation Which I guess he really doesn't. But since you own a kit maybe he does.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Tial-MVR...35b7c2&vxp=mtr

This is what the WG looked like when I got my kit last year. Im trying to work this out with Chris, but I already bought a legit WG from TH Motorsports.....Chip should have it tomorrow.

 

If that is a fake then you should report it. I try an report fake Ebay items when I see them. It sucks you have had to buck out for so much extra **** on this build.

 

Thanks for the update..

Sucks that I can't trust vendors on the forums.

BHR has been pretty great though.

 

There are a couple, but most are full of **** in one way or another. BHR is on another level from most of the other vendors.

 

so sad but we were warned.

 

Oh....I just found another thread with my issues.....check this out.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...eril+wastegate

 

First Message from Chris:
Hello Erik,

I just saw your thread about Esmeril Racing. It is very unfortunate. We have never knowingly shipped fake Tial wastegates with any of our kits. We aknowledge that when we first launched our turbo kit we were using knock off components but we never claimed that they were genuine ones. When we decided to improve on the HP kit we began by sourcing all brand components, the injectors are from RC Engineering, the turbo from Precision, the fuel pump from Aeromotive and the Wastegate from Tial. We have a few wastegates in stock and I would be happy to post serial numbers for those. If they are fake then we might have to take some legal action against our distributor because we paid for Tial stuff. The only non-brand item we include in our kit is the BOV and we do not claim its a Tial unit nor does it say it is on itself. If you got a replica Tial wastegate then we got fooled as much as you did and I would like to pursue the mater further. In the meanwhile we would be happy to get you a replacement Tial straight from the Tial Factory dropshipped to you.

I apologize for this inconvenience.

Best regards,

Chris

----------------------------------------------
My response:

Chris,

It is unfortunate....here is a link to Tial's support page. I'd call on any units you have laying around still.

http://tialsport.com/realvsfake.html

I already purchased a new unit from TH Motorsports out of IL. They are another vendor here on the forums. I paid for 2 day shipping so I should have it tomorrow.

I'm waiting on Chip to post the picture with the SN on it. Since I already have a new one coming, I can send you the invoice and just refund me on the item once you see it truly isnt real.

Copy of reciept:
http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q...invoicethm.jpg

-Erik


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Latest from Chris:

Wow, I am baffled by that article. We never knew of that, it would've been great to know. I will work on your refund.

Best regards,

Chris

 

I believe he removed that kit and sold the car. I have no idea who he sold the kit to.

 

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...97&postcount=4

I really like the last few lines of this post too......

 

Burn.

 

I feel u Erik...

Good reply, straight to the point...


By the way, the link to the receipt is dead / missing...

 

Fixed.

 

sucks to hear and hopefully you get the issues resolved.

I see your kinda close to me, If you live around Detroit maybe we can meet up, I would like to check out the adaptronic unit and a different turbo set up.

 

Well I was just pm'd by Chris telling me the wastegate isn't 44mm like I thought, but the 38mm tial.....so another $315 and return shipping charges!